Kirby Jackson

I don’t disagree at all with that. It could be as simple paying the players (which may be coming anyways).

Apples to Oranges at this point but if the NCAA feels “threatened” by minor league football (which will never happen) they will call on the NFL to change the 3 year out of HS rule. They will absolutely acquiesce to that in fear of losing top flight talent to another football league. These minor leagues, are never, and have never competed with the top level of collegiate athletics!! The money isn’t there and won’t ever be there.

He’s old but he doesn’t have a lot of mileage. He’s certainly not here for a while but he’s a really good player. It isn’t crazy to think that he is the RT for 3 years.

Oh man, I forgot about that guy!!

Fisher? Yeah, I think Boettger and Teller have a shot at the PS if they don’t make the team. Those guys may get picked up though. Our OL talent is much improved. We are talking about cutting guys that started last year. They are probably at least depth guys somewhere. I think Teller makes the team but it certainly isn’t a lock.

They aren’t keeping 10 OL. I’m going to say that Boettger and Felciano get cut (or they don’t draft any OL). OL as I see it: Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Long-Nsekhe Swing OT: Waddle Depth interior: Teller (with Long going to center) 8th guy: Felciano or a draft pick Jawann Taylor There is pretty much no chance that the Bills go OL at 9.

He hasn’t been marginal though. He has been a borderline dominant player but played behind 2 early picks (one of whom is an All-Pro). Nsekhe is our best OT now. He’s just old. He’s probably a 2-3 year solution.

Just seeing this but the Bills are getting Spain according to Spain:

Tom Brady has already been addressed in this thread. The Seahawks kept Sherman, Thomas, Wagner, Wilson, Baldwin, Avril, Wright, Lynch, Chancellor and Bennett on 2nd contracts. The salary cap in 2015 when they were working on this was $42M less than this year. I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as falling apart? The cap increasing at the rate that it does makes this simple. The Saints were the first team to master it. They kick the can down the road until their window closes. When Brees retires, they will take a year like the Bills just did and reset it. No one does that while their window is open. No one has “cap issues.” That’s a fallacy. I’m not trying to be a jerk or pick on you specifically. People are always talking about what a “bad guy someone is” when he holds out or asks for more money. The reality is that’s the ONLY leverage that they have in this system. This isn’t a game to them. This is their career. We have a hard time relating to that but it is just like our careers. No one takes a “company friendly deal.” We all expect to be paid the market value of our services. I don’t mean to spend so much time on the soapbox but this is a topic I feel strongly on.

You certainly alluded to it!! There is never a team that is ever in jeopardy of not keeping the guys that they want. If they have to have them they can BERY easily. So you don’t care about their earning window but they shouldn’t either? Would you be cool if people found it “refreshing” if you worked for less than your market value? I know I sure as hell wouldn’t want that. I want to be paid what I’m worth. There is also a MAJOR difference between cap space and contract. The largest cap hit of any QB is 15.7% of the cap. If you don’t think that the right QB is worth that then we don’t agree. Also, you aren’t keeping star players on “team friendly deals.” You pay market value. It is great to have rookie contracts and everyone agrees with that. It isn’t however a bad thing that a guy wants to get paid what he’s worth. There has never been one reasonable argument that they are out of line.

It’s probably both (plus any obstructed view seats). We used to report a capacity of 16,188 but there were many a playoff game where we had over 18,000 in the building.

You can’t estimate $0 because they wouldn’t have been able to start the year. There is/was a bare minimum number to reach the expenses and they didn’t hit it (not surprising). One of my best friends is the COO of one of the AFL teams and I have the EXACT concern. He’s a smart guy and has a ton of experience but I have little to no faith that the league will work this time. I thought that it was a short-sighted and stupid decision on his part.

It’s the revenue number that was an estimate. The expenses are/were pretty easy to define but the revenue numbers are a total projection. Obviously season tickets, groups, sponsorships, etc... are pretty stable but those variable revenues (single game tickets, concessions, etc..) are a crapshoot.

I mean we can easily do the exact same twitter poll. It’s just tough to get 150k votes without someone with a big (and neutral) following. As an example, and I hate him, Skip Baylee’s has 2.8M followers. If he were to tweet out that poll we would have a real answer. OBJ has 3.8M followers but if he tweeted it out obviously it would heavily lean towards the Browns.

We need to have someone with a real, and neutral, following start a rival poll with Bills vs. Browns. We can spin all of the traffic there to get a real answer.

That’s the kind of move that may make sense. Resurrecting the NFL Europe is an option too. You aren’t going to have success here with minor league football. These teams are NEVER going to be higher than the 2nd most popular team in a market and in some cases may be a 3rd or 4th option. If you are in Orlando for example you might like the Bucs, the Gators and UCF more than the Apollos. How are they supposed to compete? Who is paying for that?

Yeah, it certainly may negatively impact other sports but so be it. Football is the cash cow. Big 10 schools are getting $52M a piece, per year for the TV deal. The history and wealth of college football programs will never be competed with. The alumni and the TV networks will never allow that to happen.

Won’t happen though, because the NCAA will just adjust if this ever happened. They’d start paying players or doing whatever was necessary. They have tons of money and power. No startup league could ever possibly compete with their might.

Twitter is amazing!! I’ve been there for just over 10 years (10 years last week actually). You can find everything that you could possibly want within 5 seconds. It’s quick, interesting and can be customized to your interests. It is far and away the best social media platform IMO.

Titans are up 8%

Why should they support it? The real players have ALWAYS come straight from the college ranks. The NFL has no reason to throw away money on trying to find a handful of players to play special teams. This league would be a complete waste of money for them. Additionally, no player worth $.10 is going to risk injury for $80K a year. Even a minor injury could knock these guys out of an NFL opportunity and 5-10X the money. There has never been and will never be a successful minor league for football. You will have college football on Saturdays and the NFL on Sundays.

You want to draft 10 linemen?

That is TERRIBLE

To my original question then, “why shouldn’t they be out for themselves?” The team can cut ties and cancel a contract whenever they want. Why shouldn’t the players be able to do the same? Why is it a bad thing to maximize your worth? Their earning window is less than 10 years long. Why is it bad to make as much as you can in that period? I will NEVER understand that logic and I give my reasons in an earlier post. The team isn’t ever in jeopardy of running out of money or space. It is so, so, so, so easy to create. That is something that the owner’s hide behind to not pay a player more. It’s a bs reason. You aren’t “hurting the team” by asking for more money. You are hurting the billionaires that have to pay it. Again, why root for billionaires over millionaires?