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Gronk was never the #1 targeted player when the Patriots went to the Super Bowl. There were 1-2 players each year that got more targets from Brady than Gronk did. Edelman, White, Cooks, Evans and Godwin. Ertz was superseded by Alshon Jeffrey. Kelce and Hill were the target monsters for KCs first Super Bowl. This most recent one was the first time a TE was the primary option with Kelce in KC. Yes, people are expecting a shift in offensive philosophy with Kincaid now in the building. No, he’s not expected to be the #1 option, but rather the 1B to Diggs 1A… much like all of the other examples above.

Mahomes and Brady didn’t benefit from Kelce and Gronkowski?

83/127 wasn’t great, wasn’t a complete disaster. He wasn’t too far behind Fletcher Cox and Daron Payne. He was actually above Dre’Mont Jones who got a big pay day. Wasn’t he scuffed up a bit during the year too? Calf?

The fact someone is trying to claim a professional sports GM just mailed in the draft is ***** stupid. I mean seriously, the guy just woke up on day 3 of the draft and said “I’m in this competitive industry where every inch counts and every move is scrutinized. TIME TO MAIL IT IN!”

I think if Doyle is healthy he makes the roster easily. He showed some positive flashes before injury.

I guess some of these guys aren’t playing MIKE in the NFL either?

I think we may carry a 7th WR as opposed to a 4th RB like we have in the past. Someone like Shavers as WR7 as opposed to Taiwan Jones as RB4. Allen/Allen (2) Cook/Harris/Hines (3) Gilliam (1) Diggs/Davis/Shakir/Harty/Sherfield/Shorter/Shavers (7) Knox/Kincaid/Morris (3) Dawkins/Brown/Morse/Bates/McGovern/Torrence/ Edwards/Doyle (8) Rousseau/Basham/Lawson/Epenesa/Miller (5) Jones/Oliver/Settle/Phillips (4) Milano/Bernard/Williams/Dodson/Matakevich (5) White/Elam/Benford/Johnson/Jackson/Neal (6) Hyde/Poyer/Rapp/Hamlin (4) Martin/Bass/Ferguson (3) That’s 51/53 It would leave the following guys competing for the last 2 spots (3 with Von likely starting on the PUP). Broeker, Quessenberry, Boettger (OL) Jonathan/Ankou/Bryant (DL) Klein/Spector (LB) Austin/Lewis (DB)

Any breakdown of his ability to play football or we’re just conflating RAS with value? They also play different positions…

You’re ignoring the fact that Anthony Richardson has MAJOR issues as a passer. He is a guy who struggled to consistently throw the football for reasons very clearly not attributed to his receivers. You can make a logical argument that Shorter was actually hurt by the fact Richardson is an inconsistent and unpolished passer. He ranked 95th in catchable rate (79.8%) and 106th in on-target rate (65.4%) among 114 FBS quarterbacks who attempted at least 200 passes last year. Richardson’s improvements are centered around his accuracy. While Richardson has a strong arm, ball placement and location are a couple key elements that Richardson appears to be inconsistent with. It appears Richardson’s accuracy comes from his mechanics. When he can operate correctly mechanically, everything looks good. When he doesn’t quite execute proper mechanics, it leads to missed throws, incompletions, tipped throws, or interceptions.

What’s your standard for his “QB to find him” ? Looking at just raw stats, Florida’s leading receiver was Ricky Pearsall (33/661/5). Their second leading receiver was Justin Shorter (29/577/2). Their third leading receiver is as Xzavier Henderson (38/410/2). Pearsall played in 13 games for Florida, Shorter played in 9 games and Henderson played in 11. Per Game: PEARSALL 2.5 REC / 51 YDS / 0.38 TD SHORTER 3.2 REC / 64 YDS / 0.22 TD HENDERSON 3.4 REC / 37 YDS / 0.18 TD Mind you, Florida was 10/14 in the SEC in passing attempts in 2022. Sure, Richardson was a 1st round pick, but it’s not like there was an abundance of opportunity to catch the football. He was 20th in receiving in the SEC as part of an offense that was towards the back half in passing.

That’s not the issue Gunner. I don’t feel strongly about Iosivas or Shorter. He can have whatever opinion he wants. It’s the inconsistent standard as to which he’s holding players to prove his point. TLDR on his views upthread: Kincaid ain’t as good as Mayer because Kincaid didn’t make an impact against Florida (SEC School). Shorter isn’t as good as Iosivas because Iosivas had more yards, receptions and TDs… but doesn’t adjust for the fact that Shorter played in the SEC.

Since I know you’re just looking at volume statistics for Iosivas and Shorter, going to point out things on per receiving snap and per target basis. Iosivas 64 Receptions 85 Targets 924 Yards 7 TD Shorter 29 Receptions 51 Targets 577 Yards 2 TDs Iosivas played in 10 games, was on the field for 358 snaps and was targeted 85 times… roughly 24% of the time. Shorter played in 9 games, was on the field for 247 snaps and was targeted 51 times… roughly 21% of the time. On a per snap basis, they were pretty damn close and Shorter played against SEC defenses… which was your own standard you put in place up thread. You’re also missing the fact that despite Anthony Richardson being a high pick, he’s a project and one of the biggest knocks is his ball placement and accuracy… which made Shorter’s job even tougher against SEC defenses. FWIW the Princeton QB was the best QB in the Ivy League… so relative to his peers (you standard not mine) he was the best.

Now we’re talking about practice?! You specifically referred to how he “played in the Senior Bowl, and still separated enough against high end talent.” Now I’m supposed to believe that separation against DBs in PRACTICE carries more weight than in-game performances against Georgia, LSU and Tennessee?

Ah yes, his wonderful Senior Bowl performance. 1 carry for -1 yards and 0 catches for 0 yards.

If Andrei Iosivas has never separated against SEC secondaries, what makes you think he will be able to separate enough against NFL secondaries? It’s not like the man played in another Power 5 conference. I know, I know… Stetson, Lehigh, Columbia, Lafayette, Brown, Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale and Penn are likely a tougher defensive opponent than teams that Shorter played this year like #33 defense Tennessee (7/155), #1 defense Georgia (3/66) and #17 defense LSU (3/71/1).

I thought he was an All-Pro QB?

Yeah, against Ivy League schools. Your point about measuring against SEC competition is fine, you’re just manipulating when it’s applicable or not. Why are you referring to Anthony Richardson as an All-Pro QB? That’s an honor given out in the NFL. He’s never played a snap in the NFL. He wasn’t even All-SEC You’re moving the goalposts so much that you’re contradicting yourself and throwing around terms that don’t even apply to the conversation at hand.

And then simultaneously you’re in other threads advocating for the WR from Princeton, who played football powerhouses like Cornell over Justin Shorter who played in the SEC. Which one is it?

Do you expect 7th rounders to start in the NFL?

That’s like saying you don’t trust our talent scouting at QB because they took Jake Fromm.

No, that doesn’t make any sense. He was a 7th round pick.

Spector was a 7th round pick…?

Hahaha the fact that you’re lumping yourself in with Pete Prisco like it means something is hysterical It’s also “bet against Prisco and me”😂

The irony in this statement is hysterical. You don’t. You continue to remind people that you like Hall and Woolen.

Holy moly. It’s to be the year 2050 and you’re going to be telling your grand kids about the time you posted on a message board about Breece Hall and Tariq Woolen. Give it a rest.