BullBuchanan

Would I be open to having the greatest coach of all time? Yes.

Why should I waste any more of my time? For years I've given you nothing but well researched and well thought out replies that result in little more than you throwing "nuh-uh" into ChatGPT and posting the responses. You come into threads with your mind firmly locked into place and no amount of reason or evidence could ever sway you to move from it and you certainly won't meet me anywhere near halfway when it comes to the effort you put into the conversation. There's no value in trying to debate a person like that. It's intellectual dishonesty.

Well, as long as they keep winning 10+ games a year when it doesn't matter, that isn't going to happen. McBeane is here for the forseeable future, and Josh will just keep getting older. When Josh retires in 5-10 years with zero rings (maybe even zero appearances), we can all bemoan how it was too bad he didn't have an elite defense that could stop Mahomes. JA is the one player on the whole team that could make the difference himself. If he doesn't want to, that's fine, but he's actively choosing not to.

Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too. If you score a touchdown to go up by 4 and then give Mahomes the ball with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts - then what we're looking at is a bunch of complaints that Allen left the field with the lead yet again and his defense couldn't get the job done. The same thing happens if Bass makes his kick. If I'm not mistaken, Mahomes still has the highest rate of game winning drives in that scenario in NFL history - surpassing Brady as of a couple years ago. I need my QB to know that. This isn't 1994. Going up with 2 minutes to go isn't good enough when you have a chance to never give your opponent the ball back. Yes, we've already beat this topic to death, but these errors in judgment aren't limited to one pass in a game where Allen was otherwise our best player. They happen consistently, and if they didn't Allen has at least one ring by now. We can bemoan the other reasons like lack of weapons, or defensive letdowns all we want, but this one thing is completely within his control and is fixable if he wants to do so. I just don't think he does - at least not if it cuts into his golfing time or chasing hollywood starlets.

Projection perhaps? I'm not sure why I'd watch well over 500 Bills games if I hated them so much. To want your team to improve is the ultimate sign of fandom. The Bills would have easily gone to OT if Allen was smart enough not to go for broke on a touchdown pass that even if he connected would have left KC with plenty of time to march down the field and win in regulation. Tactically, it was a terrible decision. The right play was the underneath throw to Diggs that would have picked up the first down and would have given us the chance to run out the clock with a walk off td. Why do we need to compare him to other players? What good does that do? I'm just judging him against himself. I want him to get smarter, develop better judgement, and develop better and more consistent touch on the ball so that in critical situations we have the best chance to win.

It's "cherry picked to say he had a worse TD-int ratio, less yards, less YPG, less passing TDs, More INTs worse passer rating, worse QBR in every season since 2020? I think they call that picking the whole tree my man. I'm not saying he's bad, by any stretch. He's still an elite top 2-4 QB. I'm just saying there's extremely little to show that he's actively getting better each year.

You can try to attack my character, but that just makes it clear you've run out of arguments. The difference between me and people like you is that I back up my arguments. Do you even watch the Bills? Josh peaked in 2020 if you've been watching the games, and the stats back it up.

Josh hasn't meaningfully improved in the last 4 years. You think he's all of a sudden going to start getting better now? This is just a load of nonsense. We're hating Diggs now because he doesn't engage with the media? lol. ok.

I LOVE that diggs got in Josh's face. Someone had to. He was the only guy on this team that wanted to win and seemed to actually put the work in. Josh is far more concerned with chasing Hollywood tail and golfing. I love how hard Josh plays, but he just doesn't put the mental work in and it's the reason he doesn't have a ring yet, and perhaps never will. They've never had less accountability or more excuses to fall short than they will in 2024, and that's what I fully expect to happen. "A lot of new faces" "It took us a while to gel" "We ran out of steam" "emotionally exhausted" etc. Is a loser culture in that locker room full of soft personalities and a weak coach. Diggs didn't fit that and that's not a him problem, it's a Bills problem. Looking forward to Dawkins showing up out of shape as per usual too.

