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More yards and touchdowns than Elway, Moon, Fouts, Montana, Kelly, Aikman and Warner. More wins than Eli, Bradshaw, Aikman, Moon, Kelly, Stabler and Young. Lower interception percentage than both Mannings, Marino, Warner, and Favre. Rivers was a very good to great Quarterback, one of the best to ever play. Comparing him to FItzpatrick in anyway is asinine. He was bad this year, so was his team. I think he can give a team one to two more decent years while they groom a rookie.

The guy was coming off a year where he missed 8 games, had 28 catches for 430 yards and 2 touchdowns. He played one full season in three years and liked to mope. They were never going to pay him, he didnt want to be here, so why not get what you can from him? Also productive is a very odd term to use. He is the 8th most "productive" wideout from his own draft class after being picked fourth. Below is a list of where he has ranked in Receptions, Yards, and TDs since coming into the league. The guy has been in the top 20 in the statistical category twice in his entire career. I guess you could say he is "productive" for a number three or four wideout but the truth is Bills fans just like to completely ignore reality. Getting rid of him was a wise move. He wont be in KC next year unless he takes a massive pay cut. Sammy isnt some secretly amazing player that the Bills gave up for a bag of footballs. There were plenty of reasons to move on from Sammy Watkins and I am glad they did. Year Receptions Yards Touchdowns 2014 45th 24th 35th 2015 50th 22nd 17th 2016 163rd 112th 136th 2017 106th 69th 17th 2018 98th 88th 105th 2019 68th 56th 90th

They had a borderline number two wideout who got paid way more than he is worth. Can we close this thread already?

The same fair weathered posters saying Mahomes looked hurt and maybe wasnt very good around the 3rd quarter of thos game are now saying the Bills look like fools and the entire AFC may as well not bother playing games for the next 15 years. What a loser mentality. Thank God our coach and quarterback have a bit more of a backbone. Go Bills.

Every pick we have

True Fischer is getting owned

Without Manning

The cap was 188.2 million this year. It hasn't been explicitly communicated, but the NFL said on 12/11/2019, that they expected it to be between 196.8 and 201.2 Million, not 220 like you say here. That said the Bills have close to 25 million is rollover cap, so in essence you 220+ is correct. They have plenty of cap space, I never said they didnt. What I said is, after they extend the players already on the roster, and sign their own free agents, and keep a 10 million plus pool like Beane likes to do, they arent going to have the cap to spend on guys like Ngaekou, and Cooper. You guys can argue it all you want. And they can front load the contracts all they want, but eventually you have to pay the piper.

I've always given Goodell the benefit of the doubt and thought the shtick of fans booing him at the draft was annoying. However, his constant pushing to alter the game, and grow it outside of the US has gotten out of control. It completely ignores the well being of the players he pretends to care about (17 games, intense travel to different continents), and what the fans really want (better officiating, games you dont have to stay up until midnight to watch, a Super Bowl on Saturday). Everyone thinks CTE is going to be the end of football. What will really be the end of football is pushing it into markets that dont support it, while totally ripping off the ones that do. Keep Football in America, and stop trying to move it to Europe, South America, and Canada.

Its true. He also hadnt had a 100 yard game since then. Hes had one 1000 yard season in 2015 and never eclipsed 65 catches in a year. People want to believe he is a victim of circumstance, thing is when the circumstance changes and you get the same result maybe he just is what he is. We are in year six of this thing now, despite being paid well he is a low level number two wideout who produces more like a number three. He will be a cap casualty this offseason and from there who knows.

Not plus 90 million, you still have to pay the other players. Not scared for cap reasons Ive just been over through their yearly table time and time again and if you extend the players I originally said, even with cutting Kroft, Long, Yeldon and Murphy you still cant sign top level free agents and not have long term implications on who you can sign down the road. Unless you sign said free agents on two year deals. Thats an option I suppose.

Your last line for instance. I just get the sense the guy is an immature entitled fool who doesnt have much of a grip on reality. That said, he has done a great job getting paid like a #1 to produce like a #3.

Anyone who still goes to bat for this guy is an absolute fool.

Around the same time Hughes and Star are off the books for 19.5 million youll be paying Allen and Edmunda 52. If you add in Murphy for 9, Long for 4.5, Smith at 2.5, and Kroft at 6.5 thats 38.5 not counting any dead cap...deficit of 13.5 million. Alot of you are going to be gravely upset when they arent players on the 20 million dollar men.

The longer the days leading up to this game roll on the more I want the 49ers to win.

