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Our guy is more athletic than Cam though which surprised the heck out of me. It say's most players gave their responses to the poll in November. Not a surprise that Allen wouldn't poll well. Allen mostly played like garbage up to that point.

Sounds like another guy on our team.

Hopefully this means Bills QB's continue to dominate against Gase coached teams.

Yeah but then you have to play baseball. Gouge your eyeballs out in Right Field.

Murray = Mayfield? So they can expect 7 or 8 wins next year?

I can't believe Renfrow is still at Clemson. I remember thinking he would be a great addition back when Watson won the Championship with Clemson. Wouldn't mind drafting him at all. Exactly. Even if it will never be the strength of Allen's game it's not like we aren't going to call those plays multiple times a game. If anything we should call more of them next season. I recall at least a couple times last year when we would throw 15+ yards down the field 3-4 straight times including on third and fourth downs when all we needed to do was pick up 7 or 8 yards.

Wait, so Peters never played LT for us?

I agree. I also am strong believer in having the low end tier of Franchise QB and high end tier. Flacco, Eli, Matt Stafford all low end tier guys.

For the same team? Franchise QBs don't bounce around from team to team. That's why Cousins isn't a real Franchise QB either. Your definition needs some fine tuning then.

This. Chargers have won a lot of big road games this year. Would love to see the Colts take down the Pats. That would be a reversing of the script. But the week leading up to the game and the Pats getting another home AFC Championship Game would suck.

How far the Bears and Ravens advance if at all will be the most telling. Those are the two best defenses in the playoffs. And their offenses are hardly high scoring. Bears did completely dismantle the Rams offense earlier in December.

Allen might not ever be a 4000 yard passer. And that could be just fine. The two comparisons we should be looking at with Allen are Mike Vick and Cam Newton. Between the two of them they have about 17 combined seasons as a starting QB in the NFL. They have combined to throw for over 4000 yards in only one season, Newton's rookie year. Going even further, in all those seasons, they have combined to throw for over 3500 yards only 4 times. Vick threw for over 3000 only twice in his career. Vick missed a lot more games then Cam due to injuries I assume. Both Vick and Newton, have career pass completion percentages below 60%. 56% for Vick and 59.7% for Cam. They both averaged about 7.5 rushes per game. Allen averaged 8.0 this season. Now we don't know what year two will hold. Allen and the Bills could make a concentrated effort to cut his running waaay back. Or they could continue to just let him play naturally. But assuming Allen rushes just a bit less but still 7 times a game for say 7.0 ypc he would rack up 784 yards on the season. So I would estimate his rushing yards to be somewhere between 720-860 yards on the season. Allen averaged 207 passing yards per game in his final six games. That would come out to 3,300 yards on a season. I'm hoping that is the floor for Allen next year. I'd say he throws for between 3,300 and 3,800 yards.

Some hyperbole in my statement obviously. But the overall point is that there wasn't really anything to be excited about after the first six games. If his last six games were just like his first six games 90% of the board would be talking about firing all the coaches and drafting another QB early. He really progressed in his last six games and showed why he was taken #7 overall. Yeah, I wast thinking floor a combination of Ozweiler/Bortles. His ceiling seems limitless now. Some sort of mix between Big Ben and Cam Newton with the legs of Kaepernick.

Same here. Complete 180 since the bye week and injury. Was happy after the Vikings game but then the Packers, Titans and Texans games were duds. And I thought this who Josh is. He just won't ever get it.

His conversion percentage is 100% I think. And he nearly broke one of them against the Jets for a possible 30+yard gain if he wasn't tackled by the shoestring. I think it works on first or second down but third or fourth down situations it's just too obvious.

I'll say this about Rosen, and I didn't catch any Arizona games at all this year really, compliments to him for just staying healthy the entire year. He took a ton of sacks and who knows how many more hits. He was thought of as being the most fragile but he was able to stay on the field. Not meant as a knock to any other QB, just something that I think is actually a positive if you are a Cardinals fan.

None of us did. I don't think there was any reason for us to believe he would be this prolific of a runner. He wasn't even this good a runner at the college level I don't think. It's remarkable what he did in the final six games. And he has two highlight reel plays that show his athleticism. Plays I have never seen a QB make. The hurdle over Barr and the juke and subsequent use of Kiko as a lead blocker. Here is another look at how he compares to the greatest rushing QB of all time, Mike Vick. Vick's two best six game rushing streaks in his career: 2004- 60 rushes 504 yards 8.4 ypc 1 TD 2006- 63 rushes 488 yards 7.7 ypc 0 TDs Josh Allen 2018- 54 rushes 476 yards 8.8 ypc 5 TDs After just reviewing the game logs of guys like Newton and RGIII i believe Allen's total of 476 yards in the third highest total in league history. And it is arguably better than Vicks when you consider the higher ypc and 5 TDs. The Detroit game was the only game I was not able to watch this year. I'm curious how Detroit was able to put the clamps on Allen in that game. 9 rushes for only 16 yards. I think there may have been a couple kneel downs in that game but still 16 yards is nothing for Josh.