Do you mean when he was in heavy contact? Yes, he should have caught the ball, but it's not like he was wide open.

based on credibility alone? Probably me since I don't have a financial interest in making headlines to stay relevant. Given that Diggs was wide open by about 10 yards and he has the highest career catch percentage of any buffalo bill with more than 500 receptions, yea, I think a target put anywhere near his vicinity would have been as close to a guaranteed win as a team gets in this league.

I explicitly called this out, so yea. I don't even agree that he fell off at all, he simply wasn't a big part of Brady's scheme for whatever reason. Players don't go from elite to washed mid-season without injury. People are blaming Diggs for a gameplan outside of his control. Of course, there's no excusing his drop in the KC game. That said, If Allen targets him instead of Shakir at the end of the game, we win.

GOAT.

Not sure I've seen more hyperbole in NFL fandom history than calling a perennial top 5-10 WR washed after a 1200 yard 8 TD season - all because he didn't light up the stat sheet directly corresponding to a change in coordinator. His "washed up" season was the 12th best receiving total in Buffalo bills history by raw yardage, 18th best in YPG, and 11th (T) in TDs. I fully expect him to have an equal or better season next year, outperforming any receiving we draft.

Amari Cooper stared hot and then had 2 terrible seasons before becoming a star with Dallas. Garrison Hearst took 3 years to get going Thomas Jones didn't flash until the very last few games of his 4th season and then became a star with the bears in year 5th. Vinny Testaverde is maybe the NFL's greatest longevity success story in spite of results. Does that count?

Pretending is the only way your take makes any sense. Commanding targets is an indication of skill. It's also worth noting that Diggs catch percentage is over 9% higher. I'd love for one of you guys to pose an actual argument here based on numbers. So far it's just making excuses for the era in which Reed played, playing imaginary "what if" games, or when all that fails falling back on a general attack of my arguments in general (again with no supporting evidence). Of course, lost in all this is the fact that most of the board is trying to run Diggs down like he's a bum when all of the evidence shows that he was so good he outperformed the best WR Buffalo ever had before him, who is now on the Wall and in the Hall. It's such an insane amount of disrespect for a guy that never did anything but play 100% and never said or did a bad city to or about this city or its fans. It's disgusting.

How often do total bust WRs turn it around? I'd rather draft someone from a D3 school in the 7th that we haven't seen be awful in the NFL yet.

It's absolutely a criticism of Diggs when you say he was worse than a guy who was rarely at the top of the league against his contemporaries. No doubt the game is played differently than it is today, but why did he only crack top 5 receiving numbers 4 times in 16 years? Tim Brown had no trouble despite far lesser QB play. Why are you arguing about things that are facts? Andree reed played in 21 playoff games with 85 total receptions and 9 TDs averaging 58.5 YPG. Diggs meanwhile has 14 playoff games with 69 total receptions, 4 TDs and 64.9 YPG. This board is ridiculing Diggs for disappearing in playoff games, leaving no mention of Reed doing the same. In 3 playoff games from 95 to 96 Reed had a combined 16 targets for 5 receptions for 52 total yards. Andre Reed failed to score a touchdown in his final 11 straight playoff games. 11 straight games. There is no reality in which Andre Reed was a better Buffalo Bills receiver than Andre Reed. He would have broken every record reed set in probably 60% of the games if he were still here. Rose tinted glasses from the softening of history through the passage of time is a wild thing.

You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill. Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.

The most lukewarm take ever - Andre Reed being in the Hall of Fame is more ridiculous.

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

Are you guys playing a game where you aren't allowed to mention TJ Watt or is he just so far ahead that when you say "the best", you really mean guys fighting for #2?

Best Bills receiver ever, and I don't think it's particularly close. Highest YPG by about 35%. 4th in yards and TDs despite only playing 66 games as a Bill. with one more season he would've left Lee Evans in the dust despite Evans playing 7 seasons. Highest catch percentage in the top 20 outside of Freddie. Beyond crushing the stat sheet, he was uncoverable for most of his time here, and routinely made the toughest catches look routine. We haven't had a player like that in at least the last 40 years and probably ever.

Of those two guys, only one of them spends that time golfing.

Whaley brought up Tre White, Hyde and Poyer.