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You’re still ignoring him being a TOP 10-15 PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS!!!!!! Only 3 guys selected after him have provided more value to their teams, and the Bills drafted one of them! How is that a reach? There were literally only 3 other choices drafted in the 220(ish) picks taken after him that could have been better value than Rousseau.

Huh? You don’t care who was drafted around him, those were the options at the position. The draft isn’t a free market, it’s dictated by the talent available. That being said you not pay attention to the fact he’s been one of the top 10-15 players IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS?! That’s undoubtedly worth a first round pick.

So would you have preferred Odafe Oweh or Joe Tryon-Shoyinka? It’s not pedestrian for a late 1st round pick, if we took Rousseau at 1.5, sure you may have a case. We took him at 1.30 and he’s outplayed his classmates league wide. He’s one of the top 10-15 players in that entire draft class, and only 3 of those players went AFTER him. Including our own Spencer Brown.

Brother, I don’t think you have a coherent point. You shifted from “bottom feeding teams” leapfrogging us to this point about GMs building Super Bowl contenders. The NFC teams don’t have to compete with KC every year to get to the Super Bowl, you know, the game that KC has played in 4/5 past seasons. We do not have a team building issue, we have a KC issue, like 30 other teams. If you’re going to start down the draft success road… I’ll pull out some objective data that just absolutely blows your mind. Beane drafts as good as anyone in the league, outside of maybe John Lynch and Eric DeCosta. P.S. How in the ***** are you trying to lump Rousseau in as a bust? Rousseau has been plenty productive, look at the other DE taken around him in 2021. Payton Turner Odafe Oweh (Eric DeCosta!) Joe Tryon-Shoyinka

What bottom feeder teams are jumping us and winning Super Bowls? Here are the Super Bowl matchups since Josh broke out in 2020... Tampa Bay/Kansas City (2020) Los Angeles/Cincinnati (2021) Philadelphia/Kansas City (2022) San Francisco/Kansas City (2023) Oh, and for good measure the Super Bowl in 2019 was San Francisco/Kansas City... so who are these bottom feeder teams leaping us? If you want to point to the NFC teams, your argument is just dumb, we don't play in the NFC. If you want to point to the Bengals, considering they're the only team outside of KC to make a Super Bowl, then your definition of "bottom feeder" is ridiculous.

The announcers were literally quoting the Steelers DC saying that they were going to key in on Derrick Henry and let Lamar Jackson beat them. It’s hysterical that they were saying that out of one side of their mouth, and then selling us on Lamar Jackson as MVP out of the other side.

Jacksonville is great situation if they move on from Baalke, which it seems like they’re willing to do for Ben Johnson. If Ben Johnson gets to be paired with his desired candidate (rumored to be Lance Newmark) then that checks off the GM box. The Khan family has shown a tremendous amount of patience with previous coaches like Gus Bradley, Doug Marrone and Doug Pederson. They even seemed reluctant to move on from Urban Meyer until he was accused of physically abusing a player. They’re also more than willing to spend money. This is more than enough to check off the ownership box, especially if they go get him his desired GM. Then you have Trevor Lawrence who has proven to be inconsistent, but has had flashes of high level play. Doesn’t seem all that different than Goff when he got to Detroit? Now Johnson gets to play around with an offense that features talent like Etienne, Bigsby, Thomas, Kirk, Davis and Engram? Not to mention the 5th pick in the draft. Can you not see him crafting something similar to Detroit? They have $35M in cap space and only 2 starters slated to hit free agency (Scherff and Cisco). It has the makings of a wonderful situation in an incredibly weak division. He’d have a chance to take the AFC South in year 1.

It’s clicking…

Absolutely, but it’s really hard if you land in a situation with bad ownership, bad GM or bad QB. Most situations you don’t even have 2/3. You will not even get the opportunity to install a program because you’ll be fired after 2-3 years because people get impatient Being selective like Ben Johnson has been is the best thing you can do for yourself.

I think he does… look for Darnold to go to LA and replace him too…

When it’s all clicking, I think the Rams are the best team in the NFC…

Agree it’s ironic, because it was on a no-call. Although, based on Josh’s smirk, I don’t think that was the actual conversation. He was protecting Vinovich there… he quickly said “I’m not going to comment on that” after his initial comment.

Mack owes me a game ball for the two times he stepped over a guy like a dipshit. I love Mack, but those are costly.

Right, that’s the whole point.

Umm, well before the 2021, 2022 and 2023 seasons this group of people (via The Athletic) had him in Tier 1 along with Josh Allen. The 2023 Quarterback Tiers results are here, complete with commentary from the 50 NFL coaches and executives who were granted anonymity to share unvarnished evaluations. This year, the 50 league insiders who placed 30 veteran quarterbacks into tiers included eight general managers, 10 head coaches, 15 coordinators, 10 executives, four quarterbacks coaches and three involved in coaching/analytics. A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game. He was very clearly awarded elite company by those in the NFL.

Brother, I run circles around you every time we go back and forth. Don’t question my NFL knowledge.

It’s who they should have hired last year. Lucky for them, he was available this year. He makes them a serious program, but was marred by personnel issues with Tennessee and I think the same thing happens here in New England.

Excuses have been made for Herbert his entire career. First it was coaching and now it’s the supporting cast. It was Anthony Lynn’s fault his rookie season with an amazing supporting cast. Then he had wünderkid Brandon Staley who was the apple of the media’s with his absurd decision making. Now he has Harbaugh who everyone loves, and the excuse is that the weapons aren’t good enough. Herbert is who he is.

Lol he hasn’t he starved of weapons his entire career. Not to mentioned very high draft picks recently on Quentin Johnson and Ladd McConkey. Keenan Allen Mike Williams Austin Ekeler Hunter Henry Jared Cook Gerald Everett He walked into as good of a situation as anyone outside of Mahomes the last 15 years.

They looked weak outside the numbers, not our strong suit, but we didn’t have Amari the first time around. He was acquired for that reason.

If we beat Denver today, I’m somewhat pessimistic playing Baltimore. That being said, I think we have 3 things going in our favor. 1) Sean McDermott usually does a good job making adjustments when facing a team a 2nd time in a season. 2) Josh Allen in the playoffs is DIFFERENT. Absolutely zero chance he plays as poorly as he did earlier this year. 3) Baltimore feels like they tend to stall out in the 2nd half. We tend to take off in the 2nd half. That game earlier in the season was awful, but late in the 3rd quarter we had a chance to make it a one score game before the trick play fumble.

Okay, but the knock was on drafting? You have 4 guys there that we seem pretty close to agreeing are right on the cusp of that tier. Find me 5 (adding Josh) other teams that have drafted 5 All-Pro caliber talents, over the past 7 seasons. Hell, make it 3 guys per team.

Idk man, you tell me… Surtain: 37 catches allowed on 52 targets (71%), 7 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 317 yards given up. Benford: 31 catches allowed on 51 targets (60%), 8 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 279 yards given up. @Mikie2times wait so you agree here, but shoot me down for suggesting Benford, Brown and Cook are elite level players? Could it be the media takes awhile to catch on like you agree with @GunnerBill here…

There are years that Josh Allen hasn’t been voted the best one or two at his position in the league… so what does that mean then? I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy, just quit clutching on to some writers voting on games they don’t even watch.

Tre White (2019) Stefan Diggs (2020) Jordan Poyer (2021) Matt Milano (2022) Three defenders, nobody in the same season and the only offensive player was in Josh Allen’s breakout season. None in the other four, 40 touchdown seasons.