oldmanfan

So what you are saying is that you are ignorant of what accuracy vs. precision means. Hope the next time you go to get your blood pressure checked they don't mix the two up. Or if they do then we might not have to read your pedantic nonsense every time you're shown to be wrong about something. The OP defined his measure of accuracy. I note you haven't, other than to ridicule his. Because presuambly you like others have no clue what it means. I would define as within the catch radius; but then you would have t ask Allen if he threw it right where he wanted and if the WR ran a bad route. As for it not applying to football, strange that the classic way to describe the difference is by the dartboard analogy, I.e. Throwing a projectile at a specific spot. Sounds like what a forward pass is, doesn't it?

Here are the problems with your take that the OP, I and others have addressed repeatedly and that you seemingly choose to ignore: 1. You confuse passer ratings with accuracy; they are not the same thing. 2. You don't define accuracy, whereas the OP does in his exhaustive research of not only Allen but many other young QBs. 3. You likely confuse accuracy and precision 4. You show no data to support your own claim, other than rankings that do not really test accuracy.

Couple feet forward of that and Rosen might not be here today - scary stuff.

The coach and GM felt the players that were her when they got here were not the guys that could eventually win. So they got rid of them. Some I agree with, such as Dareus - how anyone can disagree that getting rid of a big tub of goo that did not want to play hard and was pulling down top dollar is beyond me. Some I did not agree with and still don't - prime example being Watkins although the money he's now getting to be an essential 3rd or 4th option in KC's offense is mind numbing. But this is what coaches and GM's do - when they are interviewed for these jobs they have ideas and plans for how they want to build a championship team, and then once hired execute their plan. McD and Beane have a clear idea of what they want in a team. They want guys dedicated to the game, and that will give maximum effort toward that goal. In that respect it is similar to Belichick's model - just do your job. They have started to put pieces together, they have the young QBs for both sides of the ball in Allen and Edmunds, some nice parts on defense, and they have work to do on the offensive side. They will use this offseason to address those. How successfully, we'll see. So they now have cleared away cap space as well as guys they didn't want, and their job now is to show they can get the guys they want, and to coach them in a way that leads to success. Whether they do so or not will dictate whether they are viewed as heroes in WNY, or whether they are bounced out a couple years from now. That's the way the NFL and really any professional (and for that matter college) team works.

Seems to me I've seen or read many articles indicating O line play has declined because guys come into the league with limited blocking skills given the advocacy of spread offenses in college. The Colts chose very well last draft and got two guys ready to play; the exception to prove the rule. I am quite sure Beane and McD understand the importance of an effective O line for their young QB. It will be interesting to see how they address it, but I have no doubt it will be addressed.

You can google anyone of a number of sites that will tell you they are not the same. Here's one just as an example: https://www.mathsisfun.com/accuracy-precision. Statistically accuracy is how close a value is to a given value, precision is how close different measured values are to each other. They are very different, especially in lab setting (I run one, so I know) and other scientific fields. let's say our blood pressure is really 200 systolic, but your at home pressure indicators consistently says it's 120. Very precise, but horribly inaccurate. Or you take ten measures that range from 180-220, but the mean is around 200. Horribly imprecise, but pretty accurate. Confusing accuracy and precision in medicine can get you killed. Now, take it to football. What transplantbillsfan says is actually correct, in that he has taken a measure of accuracy (i.e. catchable vs. not) and applied it not only to Allen but many other young QBs in another thread. And he is as accurate as any. I did the same with his last couple games. Now, if you want to define accuracy as, say, only hitting a guy right between the two numbers on his uniform, then you are using an extremely narrow interpretation of accurate, so much so that it would then equal precision, in that he has to hit a very specific spot time after time. In looking at the value of accuracy vs. precision in QB play, it comes down to things like fitting a ball into a tight window, or putting it exactly where a WR can make a play but a CB right on him can't. That involves both great accuracy AND great precision, as the dartboard analogy above shows. The great QBs are both accurate AND precise. Allen is pretty accurate as transplant has shown; he needs to e more precise on his ball placement. And to be fair, more accurate on certain throws like his short ones to the flat. Your posting Wikipedia definitions of accuracy and precision show you have not really ever worked in a field where an understanding of them are both mandatory and critical.

Accuracy and precision are very much different and you claiming they the same does not make it so.

If you go back and read, you'll find the PFF measures are ill defined.

I believe there are some who formed a conclusion about Allen when drafted, that he would not be good. And they then want to either twist data to meet their bias or ignore data that does not correspond. Basically confirmation bias. Why? Unfortunately so they can boast and say I told you so in a chat room. Everyone should understand by nowAllen has positives but also things to work on. They should also agree he is not nearly a finished product. And for the love of God we should all agree at long last that accuracy is not completion percentage. Completion percentage will involve more timely reading of defenses, taking shorter routes, better receiving/catching. And yes precise delivery of passes.

People said the same thing kind of stuff about Poyer, just as an example. And he turned out OK. I think they will do what they have done in FA the past couple years, look for middle tier guys that they think have upside, and not go for the big dollar guys. From reading up on the guy, he appears to be more of a road grader type as opposed to a more mobile guy that can pull, etc. I wonder if that tells us anything about what they're going to be looking for at other O line spots, and whether it tells us something about what Daboll wants to run, etc. Teller is the same the guy if he keeps his LG spot. I'm not as up on O line techniques as many here; would guys like this favor more of a zone vs/ man on man blocking scheme, and what might that say about the offensive scheme? I would think they would then wants RBs that are the one cut, hit the hole and go types, or to put it another way the anti-Shady?

Bravo!

Well said Shaw

Well said Shaw

He doesn't necessarily have an accuracy issue, he has a completion percentage issue which will improve as he gets better at reading defenses and gets the ball out sooner.

I agree with everything you've stated except your first sentence. People on this board have repeatedly used his completion percentage to say he's inaccurate, despite repeated attempts to explain why they are not the same.

Let's say he throws on average 20-30 times a game. The difference between a completion percentage of 52% and 60% is between 2-3 passes. So if one or two receivers catch a ball instead of dropping it, or if one or two tackles make a block that allows Allen to make a throw and complete it vs. throw it away to avoid a sack, there you have it. I agree he has things to improve. Touch on short throws, reading defenses, taking the short throw. All these come with experience. People need to quit assuming the kid is a finished product. It gets ridiculous. And people need to quit equating accuracy with completion percentage, because it's comparing apples and oranges.

Some guys have to fail at their first shot at HC to figure it out the second time. My guess is this guy fails yet again.

For us who have lived the entire history, the best Fish win has to be ending their streak opening day 1980.

1. Being at the Rockpile for the first AFL championship game- one of life's highlights 2. Opening game 1980 when we finally beat the Fish, and helped carry the goalposts to Ralph. 3. Monday night opening game in '74 when we beat the Raiders. Sat right in the corner of the end zone where Rashad caught the pass

Because people choose to be ignorant, I guess

How many times does it have to be stated and proved that completion percentage does not equal accuracy?

I guess you can't read. He shut down a high scoring offense. We scored only 19 points. He took the passing game away. And he along with Parcells outcoached Marv by running the ball down our throats. Marv should have told Kelly to quit throwing the ball and just let Thurman and Kenny run.

Whatever. All I know is I'm excited to watch him play next year.

Absolutely

Show me proof either Belichick or Brady use drugs