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I wouldn't be surprised.

When people talk about blue collar and the Bills I think the phrase has a dual meaning. Some are talking about the town maybe misguidedly, but I think when it comes to the Bills specifically, they are talking about Sean McDermott and the type of guys that he likes on his team. So Blue Collar in this sense is a type of mentality. Allen fits the latter, maybe not the former.

He certainly has the talent.

I like Daniels. BUT I think I would get a little greedy here. If someone wants to trade up let them trade up. Get the 2nd and 4th rounder. Take Ragnow in the 2nd, use the 4th to trade into the 3rd and take Fred Warner or Dorian O'Daniel.

I'm all for that strategy depending on the context. This is not the context. If the Browns do not take Darnold you have to trade to 2 and take Darnold, especially if that's their guy, who I think he's their #1. You still will most likely have 1 pick in each round. I'd take Ragnow in round 2, then trade up again at the bottom of round two and take a WR, Miller. Trade back into round 3 and take either Fred Warner or Dorian O'Daniel. Then if I can trade back up into Rd 4, Chad Thomas or Brandin Parker, or Martinus Rankin. All the trades require a partner but the one thing is it's about being aggressive. Aggressive on the field, aggressive in FA, Aggressive in the draft. If they have an opportunity to take their top QB, you don't sit back and wait you get aggressive.

My bet is he's not under the radar to GM's. He's just not talked about much by the ESPN and NFL Network, Bleacher Report and others.

You can't draft for the Bills without adding at least one trench player on the offensive side. Baker will probably be the Jets pick at 3 honestly.

I would say "good" is a relative term in this case. But in any case, I like Allen's toughness, attitude and his demeanor. I think the issue that you are going to have is that I'm not so sure the tape tells what you say it does. One thing I will say though is that Allen in some ways is hard to grade 2016 and 2017 because when you look at both year's there is something in common, namely, for the most part the kid was running for his life. I'm going to post some games from 2016 and from 2017 and it's clear, the kid felt like he had to make a lot of plays and as a result, some good things happened and some bad things happened. 2016 vs San Diego State http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/17/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-mwcc/ Major props for forcing that fumble for a touchback. Any QB that does that checks off the toughness card for me. 2016 vs BYU http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/04/16/josh-allen-vs-byu-2016/ 2016 vs New Mexico http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/04/16/josh-allen-vs-new-mexico-2016/ Now watch 2017 2017 vs Boise http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/10/27/josh-allen-vs-boise-state-2017/ 2017 vs Iowa http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/09/08/josh-allen-vs-iowa-2017/ 2017 vs Utah State http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/11/22/josh-allen-vs-utah-state-2017/ I have no idea what's going on with their protection scheme, but one thing is constant in all 6 games, Allen got pressured alot. Sometimes 5 man, sometimes 4, sometimes 6 man pressures. So I don't buy the he had more talent around him in 2016 that made him world's better that year. The OL was bad both years. He had better WR's in 2016 but the comp percentage was higher this year with worse wide wrs. He was running for his life quite a bit in 2017 trying to make things happen. He did the same thing the previous year in 2016. Allen from what I can tell is a hard worker; humble and will be a good leader. I've changed on him but I still have big concerns.

After reflecting on it over the weekend and watch some film on him and looking at him as a person, not just you. As I said this morning, I think he's their #1 guy. Allen is a close 2nd.

No doubts in my mind that Darnold and Allen are their top two prospects. I can't prove it, but I believe it based on what they've said, their history with QBs and what they are trying to build.

He's always been that way.

having an issue with the stream. Anyone else? The app keeps crashing on my phone as well.

I agree with you. I hope like hell Darnold or Allen can be selected, preferably Darnold. I don't want a day two guy. It just oozes failure LOL. But I honestly think when it comes to QBs Darnold and Allen are the guys not just football-wise but overall guys that Beane and McD look at and without hesitation say Hell yeah, get this guy on my team. The other two in the top 4, I think they look at and say I like them on the football field, but I have a lot of questions about other things. I think they look at Rudolph and say, I have some questions about his football acumen, but no questions at all about him otherwise. I think my language may not have been clear. As I did clear up in another post, I'm not saying they would take Rudolph at 12. I'm saying they'll stick to BPA not named Rosen or Darnold at 12 and take Rudolph later.

