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I really hope for Shady's sake he gets traded to a contender. Don't care what we get back if anything.

It's one thing to be bad. It's another to field the worst offense the league has ever seen. Nobody expected to be this bad on that side of the ball. With Whaley's players.

Rebuild? Rebuild to what? I will believe it when I see it. Do you really have faith that McDermott and Beane have any clue how to build a good offense? The same duo that has been duped into thinking Peterman is the right answer how many times now? If they can't make an easy evaluation to move on from Peterman how can they make the tougher evaluations? Their level of QB scouting is on the John Elway level of bad.

I think it is an easy decision that Anderson will remain the starter if we win a couple games with him and he looks competent. But if we win games in spite of Anderson we might go back to Allen. Hoping Anderson capitalizes off of the defenses turnovers is asking a lot I think. Let's start with him just not turning the ball over himself. Four picks in his last two starts two seasons ago.

I'm starting Shepard as well actually. I have two WRs on byes. I actually have both Rivers and Watson available. But they are playing top 10 pass defenses. Eli is playing the 31st ranked pass defense that has given up 3 or more passing TDs in 5 consecutive games and 300+ passing yards in 4 of their last five games.

I'm starting Eli Manning against the Falcons.

I agree. But darn it, he'll sure try.

I know a team that's in need of a highly paid back up QB. I see what you did there. So Anderson has him beat in Height and Hand Size?

This defense has a perfect combination of young and old players all over the roster. Two very young and talented linebackers and one old as dirt vet still playing with everything he has. Same with the d-line. One young DT and one very old but still good. Veteran safeties and very young CBs. It seems like the perfect recipe for this season.

We won 2 games with Allen. Allen was the worst QB in all of football. No reason why we can't win another two games this year which would likely put us outside the top 5.

Honest question. Where is EJ Manuel or Mark Sanchez? Either one could come in tomorrow and be the best QB on the roster. DA? Really.

Yeah but at least we punted well back then.

At least 80% of the board didn't like the pick so that's not a shocker. Probably even closer to 90%. Of course after the Vikings game 99% of the board said they liked the pick. It probably stands around 50/50 now i guess. Peterson or Anderson, I highly doubt it matters at this point. Anderson through 2 INTs in each of the last two games he started. And that was two seasons ago. Got to imagine his skill set has only declined considerably since then. Did he at least go through a full training camp this past off-season?

Again, sounds like excuses are being made for Allen's poor play. I'm not even asking the guy to be good or average. Just show me slightly below average and I'll be happy. I'm not at all okay with way below average which Allen is. Nobody should be. But I guess we can just make excuse after excuse. The only hope we have is we can our coach after the season and bring in a Reid, Sean Payton, Pederson, Shannhan, McVay type to take over. A guy that knows how to build an offense based on personnel and play design. I was shocked as was just about everyone else at the turn around Goff had with a new coach. Maybe that can happen for Allen. But let's face it, odds are not great at all that it will happen. But at this point, McDermott has to go because it's the only way it will actually have a chance to happen. And that kind of kills me because McDermott has put one heck of a defense on the field. But a good QB trumps a good defense.

Problem with CTC is if you eat too much of it (guilty) you feel sick afterwards. I don't get the same feeling with GG. I'd move GG up to number 1 for that reason. HNC just isn't sweet enough unless you add more honey to it. But it also leaves you with sick feeling afterwards after the 4th bowl.

This thread is for Hot Takes only please.

So coaching and teammates has been the problem since Kelly retired? Or is it more likely we just haven't had a good QB in that time span? Again, I'm not making excuses. A good QB will rise to the top regardless of circumstances. Sure coaching and personnel can help. But you either have it or you don't as well. Let's just find a guy that has it. Enough of the excuses.

I clearly remember him completing either a slant or post pattern on a third down. It was about 15 yards i think? It was a big completion I recall.

That's all hypothetical. The only thing that is true that we have to go off of are the raw stats. I'm done with making excuses for our bad QBs. Just put up good numbers, heck I'll even take slightly below average for a rookie season.

Is Peterman's best pass the 10-15 yard slant/post? We need to run the ball at 3:1 ratio and throw only slants. And at least if we throw a slant or post the defender likely gets tackled if he makes the pick.

Even if we go ahead and give him an extra 100 yards on the season his YPA jumps to 6.7 which is still a .25 of a point below Mayfield and Rosen. And both those QBs would still be outperforming Allen in TD%, Int% and sack %. The sack % isn't even close.

I'm curious if these 3rd down stats are still skewed by the first 1.5 games played to start the season. The further we get away from those games the better the numbers keep getting. Take away the first 1.5 games and the pick six and the defense is giving up something like 13 ppg. And this is all while being supported, or dragged down, by the worst offense in the league. The defense has simply been amazing considering the start to the season and the lack of offensive support. Overrated? Well, #3 is a very high ranking so i guess you could ague they are overrated. Where would you rank them top 10 still? Still not bad if so. I think the fact that they don't get any support from the offense actually makes it harder to say they are over rated though. And while the PI in the endzone hurt us, they did exactly what a great defense would be expected to do after that penalty. If the defense is a fraud the Texans score a TD there.

Let's be real here. Allen is supported by the 3rd ranked defense in the league. The other guys are supported, or dragged down, by defenses ranked 28th, 22nd and 19th.

If you think Allen is in the same zip code of the other 3 rookies I don't know what to tell you. His QB rating is a whole 11 points lower than the next worst rookie. That is an astronomical gap. It would be no big deal if we were talking 70 vs 81. But 61 vs 72 is alarming. Sure the completions percentages are on par with Mayfield and Rosen but so what. He has one bad metric that is on par with those guys? What about ypa, sack rate, TD/INT percentage? Allen is woefully behind in all of those. I'm done with making excuses for players. After 20 some years of futility at the QB position I'm not going to look for excuses to explain why a guy is actually better than his dreadful numbers show.

Allen has to keep playing this year. We have to find out what we have in Allen because we very well may need to take a QB high in this coming draft. Even if it is not for a starter, we have no viable back up QB for the 2019 season. Anderson? Peterman? They can't be options moving forward? We might take a guy early in the second round who can be a back up and also compete with Allen. We have no idea what Anderson will do if he plays. He's thrown 2ints in each of his last two starts and those were two seasons ago at the age of 33. Now he is 35. He very well might not be any better than Peterman. I believe Peterman will start on Sunday. I don't think McDermott ever considered the Anderson signing as more that a guy that will show both Allen and Peterman how to get ready during the week. Nobody was more excited for Peterman to throw the TD to Zay Jones than McDermott. It would have justified McDermott's decision to keep trotting Peterman out there. Instead, McDermott will continue to trot Peterman out there but with continued heavy criticism.