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The flex was all about him and Shady's little beef with each other after the trade. Certainly didn't see him flexing after Zay bulled his way into the endzone on the second TD or everytime Allen made him look like a peewee player in a varsity game.

So let me get this straight, you want a guy who can't win with Aaron Rodgers over a guy that dragged a subpar team into the playoffs last year and even have them somewhat competitive this year even though they've essentially treated the entire season as a sort of preseason?

It's not about O'Leary or Clay, it was about O'Leary or the other two clowns that have done nothing all year. We're going to need some tight ends if Daboll ever wants to run the evil empire's 12 personnel that they did back when it was Hernandez and Gronk.

Bills fans have a Too-Drunk-To-Know-What's-Happening Complex. When Cam had a performance like that his rookie year all you'd hear is "can't believe we took Dareus instead of Cam," like the Bills had a shot at Cam to begin with. Football isn't all stats. Football isn't just one guy on a "team" like basketball. Lots of nuances, strategy etc that 90% of people watching don't understand so they attempt to use stats to back up their hyperbolic and uninformed opinions. Get used to it. After all, this is the same fan base that said Kelly should be benched for Reich when he had a bad game.

I watched Ivory get run down by a corner from the opposite side of the field. McCoy fall into a pile for a yard. And I thought to myself how nice it would be to have a running game to take some pressure off of Allen.

Just completely ridiculous. The Milano penalty was ***** I'll give them that. He had perfect inside position and turned back for the ball but because the tight end threw his hands up it's a penalty. But the dumb ass penalty by Phillips when they had the stop and could've forced a field goal, that should be a benchable offense at the least. And we won't even go into the choke slam sack or Fitzpatrick tackling Zay before the ball was there, two huge penalties that would've made the game winning score a 10-15 yard run for Allen that weren't called. But here we are talking about an ugly looking pass that our 2nd rate tight end misjudged and fell down while trying to catch it. I think the biggest problem right now is guys just aren't doing the little things. Everyone is trying to win the game in a single play and it just doesn't work like that. Daboll and Allen need to get that short passing game going early. It works. I know the kid has a big arm but it should be something used sparingly, not every attempt should have to be for 20 yards on a 3rd and 17. Playing QB is all about rythmn and he can't get into it only throwing on 3rd down trying to pick up big chunks of yardage. Shady needs to aim for 5 yards and not 50 to the house and the receivers all need to concentrate on catching the bill first, everything else comes second.

Josh could have rings and the fanbase would still be arguing about one or two passes a game. The defense sucked today, but no one is talking about that. They gave the game away by literally picking the ball up and carrying it down the field for the Phins on their last drive with penalties.

I blame Clay only because he was trying to catch it in the endzone when all he had to do was catch it even if he ran out to the 2, still a first down with 40 odd seconds left.

No coincidence that the head ref was a Hoculi.

We'll see what the tape says come March and April. But I don't think you'll see him at guard. Maybe RT if the Process deems someone in the draft or free agency of taking over left tackle but he's been good at LT and those guys don't grow on tress. Much easier to fill the interior of the line with mid to late round picks or above average free agent signings. Not asked to do quite as much athletically as you are on the outside.

I mean if the alleged reason he kicked her out isn't disgusting enough (not putting out for one of his crew)... then he proceeds to try to physically fight her. I mean, someone in the thread said this was weak but I see multiple people holding him back and he still manages to inflict some damage. Imagine if it was just him and her.

You want your shot at the best skill players. Doesn't matter how long Allen has in the pocket if no one is getting open. Left tackle typically goes high in the draft but that's a spot that seems to be locked up with Dawkins. So do you hope Dawkins can translate to the right side? I like the free agent class of offensive linemen more than I like the receiver class. That's going to be another factor but as it stands, I want young weapons for Allen.

I would go Harry in the first and the tight end from Mizz in the second. Worry about the o line in free agency and later in the draft.

3-3 as a starter (maybe 4-2 if he doesn't get hurt against Houston) in his rookie season on an offense that seems to be pretty void of talent and all of them learning a new scheme. Robbed of reps and playing time in the off season and training camp. No running game to speak of (unless he's the one running). No tight ends. A #1 receiver who should be playing tight end. I mean, yea it hasn't been pretty. He has had the decked stacked against him more so than any other rookie or 2nd year QB this year. I'd say he'd be the talk of the town playing for Houston or Kansas City. I think everyone should sit back, relax and let the rest of the season play out at least because your opinion will change from week to week. Obviously if we lose, you'll hate him and if we win, you'll love him. Best to have a bit more of a long term outlook.

Well if Reid wanted him that bad, then hell no. That would just mean he's even better than Mahommes.

Because most fans have no idea what they are watching and are so drunk they can only focus on the negative. Maybe if they watched other football teams they would see every QB makes bad passes. I watched Brees throw a couple bad passes against the Falcons. Brady throws a duck or two a game. The only thing Allen is currently lacking is consistency and that just comes with reps. If it was on 30 attempts you might have a gripe.

And who the hell do you plan on drafting? People like you are what's wrong with sports. You can't build a winning culture without wins. I'd rather win out and have free agents lining up outside OBD than draft 6 instead of 16.

Mayfield is the next Brees. There's nothing to figure out with his game, the guy throws with amazing accuracy. I honestly didn't think his game would transfer to the NFL level because of the division he played in, team he played for etc. but I think the Browns have a good one finally. Battle for Erie in the AFC Championship in a couple years?

Not to mention Jalen got burned himself on that throw to Benjamin. Dude's a piece of *****.

Did you see how absolutely awful Tyrod was this year? And now Baker is tearing it up with the same team? Just stop with this garbage. Tyrod Taylor is a garbage quarterback. The story is written.

Considering his own QB is trash and the only play he made was a pick after shoving the receiver out of bounds, maybe he should just shut the ***** up.

That's great and all but I liked his shorter game today. He also hit a bit of a cold spot somewhere in the 3rd where he was off target on a couple. If it wasn't for incessant penalties today Allen had about 250 yards passing, a 100 yard rushing game and a couple touchdowns. He really could be special. He definitely looked like he's been benefiting from a couple of real QBs in the room the past few weeks.

I bet the Jags wish they had a good corner like Tre White.

Rookie QB? Check. $90 million in cap space this coming off season? Check. 10 draft picks ? Check. Top 10 defense? Check. Not sure what part we're behind in?

These guys play for Allen. Allen is the future, that much is established and you have to treat this like he's the starter. That's what he was drafted for.