"feelings of culture". I never used that language at all. Beane and McD always use the language of culture though and they are pretty clear on what it means, to them. It's not about what they feel or I feel, they've pretty much laid out what they are talking about. Again, I will say I'm not suggesting that they should take Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield. What I am saying though is I would not be surprised to see Rosen and Mayfield slip and that they will try their best to land Darnold or Allen first and if they can't, they may leave QB alone until round 2 and take Rudolph if he's there. All I'm saying is as we've gotten closer to the draft, I think the picture on what they are looking for is clearer. I think their goal is to land Darnold or Allen and if they can't they are not going to take Mayfield or Rosen if those interviews did not indicate these guys fit what they are looking for both in a football player and as a guy that represents what they are building.

It's the risk you take though. If that guy doesn't represent what Beane and McD want, you think they are going to want to keep him around? So I think they will try like hell to land Darnold or Allen.

I couldn't understand why Daniel Jeremiah gushed over Darnold so much. I looked at some tape and saw some things. I think Rosen is more polished. I think Darnold is the closest to Allen in arm strength and he has the personality that Beane and McD covet. To me, he is their #1 guy and Allen is a close 2nd. Darnold and Allen can also both extend plays when need be. Given Beane and McD history around QB's, they've been around guys that have top-flight arm strength and the ability to extend the play when they need to, but primarily work from the pocket. We don't necessarily disagree. I fluctuate as I keep watching. Darnold has more untapped talent than both Rosen and Mayfield. I can see that. The latter two are probably not far off from being the best they are going to get.

It's not about what I think, it's about whether Beane and McD thinks this guy represents their process and culture through and through. As fans we don't care. But if you are a GM and you are having to worry about whether you are going to have to clean up something this guy has said, it's not a good look and I don't see it is something Beane and McD envision as a trait of their guy. Their talent is not the question. The question is whether the fit what Beane and McD want through and through. As a football player they probably do, but outside of that, I think there are too many questions for Beane and McD to be comfortable. But hey, they survived Cam, so maybe, but then again, Cam may be exactly the reason why they pass too.

How is that emotional in what I said. It's actually logic. Beane and McD preach culture They are not going to take a guy that doesn't fit the culture There are several questions as to whether Mayfield or Rosen fit the culture Rudolph fits the cultural leadership model they envision While Mayfield and Rosen are more talented Rudolph fits the culture They are going to take a guy that fits their culture over one who doesn't Now had I said, I like Rudolph and if they take anyone over him then I'm going to be pissed. That's an emotional response. But when you factor in what they preach and the type of personality that they are trying to put in place as the leader of what they have built, as much as I see Mayfield and Rosen as better talents, I think there are severe questions on their fit and I think that's why they'd just wait it out and take Rudolph at a lower draft spot than take Mayfield or Rosen. I'm not going to be surprised at all if Rosen or Mayfield slip. Let me be very clear so you will not assume what I am NOT saying. This is not a question about their talent. But the thing you have to factor in is you and I are watching these guys on TV. The GM and coaches are in some sense living with this guy, asking him to represent what they have built and telling the NFL and sports at large this is what we've built and this guy as the model for that. If you don't think this factors into their evals or any GM's evaluations I'm not sure what to say. That's essentially the ultimate point I'm making. I'm not suggesting that Rudolph, Jackson or any of those guys are better QBs than Rosen or Mayfield. I'm suggesting that they fit what Beane and McD are looking for as a locker room guy, as a guy they can put in front of the camera and not have to worry about him saying something that they will have to clean up, as one who represents their process and culture through and through. there are too many questions surrounding Rosen and Mayfield.

Yep. This is why I'm taking deep breaths and saying it's OK if they don't draft the guy that I want them too. I'm in my living room watching the guy play. They have to meet with him daily, walk through things, eat breakfast with him, travel with him, wonder if they are going to have to clean up something he's said. I like Mayfield, but I'm not seeing it for us.

