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No. In my opinion you've got to stop looking at players for only their play on the field. We have used this model in the past. What we have now is a coach trying to build a team, and you don't do that just because a high talent player is available. You need to look at these guys from every aspect of the job, not just production on the field. Their production is only a fraction of what they are being paid for. You need to look at lockeroom, filmroom, off the field, contract, and on the field production. There a reason the trade market for these players isn't yielding high picks right now, and there is also a reason they are available in the first place. They may be good players but moves like this need to be weighed on a risk/reward scale using all of the above elements.

I have to be honest. I've never liked this argument, because its a prediction, you honestly cant know. What I mean by this is those players have only played in one offense in college. Rosen and Darnold may have taken more snaps under center, however NFL offenses have moved away from that strictly pro style offense anyways. We will see what happens, and I respect your opinion, but to me Mayfield is the best quarterback in the draft. From a purely statistical and size stand point I can see the Keenum comparison, but Mayfield had a much higher win percentage. And not for nothing I would have taken Keenum this year.

As we get closer and closer to the draft I have no doubt there will be more talk about Baker in the top five. With both Parcells and Savage consulting the Browns on quarterbacks I think he will be the target for them at #4, and if the Bills want him they better move up to #2 or #3. The kid is the alpha of this years class. Rosen may be the most polished passer, but give my Mayfield everyday of the week.

I think the Giants just got a 4th round compensatory pick. Talk about giving up very little for a good player.

I dont know how to feel about Foles. He has done ok taking care of the ball over the last two years, but I feel like if you give up a 1st or 2nd for a player they should probably be your guy for the next two or three years and I am not sure he can be that. I'd prefer to draft someone but I know a lot of the people I talk to about the Bills really like the Foles idea.

Yes, my mind would be blown. I have spent the entire last year of my life thinking they got that extra first to try and move up for someone in this years draft. Given the manner in which these guys work I have every expectation that they are always way ahead in their thought process.

They arent spending tons of time with guys like Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold if their intent is to stay at 21. My mind would be blown if they dont trade up. Guys like Beane and McDermott, who are intentional about everything they do, have to know they will be out the door in three years if they don't fix the QB situation as soon as possible. Waiting until next year would be a horrible choice.

.75 ints a game isnt good, I dont care how you slice it. Youd also be correct on the Rosen thing, he threw too many for a high first round pick too. Rosen also had way too many balls batted at the line for a 6'4 qb

Will never understand what it is about Lamar Jackson that gets people here so hot and bothered. Not a winner, not accurate, and has turnover issues. His highlight reel looks great but his tape is terrible. Dont get it and feel like he shouldnt be touched before the 2nd round. Think he would be a massive mistake.

I think the Petty comparisons are off. Rudolph has a season more of starts under his belt and was more productive. Id love to have Rudolph, checks all the boxes just hasnt been as tauted by the media as the other five guys. One of only two guys in the top 5 or 6 that meets the Parcells critera. Very impressive Manning like interview there.

Technically we wont know if he is or isnt a 1st round pick until April 26th. You dont know and I dont know, just different opinions. But I think working someone out at a position they have never played, in favor of a position they have played their entire career says a lot about how a team views that player. I dont imagine teams will be working out Minkah Fitzaptrick at quaterback just to get a feel, but again just my opinion.

I think he should get a chance too. But, I think this should also speak volumes to the people who think he is a 1st Round Prospect at quarterback.

He probably thinks that because its a pretty mighty trend for highly mobile quarterbacks to come into the league like they are the 2nd coming only to flame out after the 1st few years. RG3, Kaep, Vince Young to some extent Vick. Everyone is allowd their opinion but I seriously dont get the Lamar Jackson love on this board. I dont see it. Doesnt mean I am right, but I truly dont see it.

A few things. There is literally no comparison between Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson. Cam still has the same issues he had in college but he is so physically imposing he can make up for it. Jackson cant. Secondly, there is no comparison between Jackson and Deshaun Watson. Watson was a high completion, high winning percentage quarterback who was already showing great touch on NFL throws. Jackson again is not that. If you actually watch the games, throw by throw, Jackson misses high a ton, makes bad decisons and has happy feet. He is amazingly athletic with a huge arm, but he is closer to Vince Young than Cam Newton. He seems like an intelligent young man so maybe he has a better chance than rock for brains. If he is the choice fine, but stop putting him in the conversation with Rosen and Mayfield. Also for anyone making this about race, stop its ignorant and proliferates a terrible message.

Heard Lorenzo Alexander talking about him on the John Murphy show a few weeks back. Said he has great physical ability, but lacks in studying area. I believe they were comparing him with Preston Brown, and Lorenzo basically said you prefer to have someone like Preston who may lack a bit in speed but makes up for it with his study habits and being two steps ahead of everyone else mentally. Went on to say you dont necessarily get that from Zach.

I am not arguing that. My point is if you're going to pay someone to run fast in an attempt to draw coverage you can do it for a lot cheaper than 10 million a year. Nope, just forgot to add the 1 in front of the seven, apparently just poor at math. But my point is I dont think he is worth the money, especially for the Bills.

If you want to sign up for a wideout who makes up 13% of your salary cap for 10% of your offense, be my guest. I just think its nonsensical.

If you showed up to work 81% of the time would you keep your job?

Chiefs probably understand cornerbacks dont win games for them. And this guy, even though he can cover, cant tackle worth a darn and is a complete and utter head case. They traded away a guy who they may have only had for another year for one or more players they will have for four. They picked up a couple cornerbacks, he was expendable.

I 100% agree with what you're saying. Watkins still is incredibly young and I think he is very talented. But my point here, without using statistics is that generally you're paying a 24 or 25 year old wideout a rookie contract while their talent is coming to fruition on the field and they mature as a worker and person off the field. Again Watkins is talented, but I wouldnt be willing to pay him a free agent contract in the hope he becomes the wideout his talent suggests he may be. This franchise has already spent way too much on him waiting for him to develop, I dont want to add tens of millions of dollars to our first mistake.

You fail to mention Eric had started 28 games by the time he was 25 compared to the 52 for Sammy. Eric wasnt on the field for most of his first two seasons. Secondly I never said Sammy wasn't a talented player. That route he put on Revis during his secons year here is still one of my favorites ever. But talent without production doesnt mean jack.

The guy is about to be on his third team in five years. Has played a full season once Has never hit double digit touchdowns Has went over a thousand yards once and we are still wondering if he is a legit number one why? He was a horrible mistake that set the franchise back. No clue why anyone would be waiting in line to bring him back here.

Its rare for a QB of any size to "make it." I would also argue that Mayfield is better in every statistical category than Daniels, who you're making a comparison to strictly based on height. Most glaringly Daniels threw a very high rate of Interceptions, this wasnt the case for Mayfield.

Wentz has seemed to turn out great, but I think we should let this play out a bit before we make him the standard. Granted he had a great year, but it ended just like his last year of college did, with injury. Three years from now we may be talking about him as someone who couldnt stay on the field. His tape was a lot of fun to watch but there were major questions on the guy, specifically he had one full year of starting and while he was a winner he wasnt overly productive against FCS level competition. I agree there probably isn't a player who has all the tools Wentz has, but it's way too early to say none of the quarterbacks in this class wont be as productive as Wentz at the next level.

Disagree O'Leary has been a disappointment. He was a sixth round pick so the expectations shouldnt have been high to begin with, but I think he was more than adequate as a 2nd tight end last year.