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I like it. Dave may be looking at them for the Giants but hey share the notes you have on them How were they in the interviews and would you take one of these guys at two? If so which one? Be a good friend Dave

They might still trade if a guy like Smith, or James falls within range.

Why must people operate in extremes? I'll never understand it. I'm all for getting a QB but I guess we need to draft 22 of them since it is the only position that matters.

LOL Baker Mayfield at #32. Mmmm kay Walter.

Fixed it. Smith will be long gone by 12. I don't think bringing Smith in is a smokescreen. I think it is more like an alternative plan JUST IN CASE.

I like Moore. Big fan.

Was he really? his completion percentage was a tad bit better this year. His INT were up in 2016. Here is the bottom line, in 2016 he had more attempts so he threw more INT's but his comp percentage was 56.0 I think this can't be overlooked. On 173 more attempts your comp percentage was worse. To me that's the tale of the tape. You have more attempts in 2016 your completion percentage was worse, BUT catch it only by .3. He only improved by .3 with 173 less attempts. That tells me one thing, good and Josh Allen should not go in the same sentence yet. We can leave room for him to improve and be good, but good he's not right now.

Ughhh LOL but you know it will happen because if Allen can then .....

I think the thing is Mayock and Kiper is that they fall in love with TRAITS and they rank the guys that way. Mayock does lean a bit more towards tape on some players, but in some cases, he'll take the traits over the tape and I think that's the case with Allen. So ultimately, I think the discussion on Allen and where to draft him really depends on what you are going to weigh more heavily, his tape or his traits. He has A+ traits. But to me he has D+/D- tape and it's not just because of the talent around him. Again when you look at his last two season, the coaching staff actually reigned things in to try to clean up his game. He was more conservative but there was no real change in him as a QB. His tape tells me and the numbers tell me that this guy has a hell of a lot to work on.

I think Billick is just trying to say look, folks, there are red flags here that you would do best to pay attention to. The Ravens took Boller in the teens. Allen is being considered a top 5 or even 3 pick off of the same traits that Boller had, namely a frame and a strong arm. Honestly, because there are so many factors that historically count against Allen being great, I'm actually rooting for the guy. I hope he bucks the trend. I'd be scared as hell to take him though.

Look, the thing with Allen is when you look at what happened with him between 2016 season and 2017 season what you will see is the coaching staff got conservative to try to help him. They reigned things in. But notice, nothing really changed. TD/INT ratio, completion percentage are still statistically about the same. I get it, he has the frame and he has the arm. But let's be real, having a strong arm is in some ways overrated. Palmer even alludes to it by saying that you are layering not throwing fastballs. It's icing on the cake but hopefully, the cake is good. If the cake isn't good then no icing is going to save its bad flavor. Allen's biggest problem is he just hasn't discerned when to take heat off of passes. While he was more accurate in shorts, you could still see him putting a lot of heat on the passes. I'm not completely opposed to Allen. But there are situations that I'm opposed to for him. I'm opposed to taking him in the top 10. Secondly, I'm opposed to him being the guy for the Bills. If the Bills are looking for someone to come in and compete at a high level and possibly land the starting job, then Allen is not that guy. He's a project. I can't get behind taking a project in the top 10, neither can I get behind the Bills trading away major assets for a project who won't be ready for at least another season if not more. We need someone who can come in and start getting the job done NOW.

To answer the question of whether the Bills have Allen as their top guy, I'd ask another question. Are the Bills looking for someone who can come in and compete and possibly be the starter immediately, or are they looking to find a guy with talent that needs to sit for a little while? IF they are looking for the former, there's no way Allen can be their top guy.

What I don't get is Rosen being criticized for being a millennial. Aren't all of the QBs in this draft millennials? Unless people are just throwing a term around and not really sure what the hell it means.

Not sure honestly. Am I getting McDaniels with him? Otherwise, I probably would pass. As great as Brady is and even Manning was, I think they are tied to particular systems for their success. If you look at Manning for instance, when he went to Denver no matter what they ran offensively, Manning was like we are running the same stuff I ran with the Colts. So as long as I'm flexible enough to say we will run the offense you ran with that other team then yeah. But if I'm not that flexible, I'm probably wasting time and money.

As I just posted, Beane would be smart to not pay their price at this point. If they really want to move, make them sweat over making the pick vs wanting to move. IF they really want to move, they will get closer to what Beane wants to offer. You don't play this game their way. Make them meet you halfway. If they don't move to a more sensible price then they really didn't want to move.

The OL certainly needs to be upgraded. Regardless of the magical thinking that goes on surrounding QBs, they cannot succeed when there is nothing around them.

Honestly, I think all of this news is just to create hysteria and it's working. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if only 3 QB's went in the top 10. I was on the other side before but now after calming down and realizing the draft for what it is and how it works every year, everything leading up to it is driven by narratives to create hysteria. Some of the leaks end up being true, but the majority of it is just all so off base.

And because people are LOCKED in on their QB of choice there are probably going to be some really, I mean really pissed off people. I'm going to smile and laugh either way.

I don't ever believe in giving up a season. You just do what you can and let things play out. I don't like a defeatist mentality.

I think a case could be made on both sides, namely, 1) this would be a great move by the Browns, or 2) This is not a smart move by the Browns. For the first, I think you could look at it this way. 1) The Browns are not in a position to win the division and they have a Bridge QB in TT. 2) By the time Allen is ready, Ben has retired from Pitt; Flacco is out of Baltimore and Dalton is either out of Cincy or out of the league. 3) Allen takes over in two years and leads the Browns to division contention. Plus in all of that time, several more pieces have been placed around him. For the second argument 1) Allen's lack of accuracy and completion percentage cannot be glossed over as easy fixes. This is a major concern for a top 5 pick. 2) He's a project and with a top 5 pick, you need to be a bit safer than that. 3) If you miss on Allen at #1 when Cleveland has missed too many times, you're in trouble. You keep the franchise in purgatory and you are most likely shining up your resume.

I don't either. Some people are operating at extremes. The fact that they even have Terry in the process and they were successful in year 1 where not many others have been, there's is no way Terry is going to axe them that quickly. But we made it and that cannot be overlooked and I'm sure Terry is not overlooking that. The other item here is they are including him in everything so he's a part of "the process."

We are getting a QB it's just a matter of where, and who, that's All.

Some of the irrationality. Glad Beane is the GM and not some people here.

I would have taken Darius Leonard over Jewell, although it is close.