I'm more afraid and somber now than weeks ago. Talent, Polish and readiness, you take Rosen ahead of Allen everytime in my book. But I'm not going to be with the person in meetings, at breakfast so on and so forth. I'm not asking him to represent something that I've built. Agreed. He's their #1 guy. I have no doubts about this now. You can say that, but then after games the QB has to speak. If you are a GM are you going to have to worry about coming in and cleaning up something that they guy has said? Those are questions that you have to ask yourself with Rosen and Mayfield. Again, only looking at this from a talent perspective I agree with you. That's not how I think Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott are looking at this. I think they are looking at it from the perspective of talent as well as personality fit within the culture.

It scares me too, but it's what I'm accepting this week. From a football standpoint, I want Rosen or Mayfield, but the more and more I hear Beane and McD especially speak, they are about culture just as much as they are about talent. There's just too much happening around Rosen right now that's a distraction and this is not something you want around someone that is the leader of what you are putting out there. Mayfield says some things that no matter what anyone says to him he's not going to change his stance on it. I'm a bit bummed about it, but you can't change people. It's who they are. I think Rosen is the best QB in the draft. I would not be surprised at all to see him and Mayfield slip out of the top 5 with all the stuff surrounding them. Here's the other thing too. I'm not saying this is the case but notice how the Bills had Mayfield and Rosen and Rudolph in for visits. AFTER those they went out to see and work with Darnold. Beane also admitted that some of the pre-visits are smokescreens. They probably were not set up to be smokescreens but once they interviewed the guy it got categorized as such. Did they not like what they saw and heard in the interviews/visits with Rosen and Mayfield and decided that they will have to make the ultimate sacrifice? Are they staying off of Allen because they have a legitimate interest? Certainly, you bring in and visit everyone you can, but I just think that as we get closer to the draft their pecking order is becoming a lot clearer. YES, they did. I saw it in an article somewhere but can't remember. I think it was a USA Today article. Notice how, not many people even know this is the case.

I wouldn't worry about it. I still think he's one of their top guys. I can't prove it. The only thing I can say is what I've been saying in other threads this morning. Allen FITS the personality that Beane and McD want to represent what the Bills are building. Again, I can't prove anything but it wouldn't shock me one bit that their QB board looks like this: 1) Darnold 2) Allen Anyone else after Allen would have to have the same personality traits.

This is an emotional response that is only looking at this from the perspective of talent. Of course talent wise you don't pass on Mayfield or Rosen for those guys. I'd be lunacy. But I don't think Beane and McD are simply looking for talent. They are looking for talent + a guy that represents what they are building culture wise, that's why I think Darnold and Allen are their top two guys. I'm all for Rosen, Mayfield. Those are my top two QBs. I just don't think Beane and McD see those guys as representative of what they are trying to build. I want to be wrong on this but look at some of the things that Mayfield says in interviews, that Rosen says in interviews, then look at what Rudolph, Darnold, Allen, Falk says. What people say is indicative of who they are and what they represent. Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building. Beane and McD are not just drafting a football player. They are drafting that plus a guy that can represent the culture. Like I said, I hope their time with Mayfield and Rosen truthfully showed them that these are guys that fit what they are building, but as we get closer to the draft there's just too much going on around these guys to make me believe that they are the models that Beane and McD want representing the Bills.

I like Baker Mayfield, but it's little things like this that make me think he wouldn't be Beane or McD's first, second or third choice. What he says here I'm sure some GM's find it telling. He said he talked to the NFL guys and they said he needs to calm it down a bit but he indicates that there are some things that it doesn't matter what someone says to him, he's not going to budge on his stance. Again, I like Baker a lot, but these are not words I see Beane and McD desire coming from a guy leading their culture. So they (Texas) passed on you, you hold a grudge. Leadership requires that you let it go and move on.

Ohhh I'm not saying it wouldn't. And I never made a claim about their jobs although, it would be on the line. I'm just saying they preach culture ALL the time and they are not going to take a guy they do not think fits that. Like I said, hopefully, I'm wrong and Rosen and Mayfield truthfully and sincerely fit their culture model as I'm for Rosen, but I have questions if both do. Given the thing that happened with Zay they are working overtime to make sure whoever they take fits within the culture but this guy doesn't just fit, he's going to have to be a leader of it. That's where I have questions about Rosen and Mayfield.