The more he opens his mouth the more I dislike him. The Bills stuck by him through a bunch of garbage while he was here. They kept him on after the cop stuff, after the girlfriend stuff and he is acting like we handcuffed him. I am sure other teams wanted him in 2018, and I am sure they were offering a conditional 7th round pick for a 30 year old guy who was averaging 3.2 yards a carry. I cant go back and look at the dead cap from 2018, but I would imagine they looked at what they would be getting back and it wasnt worth having to pay the dead cap. Going into 2019 the dead cap was much less, and rather than trade him to some crap team they cut him to give him the option to sign with whoever wanted him. Guess the Eagles didnt come calling. Rather than pay 9.5 million dollars for one guy who 979 yards in the last two years, they paid 2.75 for two guys who got them 1300 in one. He comes across like a bitter fool who doesnt realize its over. The chase for 12k isnt happening man.

I think the spotrac guy is dead one. I know people here think you can just move money around, and that works for a few years, but eventually it catches up with you. I dont think thats how Beane wants to do business.

I have little to no interest in RFAs until they are tendered. Dont want to give up money and picks, if we can just give up money on a similar or better player.

Honestly, Ill take someone who turns the ball over deep, essentially punting the ball, than someone who wont throw it because they are scared of it. The guy is one year removed from 32 touchdowns to 12 ints, and a 12-4 record. I dont think he suddenly stops throwing ints, and he is for sure at the end, but I wouldnt take Taylor over him right now. But, for what its worth Taylor is probably a better bridge QB to a rookie because its easier to rip the band aid off, than do it like the Giants did with Eli.

I would think the Colts make perfect sense given his relationship with Reich. But Florida is a long ways from Indianapolis. It depends on which Tyrod you're getting. His last year here was insufferable. By the playoff game he wasn't throwing the ball anymore. I will say it as long as I live, Bortles vs. Taylor was the absolute worst quarterbacking I've ever seen in a game, simply because both refused to play quarterback.

They are resigning them because they have said they want to set an example by paying guys who have been exemplary in the building and on the field. You may not want to pay Poyer that money, but I feel very strongly he is going to get it. On Dawkins, and Milano you dont wait their contracts expire to pay them. You show you're a good organization by paying those players, the year leading up to guys contracts expiring. I dont disagree on White, but I think they will pay him the contract he has earned rather than letting him play for 6 million this year. Like I said, I could very well be wrong. I just dont see them paying two guys who have never been in the building 20 million dollars a year, when they have Captains and Leaders on the team making anywhere from 800k-1.3 million dollars a year in the case of Milano and Dawkins. This we can agree on. Go get someone like Kevin Pierre-Louis or David Mayo.

I guarantee after extending Dawkins, Milano, Poyer, and White you will have eaten up somewhere between 45 and 55 million of that 90 million dollar cap. Especially, if they add the average a year salary onto what those players are already supposed to make in 2020 to front load and save money in subsequent years. Resign Shaq, and you have spent 55-65 million in just resigning your own guys. I dont expect them to spend to the cap, I expect them to keep a 10-15 Million dollar pool to roll over, because next year they will need to look into extending other players, and making sure the have the long term money to pay Allen and Edmunds. We will have to agree to disagree, but I think fans here better get used to names like Daryl Williams, Bryan Bulaga, Isaiah Crowell, DeAndre Washington, Kyle Love, and Corey Liuget rather than Ngaekou, Cooper, and Henry. They want to draft and develop the guys they pay, last year was different because they were building a core after coming back from burning the roster to the ground.

The cap goes up yes, but the inflation of contracts go up to match the rising cap. If you think they can easily extend White, Dawkins, Milano and Poyer then have the money to bring back a guy like Lawson and then still have cap to go get one of two twenty million dollar a year guys like Cooper or Ngaekou and still have cap to offer Hooper or Henry Id say you play too much Madden or grossly underestimate what they are going to have to pay their own players. White alone probably gets an average of 17 million a year. Then Dawkins, Milano and Shaq will all be between 9 and 12.5 a year.

Potentially, but keep in mind they will need carry over cap for guys like Tremaine as well. They will need to front load White, Dakwins, and Milano, because as sickening as it sounds if the cap gets to 224 million Allen's 5th year option may end up being around 34 million dollars if QB's keep getting contracts like they are.

On Ngakoue, I have no clue why anyone thinks he is getting anything less than 19 or 20 million dollars a year. Frank Clark got 20 million last year on a 188.2 million dollar cap Trey Flowers got 18 Million last year on a 188.2 million dollar cap Ngaekou is younger than both those players, and is more productive than both of those players. Why would a younger, more productive player, on a larger salary cap suddenly get less money? It doesnt make any sense. Logic and inflation would tell you his Projected salary shouldnt be anything under 22 million dollars a year. And if teams get into a bidding war he will be the highest paid edge rusher, 3-4 or 4-3 in the league, easy. Its fun to talk about Ngaekou, Cooper, Austin Hooper and Hunter Henry. But once the Bills pay White, Milano, Dawkins and Poyer those guys will not be in play, 82 Million goes away relatively quickly when you have to pay your own players, and the Bills have to, this year and for the next few years. Bills fans better get more acquainted with the second and third level of free agents, because I would be amazed if Beane gave out a 20 million dollar contract to a guy who has never been in the building.