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Worth mentioning that Whaley signed both Poyer and Hyde too. So Beane is really responsible for 3 players.

One of which we have been trying to replace since he got here and is universally considered the weak link in his entire position group. We're also still waiting for Rousseau to reach potential. There's one b+ player in that draft.

Yea, really wonderful drafting in 2021...

I'd prefer both of them to be rotational players than true starters.

If he never suited up in another game, but no one told you, how long would it be until you realized it? For me, I'm not sure they day would ever come.

It may have been your first post on the subject, but my response was to a different circumstance, so yes, moving the goalposts. If you want to talk about running backs making a significant rate who made a significant contribution to reaching/winning a super bowl, we'd have to define all those terms to even get started. It's a lot of legwork looking through contracts, comparing it to the average price of a back and the cap in a given year and I'm not really interested in all that just for you or others to say nUh uHhHhH at the end of it all. It's also not going to reach a point of statistical significance for the following reasons: The aforementioned elite level QB play we've seen over the last 20 years. The limit on only two teams reaching a super bowl per year The number of RBs that meaningfully contributed to SB appearances while on rookie deals Because of the above, you have to look at a longer timeline, which people are already discounting 2012 and being equivalent to 1965. I cna only imagine if I brought up Marshall Faulk or even Edgerrin James

No. Do your own homework. I never said it was. Like I told the other guy, if you want to move goalposts, create a new argument for that instead of trying to apply it in reverse to other arguments. So far, no one has countered that elite RB play can help teams reach the super bowl, and they probably won't.

"Winning" a super bowl was not the challenge. Getting a team to the super bowl was. If you want to move the goalposts so that you can find a way to be right, go ahead but I'm not interested in that discussion.

sure add them to the list. They played in 2018 when Gurley did, right?

And Lynch, Gore, Gurley? I know you hate being proven wrong, but picking one example you don't like (that's still valid btw), doesn't discredit the argument.

Do you have the memory of a goldfish? You don't remember them being an extremely dangerous 1-2 combo? They combined for 2100 yards and 16 touchdowns. They were effectively one powerhouse RB split as two players. Similar to Barber/Jacobs, Dunn/Alstott, etc. The Falcons heavily relied on them.

Todd Gurley was in 2018 The combination of Devonta Foreman and Tevin Colemen were in 2016 Marshawn lynch was in 2013 & 2014 Frank Gore & Ray Rice were in 2012 How much further do you want me to go back? In the last 20 years, we have been blessed with seeing most of the top 10 greatest QBs of all time, including the undisputed top 2 and likely top 3, many of them all competing for a Super Bowl simultaneously. Since then, we've introduced Mahomes, who's already top 10 all time. It shouldn't be any surprise that SB winners have been largely QB driven since that time. That doesn't mean that elite RBs don't help you get there and give you a better chance to win.

It's one move. He also got them Brock Purdy. The 49ers have an incredible roster and have been a QB away for years. If Purdy takes a step and stays healthy, I could very easily believe the go to the Super Bowl this year. They've been to the Championship game in 3 consecutive seasons.

Yes, i meant divisions, which is why I immediately edited it. I'm not interested in Dick Jauron football philosophy, though. Of ocurse it's hard to win - that's why Beane is compensated as one of the top football personnel in the world. The team has not gotten better in 2 full seasons - peaking in 2020. They haven't gotten past the divisional round since then and are highly unlikely to do so again this year with a roster that's effectively running back a group that was incapable of putting up more than 10 points against the Bengals last year plus a now giant whole at MLB. How much longer are you going to allow this staff to take credit for Allen single handedly carrying this team? They get a ton of credit for developing him, but the rest of the roster put together is mid at absolute best. Maybe a 7th seed on a good year, but would miss the playoffs more than not.

People need to stop giving Beane credit for drafting Milano. It was 100% Doug Whaley. Beane couldn't even find buffalo on a map when Milano was drafted.

what has he won except division titles in one of the weakest divisions in the league?

Even though they already tried to to it as couple days ago?

What if we won our fantasy league though?

Why would you trade him? His value has to be what, a max of a 4th round pick? You'd be killing $11M of cap space for a 4th or 5th round pick? He's worth more than that as a 4th DB.

Our team downgrading to below replacement level doesn't make Edmunds good. The plan should have never been to replace Edmunds with a trio of terrible prospects. It should have been to upgrade, and they didn't even try. Not even one legitimate signing for competition at the spot. Even if the defense is terrible this year, I'm still glad he's gone and that we won't be hampered with him and his insane contract over the long term. I expect the pan is to use a high pick next year to address the position.

they finished 9-8 the last two seasons. They aren't better until they actually start getting wins. They wouldn't have even been a playoff team if we still played 16 games with 6 playoff spots.

4th is way too high for a guy that lost the backup job to Sam Darnold and who is on a relatively expensive deal for a player who flamed out so far. That said, I'd absolutely give up a 5/6/7 for him. Beane wastes a lot of those picks anyway and he does two things for the Bills. He gives us some possible upside in the event Allen were to go down. We know with 100% certainty that if Allen goes down this year, we aren't winning without him. While that's 99.9% true even if Lance is here, it's still a way better shot than with Kyle Allen or Barkley. The second reason is that is if we can turn him into a reclamation project, he could be worth an absolute haul in trade value. A QB that can play could be worth a 1st round pick+ and that could have a monster positive benefit for our team as cap gets tighter and premium picks go up in value. I would 100% bring him in based on that. He hasn't been there 3 seasons. He's been there 2. The first year he was a backup and didn't play. The next he was on IR nearly the entirety of the season. it's been well documented by NFL players that guys on IR are effectively treated like they aren't even on the team. Any study he would have been doing would have to have been independent most likely

Daryl Williams was considered a weakness? I remember him being quite decent.

very, very unlikely. Maintaining that level of peak performance for 15-20 years is so incredibly rare. We've seen some really great pass rushers since Bruce but they have a tendency to fall completely off a cliff in their early 30s(Mario Williams, Jared Allen, Strahan, Freeney, JJ Watt, Ware, etc ) It's uncanny how most of these guys went from double digit sacks to immediately dropping to low single digits at 30-31 and then were just completely washed. Based on their injury history, I expect the Bosas and TJ Watt to follow similar trajectories.

No. Both are true.