Yes. 1. His athleticism was greatly underrated. Everyone said he was an athlete but none of us knew he was this much of an athlete. I think only Mike Vick has a more prolific six consecutive game rushing streak. Not Newton, not RGIII, not Kaepernick. 2. He showed progress as a passer in his first season. Six games before the bye week: 2 TDs / 5 INTs 21 sacks. Six games after the bye week: 8 TDs / 7 INTs only 7 sacks. The better awareness is obvious in the huge drop off in sacks taken. And he also learned how and when to use his legs after the bye.

Jackson's problem is that his current playing style and the way the Ravens are using him is likely not sustainable. Allen is finding the right spots to run. Especially since the bye week. That is why he is averaging an insane 8.8 ypc in his six games since the bye and coming back from the injury. He's doing this while still playing primarily as a QB. This should help him develop as a passer even faster than Jackson who is running nearly as much as he throws in some games. In his seven games Jackson has never thrown the ball more than 25 times. Allen has thrown the ball fewer than 25 times only once in his last six games. He's thrown it over 30 times 3 times including 41 times against the Patriots. And Allen has been hands down the more dynamic and efficient runner to close the season. The numbers aren't even close. Allen's averages in his final six games: 9 rushes 8.8ypc 476 yards 5TDs and only 4 fumbles and 7 sacks Since Jackson has started seven games, lets throw out his worst rushing game of the season, two weeks ago against the chargers where he was sacked 3 times, failed to score, fumbled the ball and carried the ball 13 times for 39 yards and 3.0ypc. His six game averages throwing out his worst game: 17.6 rushes 4.9ypc 517 yards 4 TDs and 9 fumbles and 12 sacks Keep in mind Allen has converted probably close to a half dozen 3rd/4th and 1's and multiple kneel downs. His yards per rush could probably be closer to 11.0 if we took out the kneel downs and short yardage conversions. Of course Jackson has probably had similar situations too I just don't know for sure and how many.

OP has the stats wrong. Gonna have to redo this one. Especially since yesterday was Allen's best game of the season and one of Darnold's worst.

I would categorize Allen as the same. He's only been running 9 times a game since he came back from the injury. Less actually because there are at least 5 kneel downs I think in that total. Compare that to Lamar Jackson who is running nearly twice as much as Allen.

I think he has done a great job of protecting himself on his runs. The only time he takes a beating is when he is trying to score a TD. That's understandable when you are trying to make a play at the goal line. Otherwise he does a great job of sliding. He often slides early and gives up yards. Where he is getting killed at times is inside the pocket.

I'd say it is: 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold/Allen (tie) 3. Jackson 4. Rosen Long term I probably like Rosen's odds of overtaking Jackson. But Rosen does have bigger bust potential. Jackson will always have a place on a roster due to his athletic ability alone. But as a legitimate franchise QB you just can't look to run as much as he does and expect to be successful long term. Allen isn't in the same boat as Jackson. Allen is a mobile QB but not a guy that looks to run first and run often. Allen might just be the most mobile QB we have ever seen. I think ranking Darnold and Allen as a tie right now is the most accurate thing to do. I believe they both have the same number of wins on the season. Both on pretty bad teams. Darnold was the better passer but that was expected. Allen's mobility really exceeded expectations. And I think Allen played noticeably better in the second half of the season compared to his first so it is easier to project him as playing better overall next year. It seemed like Darnold was about even in his up and down games from start to finish.

LOL. okay. Why are you so defensive about Allen not being a "stud" this season? I mean a QB should at least throw more TD's than INTs on the season to earn that nod. Or complete more than 50% of his passes. The funny thing is I LOVE Allen. I think he is going to be an absolute stud for us in the future. But I set a higher bar than you i guess. Allen absolutely was as stud as a runner no question. But I'm sure he would be the first one to tell you he needs to become a stud in the passing game.

And if he played the RB or WR position that would be a great thing. At the QB position though being 80% of the offense doesn't automatically mean you had a great year. You have to take into account more than that. Josh is on the right track. He should make this list next year as we project him to have more games like this one next year.