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This is completely incorrect. To say their is no correlation to college stats and future NFL success is wrong. You wont find a lot of quarterbacks that have found big time success in the NFL who: Started less than 25 games in college Won less than 20 games in college Had a winning pct under 60% Had a comp % under 57% Threw for less than 200 yards/gm Threw for less than 1.5 Tds/Gm and threw more than 1.0 int/gm There are anomalies in every case, but to say it cant be used as some sort of predictor of future success I think is inaccurate. On the field play may trump stats, but in many cases you cant have one without the other.

I think you and I think alike here. Every bit of this is my current thinking. Except I think the giants draft Chubb.

I also doubt anyone here knows where, or when someone is going to be drafted. It is however nice to talk about these things and give opinions, kind of the point of a message board, or am I wrong?

I thought this was interesting so I did some research and came up with a few of my own. Including Mason Rudolph here as I think he is a legitimate late 1st to 2nd round prospect. Josh Allen Ceiling: Joe Flacco Floor: Drew Stanton Sam Darnold Ceiling: Matt Stafford Floor: Mark Sanchez Josh Rosen Ceiling: Jameis Winton Floor: Deshone Kizer Baker Mayfield Ceiling: Andy Dalton Floor: Brandon Weeden Mason Rudolph Ceiling: Matt Ryan Floor: Mike Glennon Lamar Jackson Ceiling: Tyrod Taylor Floor: RGIII

Not sure its going to take three 1sts, but its definitely going to take two firsts and two seconds. Still think they like Darnold more than Rosen, but to say they flat out dont like Rosen is probably hyperbole and a misnomer.

I like the idea of the comparisons. The only problem I am having here is your floor and ceilings are completely different type of players. There doesnt seem to be any congruency there. Specifically: Floor: Chad Pennington Ceiling: Philip Rivers They are two very different players.

If the Bills draft Allen I will do my best to be 100% behind the pick. However, I've had a really hard time understanding what anyone sees in him on tape. My biggest fear is that Allen is Christian Hackenberg. Similar size, and athleticism and almost the exact same completion % in college.

Came into this year thinking he'd be the #1 qb by years end. I think his stature and body of work is extremely impressive, however think he is more suited for a Air Coryell type offense. As an sude, the cadence of his voice in interviews is almost an exact match for Peyton Manning. Anyone else pick up on it?

Not as a rookie. Its takes several high level business meetings for that package.

No no Jackson is a slash type. Think the new Kordell Stewart. We use him at wr, rb, te, and sub package safety. Until he is ready to play qb of course and then we put him there and count the championships. Two years of being the slash like in Mike Mularkey's Pittsburgh offense and I have no doubt his inability to throw an accurate ball in a consistent manner will fix itself. Dont know why more teams dont draft athletes in the late first and let them bloom at other positions before making them a franchise qb.

I agree here, it most likely would have happened during rookie camp. However if I am an agent I probably tell my guy not to workout outside of their pro-day or the combine if they get an invite. At the very least, if it happens during training camp you have a signed contract with the teams insurance covering you.

I'd like to see how many bubble screens he threw out of play action.

I totally agree. It's one of those games where you feel a bit bad for the guy. If he drifted even the slightest bit left, or up into the pocket he was stepping into a sack. Looking back at last year I find it funny when people try to use the excuse he played against soft defenses. Georgia was by far the best but look what he did against TCU and Ohio State which were both highly, top 15 if memory serves correct. There are two throws from that TCU game which are just mind boggling. Back of the end zone to a tight end blanketed by a defender. Just beautiful throws.

Makes sense. I was just watching the "all the throws" footage of it a couple weeks ago and they looked completely stifled. I got the sense they were looking to go deep more often based on an inability to get the ball out quick.

The Georgia game was confounding. They used those quick passes to the running backs all year with a lot of success. Then all the sudden in the 2nd half of that game it seemed like they were desperate to hit the deep ball. They did nothing to make the defense stay honest and it was just an all out assault. It was like watching a totally different Sooners team.

Belichick is going to be 66 years old in a few days. If Brady plays two more years, that puts him at 68 before someone like Rosen gets a chance to start for them. I find it hard to believe a close to 70 year old man is worried about the long term future of a team he most likely wont be coaching. I am also not sure he wants them to be great after he leaves. Give this, I don't think he is going to burn draft capital to draft someone he may not coach as a starter.

Agreed. Someone needs to advise him not to give interviews about why he failed, but instead focus on why he is going to succeed. Bringing this stuff back up isn't going to help him now, and it isn't going to show he has left things in the past. Gotta choose, does he want to play football or does he want to write a book about why he isnt playing football. Cant have it both ways.

Notice they didn't have any luck in the Quarterback department until they drafted one? The bigger question is if draft picks outside of Quarterbacks are overrated?

Correct, but Seattle also sent a 4th in that trade.

I still think he goes #1 to Cleveland. However, to your point if you move to #2 it's for whoever you like most, who you also think the Jets covet. In this case I'd say thats Rosen.

The highest their two first rounders get them is 7. Licht from Tampa has some ties to New England, so who knows. But even in that scenario New England will have to play wait and see.

This. Let the overreactions begin. Tom Brady happens once in a lifetime

I think it will take more than Gronk and #31. The last two tight end trades worth talking about were Jimmy Graham to Seattle which fetched a very low #1 (31) and Greg Olsen to Carolina for a 3rd (173). That puts Gronk's value at the very highest as a low 1st. Considering the guy has dealt with injuries and was openly considering retirement, he is probably more of a 2nd round value right now. Who knows, I guess it could happen but the more likely trade is to Detroit or New Orleans for a low number #1.

Playing devil's advocate here. If any of the quarterbacks are left at #7, why would you give up picks to move up when the next five picks arent necessarily quarterback needy teams? The biggest threat at that point is Miami at #11 and I am not convinced they are as interested in taking a quarterback as they seem to be letting on in the press. And even if you do believe they want to draft one, why not trade to #9, or #10 instead?

I will be very happy if they get to five and stop. It will cost a whole hell of a lot to trade to #5 and then to trade again to #2. In theory, the three trades you'd make to get you from #21 to #2 would have cost you the following: From #21 to #12 Cordy Glenn and 1st #21 From #12 to #5 1st #12, 2nd #56, and 3rd #65 From #5 to #2 1st #5, 1st #22, and 3rd #96 And thats if they dont overpay on the value chart, which we all know is not likely.