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Is he at the top of his game though? He'll be 31 at the start of the season. Lot's of mileage. I don't think he is worth the risk of throwing Allen under the bus and causing problems. He needs to either go to a team with a stopgap QB like Denver with Flacco or an elite and established QB like Rodgers, Wilson or Brees.

If he comes here and puts up a 1000 yards per season. Then so what. He'll be like Stevie Johnson except he would be paid twice as much and a headcase to our young QB.

Would love to draft this guy. He's going to go very early second round I bet.

ABA Anyone But Antonio. Don't want this bum. Hoping he goes somewhere with a below average QB. He'll go from averaging 1500 yards per year to 1,001.

It's possible. Both Murray, who is predicted to go #1 this year, and Allen have or were big questions marks as to whether or no they will work out in the NFL. But the elite skills are tangible for both. Murray's college resume was elite where as Allen's was not. I think that would prevent a team like the Cards to move off of a former 1st round pick the year prior to take a QB like Allen.

Taylor's biggest problem was not reading the defense. He was either too slow to read the defense or failed to read it entirely. That is when he left yards and points on the field. That will also be the number one thing Allen and any rookie QB needs to work on. If Allen can improve on that alone, his accuracy won't be an issue. If he can't improve his ability to read the defense then he will need to improve his accuracy. As i have pointed out in other threads Allen trended up big time looking at his final six starts compared to his first six games played. The only metric that did not improve was accuracy. But he became a better QB in all other meaningful metrics. It's a small sample size, but despite not improving his accuracy he improved his winning percentage from a 2-3 record in his first five starts to 3-3 in his last six starts.

Allen improved as the season went on. That even accumulated in him having by far his best game of the year in his final game. This thread specifically is looking at Allen vs. Rosen as it looks specifically at the immediate post draft reactions to the Bills taking Allen with Rosen still on the board and coming off just a few picks later. The raw QB rating stats for the entire season for both Allen and Rosen are nearly identical. Allen has Rosen beat by a mere 1.2 points. But how did each do down the stretch? As teams got more film on them and as they themselves learned the game? Answer: Allen's stats got better in ever single meaningful statistical category except for completion percentage. YPA improved. TD:INT ratio improved. Sack % improved. Passing ypg increased. And we all know how elite he was throwing in his rushing ability. Rosen on the other hand saw ever single statistical category decline in his final six games except for completion percentage which was nearly identical. YPA decreased. TD:INT ratio decreased. Sack % increased. Passing ypg decreased.

Funny thing is too, he wasn't even this dominant a runner in college. I posted the stats before in another thread, but Allen's six games to finish the season may be the greatest six game stretch any QB has ever had in terms of rushing yards, rushing TD's and efficiency rushing. Only Mike Vick has one six game stretch that is on par with the one Allen had to finish the season last year.

Totally agree OP. Everyone wants to talk about Allen's accuracy. It does need to improve but I'm convinced it only needs to be improved a bit for him to be successful. Say, 58-59%. The biggest positives were the growth we saw from Allen in TD:INT and sacks per attempt. Throw in the ability to know when and how to run which lead to an insanely high YPC and you have a QB that can easily win half his games. Then all we need is Allen to increase his completion percentage by a few points and add an improved running game and we are a couple games above .500 and in the playoffs.

Thanks. I was wanting more of a breakdown on the passes. Yeah, i had figured it was at least 12 ypc in his final six games. I had calculated it to almost 9 ypc without deducting for the kneel downs and the 3rd 4th and 1 conversions.

The quote in bold by Daboll could be a reason why Allen's YPC sky rocketted in his final six starts of the season. Taking what the defense gives him with his legs. It would be nice if we could see these stats broken down from his first six starts vs. his last six starts. I'm betting they are similar but I do think we would see some improvement. His biggest improvement as a QB between his first six starts and last six were in number of sacks taken and TD:INT percentage. Those two things tell me he had learned to limit the big mistakes.

