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Even if he does play, how excited does that get you? What problem does he fix about our group as a whole? What's a best case scenario?

Our 6th receiver competition is what was keeping you up at night about the WR room?

Cleveland is giving themselves as many kicks at the QB can as they can. I can't fault them for doing it as they clearly understand that without an answer, they are finished before they start. Every team that doesn't have certainty at the position should do the same thing.

I would see it like this: Pre-Suspensions Epenesa - Jones - Oliver - Rousseau - Early downs, high run probability, everyone fresh. Bosa - Sanders - Oliver - Rousseau - Obvious passing downs/gotta have it stops. Jackson is the 4th DE in, if Walker is ready to go and beats out Carter, he'll rotate in as the 4th DT, but I wouldn't expect to see a lot of him if everyone is healthy. Once the suspensions end, a lot will come down to the performance of Jones. If he has struggled at all, expect Ogunjobi to get a real shot at his playing time crack at his playing time. If that were to happen, jones could be bumped back to a reserve role where he plays primarily on short yardage run downs where they could load up on big men. I expect Jackson to become a reserve at this point with Hoecht's return, unless his play demands that he leap Epenesa. Something like: Hoecht - Jones - Ogunjobi - Rousseau and a 5th big man like Sanders/Walker could find their way in there. I will expect Hoecht to play a significant role in the defense lining up at basically every position and doing so often. I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the first guy in at most spots except for Bosa on passing downs. Even though Bosa has been a capable run defender, If their smart, they won't waste him on that when they have younger healthier players that can do it. So basically when everyone is healthy and back from suspension your group looks like Epenesa - Ogunjobi- Oliver - Rousseau - Early downs, high run probability Bosa - Hoecht/Sanders- Oliver/Hoecht - Rousseau - Obvious passing downs/gotta have it stops. I imagine it'll be hard for Jackson or Walker to get a ton of playing time unless we move on from Epenesa/Jones or someone gets hurt. I wouldn't be surprised to see two of Walker, Jones, Ogunjobi inactive on gameday depending on performance because of the flexibility Hoecht gives. In case you haven't figured it out by now, i think the key to the whole defense is Hoecht. He gives us something we've only had very poor versions of over the years, and if he's just getting to his best ball now, it could be the piece that transforms the way our defense works.

It's obvious, and not particularly close: Safety. Not sure how any other position is even in discussion. Punter would be a distant #2, but it's a lot less important.

Taking $21M in dead cap is a nuclear option when you only have to pay the guy an extra $3M to play all year for you. no chance that happens. He has 19 sacks over the last 3 years. Rousseau has 21 and plays a lot more.

He's uncuttable/tradeable until after 2026. I'd be shocked if he doesn't play out his whole deal the way it's structured.

Epenesa has been great with his limited reps. The guy's a lock for 6+ sacks a year. I expect him to effectively start over Bosa, as they try to keep Bosa fresh. Solomon on the other hand has shown nothing and they have no investment in him. I can't see a scenario where everyone else is healthy and he makes the team. Similarly, Carter has to be no better than #5 on the DT depth chart right now. Only way I see him on the team is if they shut Walker down for the year trying to get him to peak form for 2026. Cutting Jones would seem to be a big mistake after finally getting depth at the position unless he's washed. Even if he isn't the guy he was, and say he plays 30% of the snaps, that's still a valuable role.

Of course. Football is the greatest game ever invented and it shouldn't be denied to any healthy kid that wants to play.

I expect them to keep every player through camp and into the season. When the suspensions end, Solomon and Logue get cut and sent to PS. Carter and Walker inactive on game days after the suspensions.

But why would he need to do that yet again? We've already taken a 1st round pass catching TE, a 2nd round WR, and his previous 5th round WR has turned into a legitimate #2 WR. He also signed a guy who he believes has #2/#3 upside in Palmer. I'm flabbergasted how anyone can think he hasn't addressed the position when he's invested in it heavily. What exactly do you want? I would have loved DK metcalf, but paying him $30M a year likely means our DL is trash again this year instead of stacked. Someone like Pickens would not have been a meaningful upgrade. He's a name everyone knows, but he's fairly mediocre and a headcase, which is why they invested so much in Metcalf.

I really like the player, but that's an outrageous amount of money.

You're upset we didn't take two more 4th round WRs? If you aren't happy with one Shakir, would you be happy with 3 of them? That's of course taking into account that by not getting Kincaid, you'd now have a big hole to fill at TE and you'd have a worse receiving weapon there. FWIW, Shakir is also the best performing WR in his class drafted after Pickens in the 2nd round. Are you praising Beane if he drafts Erik Ezukanma and Montrell Washington?

Insane take.

Why are questions being asked about day 3. Last I checked Kaden Prather was drafted on day 3 and he's a WR. Everyone should be happy with that, no?

He was responsible for 27 first downs on 59 touches. He was MASSIVELY important. There are games he outright won for us.

Yes. I would rather have cheaper younger players with upside at our depth positions than more expensive veterans who have proven they can't play.

The things you're "assuming" on Beane's behalf, I don't think he's assuming. He added what he feels is a legitimate talent in Palmer. You can disagree with that if you want, but he should easily match or exceed Mack Hollins offensive production for us, at the absolute worst. There's plenty of reason to feel that both Kincaid and Coleman should be significantly better as well, as Kincaid was better his rookie season, both he and Coleman battled significant injuries in 2024 and Coleman will not be a rookie any longer. What you, and WGR seemed to miss about what Beane was saying is that you can have a really productive WR room without having a #1 guy, and he's absolutely right. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a heavy analytics based approach to WR where they figure having 3 guys at a Shakir-tier would be preferable to having one high end #1 and a bunch of scrubs. Personally, I think the value of having the #1 guy is when you need 1 play. The lesser guys may perform just as well in aggregate, but when you need one play do you have a Larry Fitgerald, D-Hop, Andre Johnson, Antonio Brown, TO, Moss, etc that you just decide pre-snap he's getting the ball and you know he'll catch it in double coverage? There's value in that. Of course, as Beane said, there's massive opportunity cost in that too. They've decided it's better to invest in big men and recycle/ find value at skill positions, because ultimately your QB will elevate those positions anyway. I think it's harder to win that way because you need a complete roster, but I don't disagree with it as a premise.

Do they play the Super Bowl in September? Let him hold out, it'll give Davis valuable reps in games they'll win anyway. We don't need Cook until January.

I was high on Elijah Moore years ago, but at this point he's not offering the kind of "help" people are clamoring for. He'd be a 5th WR at best, or more likely a camp body.

They did call him out and they lost the argument. They had no reasonable reponse to Beane's rebuttal that they had the number #1 scoring offense in the league with the room he built. I happen to think there is one, but they sure didn't have it. What's yours?

I hope they do that kind of thing every single year, should the situation present itself. Draft picks are wildly overvalued compared to proven talent. A perennial playoff team should almost always be looking to load up on pieces at the deadline that they think can help them in their playoff push. At this stage of our roster development, we have no holes. We have places we can get better, places we can get deeper, and places where we can get cheaper, but if you claim the goal is to win the Super Bowl this year, next year's 90th pick doesn't help you do that.

We could have done that last year if we wanted. Dorian Williams was playing great football last year until he got benched for a returning Milano.

Their defense isn't set. They still need safeties. Hopefully Bishop becomes on of those guys. If not, they'll have to prioritize getting vets next year.

each of the top 4 picks we made have that potential. Now they just have to execute.