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And get this! The Jacobs family, who are from Buffalo and founded Delaware North, own the Boston Bruins! A Buffalo family owns a BOSTON sports team. @CaseyatBat

That guy is so lost lol. Same guy who couldn’t wrap his head around the fact that a state of emergency declared by the governor of New York, made the playoff game last year impossible to play as scheduled.

That no call on Shakir in the end zone was atrocious. He was grabbed out of his cut and then contact way before the ball arrived. There were two separate fouls on the play and not one was called.

Of all the QBs that have gotten the “Josh Allen comparison” , I felt like it actually made sense with Drake Maye. Talent, work ethic, personality… he feels a lot like a poor man’s Josh. If he was in the NFC, I’d root for the kid.

This is hysterical. What football were you playing? Let’s go back 15 years, check this article out… “It’s a loose football,” Seattle defensive tackle Craig Terrill said. “It’s the most valuable thing in the NFL. So you go after it.” It’s not like trying to find a needle in a haystack so much as it’s trying to endure reaching into a haystack full of needles. What happens in a football pile isn’t exactly dinner-table conversation. “You’ve got eye-poking,” defensive back Kennard Cox said. “You’ve got mouth-grabbing. You’ve got hand-bending. Anything to get the ball.” https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/when-nfl-players-dive-for-a-loose-ball-what-happens-in-the-pile-stays-in-the-pile/ Not good enough, alright, I’ll go back to check with Fred Smerlas who played football for the Bills in the 80s and in the NFL into the 90s Inside the pile, you kept your eyes closed, like a feeding shark, to guard against knifing hands that were trying to maim and blind, yank and punch scrotums, and dislocate fingers. The football changed hands often and ruthlessly. Late-comers dove into the jumble with their helmets first, heat-seeking missiles looking to break or dislodge anything in their way — the ball, even teeth. You couldn’t even trust your own teammates because in the heat of the scrum, it was often impossible to determine friend from foe. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/12/12/21005035/fumble-pile-violence-nfl-stories I’m going back DECADES for you, just to cover all bases.

Huh?

If MVP voters want to contradict themselves after how they voted last year, that’s their prerogative. Lamar had 29 total TD last year to Josh’s 44. Josh also had like 500 more yards of total offense. Lamar won because his team was the higher seed, and his stats were good enough, plain and simple. The Ravens might not even win their division this year, their signature win so far is against Buffalo over 10 weeks ago. Unless Josh absolutely implodes down the stretch, they’ll be completely contradicting themselves.

He has never legitimately advocated for targeting kneecaps. He used “biting kneecaps” as a metaphor in his first press conference - it was hilarious. As for the fingers and whatnot in the scrum, welcome to football. I am sure our players do it too, along with 30 other teams. Let’s not make things up here.

Well, considering we weren’t punting, we had 9 players on the field not including the punter.

It’s never too early? You literally said you waited after last week, clearly you felt it was too early then 😂

You’re just conveniently forgetting the absolute ***** Josh Allen gave him in 2021?

You’re the king of starting threads WAY too early. He hasn’t played in 2 years, do you really think 2 weeks is enough of a sample size to make the determination “rusty or washed” ? 🤦🏻

What ST only guys do we have? Outside of K, P and LS?

That was nearly 10 years (or more) ago. How did he look against the last elite QB he faced in the playoffs?

Yeah, totally fair. Let’s just apply the same logic to all of the success too, not just the failures…

You disagreed with me, then walked through the logic and agreed with me? They weren’t in comfortable FG range to begin with, they were likely going for it on 4th and 7 because taking that risk to go up 6 wasn’t going to make a difference. You back them up to 3rd and 17 and you’re playing the odds that that play results in a small gain, or possibly even no gain. Now they have to punt because going for it isn’t an option.

That’s fair, and I totally agree. It was a mistake and one that essentially ended the game. That being said, we also have to recognize that he was playing the odds when he accepted the holding penalty to force a 3rd and 17.

@GunnerBill already answered this nicely below, the biggest piece is providing the correct environment for the player to develop. I am going to speak from personal experience here, different sport, but at the highest level: The key stakeholders (GM, Head Coach, AGM, etc.) are all VERY aware of what is happening with their priority players Not only are they very aware, but they're HEAVILY involved with designing and monitoring the development plan for each player More often than not, they delegate those responsibilities to other coaches and staff members, because it would be unrealistic to expect the key stakeholders to be hands on daily with every priority player, even if it's the most important player Truthfully, players tend to grow quite tired of being monitored by the "key stakeholders" and prefer to have a relationship with their position coach, who is then directly responsible for communicating every detail back up the chain. My longwinded point being, Matt LaFleur was undoubtedly handling the development of Jordan Love the same way McDermott did. I actually have proof that LaFleur was handling Jordan Love's development the exact same way. They specifically brought back Tom Clements at the QB coach, who Aaron Rodgers cited a major part of his development, in order to work with Jordan Love. HC Matt LaFleur says Jordan Love has made ‘huge strides,’ credits Packers QB coach Tom Clements There are still question marks over the young quarterback's ability to fill the shoes of the four-time MVP, but as long as the Packers have quarterbacks coach Tom Clements, head coach Matt LaFleur knows that Love will continue to improve. "Just watching him last year. I think Jordan's made some huge strides," LeFleur told reporters Saturday. "I really do and I think a lot of it is a credit to Tom, and just, he knows how to train these guys. He knows how to drill them and he's very, very consistent. He doesn't sugarcoat anything. He just is matter of fact and I think there's no doubt." So, if you're giving LaFleur credit, McDermott is getting it too. Don't be fooled by their background on one side of the ball or the other. Contrast all of this with Kyle Shanahan who gave up on his hand-selected QB after 4 games because he didn't have the patience to create the correct environment and carry out a plan to develop him.

They’re giving LaFleur credit for developing Jordan Love, but somehow developing Josh Allen happened independent of Sean McDermott? Make it make sense.

Many here would absolutely love to can McDermott and bring in Sean Payton.

Thanks for fixing it. What is Shanahan's record when his QB has a QBR below 65?

You've been pounding this stat the entire thread. He has not been above that threshold in every season he has played. Josh had a sub 50 QBR in 2018 and the Bills went 6-10. (Bills were 5-6 when he started) Josh had a sub 50 QBR in 2019 and the Bills went 10-6. *Bonus* Tyrod Taylor had a sub 60 QBR in 2017 and the Bills went 9-7. So the Bills are 2 games above .500 in the McDermott era when they have below 65+ QBR seasons. Two winning seasons with a QBR below that threshold.

This is still one of my main issues, what is the objective achievement that we're celebrating? If it's winning a Super Bowl, well then, you're saying 31 other teams are automatically failures every year. If it's getting to a Super Bowl, well then that seems odd, because commentary upthread was he's only a "good coach" if he never wins a Super Bowl. Your point boils down to the fact that you believe people cannot improve or improve significantly enough to make a difference. You must have loved Josh Allen on draft day... should I check the receipts?

Yeah, that’s kind of the point. They’re being revered for all of the talent they’ve assembled, but yet they’re on their way to missing the playoffs in 4/8 seasons. They made the decision to trade for Jimmy G and make him the highest paid QB at the time. It’s easy to say in retrospect to say he limited them, but they hitched their wagon to him thinking he was going to take them to the promise land. They made the decision to give up 3 first round picks to select Trey Lance, only to give up on developing him after 4 starts. These decisions are an indictment on them, and a pretty big ones at that. But who cares about context, forces you to think.

Would you take Sean Payton over Sean McDermott?