Rating mock drafts based on if they accurately predict correct player to correct team is the wrong way to look at it. That's damn near impossible. Especially outside of the top 5 picks. And even the top five picks can get screwy as we often see. The way to judge a mock is how many players they correctly projected in the first round. And the order in which each player is taken at a specific position. If you have one player being the first taken at his position but he ends up being taken 5th in reality that will drag your Mock down. That's the way I look at it at least.

He's got great postseason numbers but that's as much to do with just being on a great team and having opportunity. Is Wes Welker a HOFer? They basically played the same position in the same offense. Welker's numbers are basically double Edeleman's. At 32, Edleman probably only has two really good years left in him. So I don't think he'll come close to even matching what Welker did in the regular season. I'd say no with the caveat that if the Patriots continue to win and go deep in the playoffs, then his postseason resume might be too much to ignore. He already has three rings. If he finishes his career with 4 rings, one super bowl mvp and the all time leader in postseason receptions and yards then I don't see how you can keep him out even if his regular season numbers are not even in the top 100 all time.

I'm guessing the charts for Miami and the Jets aren't much better either. Pats have never had to worry about another 12+ win team in the division for the last 18+ years.

The NFL has survived for nearly 100 years with out VAR. We don't need VAR for every single play. And holding like many other penalties will always be subjective to a degree.

My theory is offense tends to get you to the big games. Better regular season record, division titles, first round bye's and therefore more often than not to the conference title games and Super Bowl. But once you are at the super bowl, the team with the better defense tends to win with more regularity. But typically speaking, both teams will have top 10 offenses or even better.

Hope they lose but be cool with whatever outcome happens. That's where I am at with the Pats. I'll end up in a mental institution if I harbor some of the hate for them that some on here have towards them.

Yeah saying he was Horry is slighting him too much. But he's not at the Duncan, Magic, Kobe, Jordan, Russell level either. Somewhere between.

Basically in this entire game, in terms or egregious bad or non calls, there was one bad call on the Rams and zero on the Pats? That's about as good as it gets in the NFL. You expect human refs to be better than this?? They would have to be perfect. zero/zero or 1/1 bad calls. That's not realistic. As the previous poster mentioned, Rams could have had 1st and 5 and they likely weren't moving the ball. Their offense was terrible. They missed opportunity after opportunity.

This. Numerous players throughout NBA history have won 5 or more titles. Many of the actual super star players too, not just role players who jumped around from winning team to winning team like Robert Horry. In the NFL you have two players Tom Brady and Charles Haley. Haley obviously falling more under the category of the Robert Horry type. Winning 5+ titles in the NFL or playing in 6+ super bowls is a far greater achievement. You just aren't supposed to do that in the NFL.

You can't over come one holding penalty in 3-3 ball game you have bigger problems. Bad calls happen all the time. This super bowl was actually one of the more fairly called games I've seen all year. Agree 100% with everything here.

They already ran the ball well this year. I believe they finished 5th in rushing yards which is the highest ranking of any Brady lead Patriot team I believe. I'm not sure how much improvement they need in that area. Michel is just the kind of back they need. And Burkhead is a good compliment. They will need to look for a replacement for Gronk and upgrades at the #2 and #3 WR position. Hogan doesn't seem to be cutting it.

They would be foolish to not look for the next Jimmy G. But it doesn't mean much. Kraft is in Brady's corner.

Considering all the great things said about him, it might be McVay. But I would take McVay over Goff. At worst, McVay is an Andy Reid type. You could do a lot worst than Andy Reid at the Head Coach position. I'm just not a big believer in Goff. Imagine if this Rams team had Nick Foles behind center last night. Hard to imagine they only manage 3 points behind a more experienced QB that doesn't fold.

Not a chance. I don't think Brady has talked about it, but I bet he would like to not only be the winning-est QB of all time but also hold every single major passing record. The only chance he has of achieving that is to play at least one more season than Brees, possibly two. He has a chance to become the all time leader in passing TDs next year if he can throw three more than Brees next season. Both will move ahead of Peyton for 1 and 2. But he is about 4,000 yards behind Brees in passing yards. So probably needs to play one more season than Drew who also doesn't seem to be considering retiring anytime soon. I wonder what year it was we started to seriously ask this question. 2013? 2014?