Kirby Jackson

Some time between going to work at about 8:00 AM and coming home at 12:30 I got the mouse!! Finally!!! It was in one of those plastic snap traps with the jaws.

Good dude. That makes me really want this guy to succeed. I like when people do things without the cameras on. He didn’t do it for recognition. He did it because he’s a good guy.

Yeah, a lot of the best threads end up when the opinions are so vastly different. That holds especially true when there are valid arguments on both sides. As much as we are all over Tyrod discussions that’s part of the reason that there were so many. You could easily make a case that he was really good or really bad. There is evidence to support both sides. It depends on perspective.

It’s certainly an interesting conversation. There is a ton of evidence on all sides of the conversation. It’s infinitely more interesting than “Peterman sucks” and “Tre White is great.”

Dwayne Haskins up to 11 on Kiper’s big board.

I forgot that he existed.

You are making my point. They’ve had 34 drafted over the last 3 years and this is the most talented team yet. Again, there are nfl starters now that weren’t drafted (and didn’t start at Alabama). If you think that ‘Bama guys are on meal programs like college kids you really don’t know big time college football. Here’s a look at their $14M nutrition facility: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-football/news/alabama-football-crimson-tide-video-photos-twitter-nutrition-facility-college-football-ncaa/1smhonxn9x1cf1mxh1so8mc0b0. They employe 5 performance chefs and 4 dietitians. With all due respect, at Alabama and some other major programs football is their life. It is the minor leagues. That is their responsibility. Lifting programs start younger and younger. The high school football programs around here employe full time strength coaches just for the football teams. If you were to look at the strength numbers of the Alabama players and stack it next to the Bills it would be virtually identical. Again, the entire conversation is about THIS Alabama team. I’d bet any amount of money that you wanted that 30+ guys on this roster go to the NFL. They are not similar to “insert solid program here.” This is an evolving machine. It is the top recruits with the top coach. It is at an all-time high. They’ve won every game by over 20 points. This is the outlier. I still say 30-10.

This probably belongs in the embarrassing sports take thread but I thought he was going to be an elite pass rusher. I honestly, got a little excited when I saw Moore on this list. Da Monster was a double-digit sack guy imo.

Ha ha, I actually learned the rules of cricket on a cruise ship from an Aussie. It was funny because the Australians, the people from India and the West Indies all said that the others didn’t know what they were talking about. I’m by no means an expert but have a working knowledge of what’s happening and I kinda like it.

I watch every game that way and have no issues.

This is appalling. Foster belongs in jail not on waivers. I guess that we shouldn’t be surprised the team that signed Junior Galette wouldn’t have an issue with a guy that beats women.

I too hate Alabama but respect the hell out of them. What Saban has been able to do, with such a small margin of error, is absolutely incredible. I’m hoping that they get knocked off again this year but I just don’t see it.

I think that this is fair. I don’t think all 11 starters on the Bills offense will be long-term starters either. Many guys are there out of necessity not raw skill. They are starting a guy this year that couldn’t start at Alabama last year. There are multiple guys on Alabama’s offense that could start on ours tomorrow (Williams, Pierschbacher and Jeudy) without question. That doesn’t even get into their RBs or QB who are all considered ELITE prospects. I think that their offense could score once against us. The point about them not being near their ceiling is fair. As good as their defense is, I still have the Bills scoring 30 and winning by 20. I just don’t see the places where the Bills are dominating them. The most natural spot is between the tackles and Alabama is starting 2 1st rounders against Miller, Teller and Bodine. The interior of the Bills defense is the biggest mismatch but Tua sets up quicker than any QB I can remember. The Bills would give them a very hard time but they would still make some plays based on their elite talent. Harris, Jeudy, Tua, Ruggs and the other Harris is an incredible skill group. It is reminiscent of when the U had Andre Johnson, Portis, Gore, Winslow and Willis.

I just gave you the reason that you have to take a multi-year sample. Their careers overlap. Quinnen Williams, Raekwon Davis and Deionte Thompson will go in the 1st round this year. Patrick Surtain cannot go into the draft. He’s a future NFL player on this defense, this year. You can look at the 2018 Alabama defense as a unit but you can’t only count the guys in the NFL, in 2019, as all of the NFL players. That is kind of Gunner’s point. This isn’t Syracuse, UB, or Boston College where the top guys make the NFL. The backups on Alabama were WAY more highly recruited than the top guys at a program like BC (or literally anywhere else). They are a roster of future NFL players. It’s just a matter of when their time to go to the league is. Over the most recent 5 year cycle (a full college career) they had 20 defensive players taken in rounds 1-4. That doesn’t count guys like Levi Wallace that didn’t get drafted or Shaun Dion Hamilton drafted after round 4. If anything, Gunner was very conservative when giving that list. There are plenty more guys that can be added to draw the line on “NFL player.”

I think that you missed the point. Those guys weren’t cherry picked at all. That is every Alabama defensive player, over the last 5 years, to go in the 1st 4 rounds. There will be a bunch more this year. There will be a bunch more next year. You need to be 3 years out of high school to enter the NFL draft. Not every guy will play in the NFL next year. Not every guy will be there by the year after. Patrick Surtain Jr. is a true freshman, the number 1 CB recruit in the country, and a key player. Is he bad because he can’t be in the NFL until 2021? He’s on this team and ABSOLUTELY will be an NFL player, just not next year. That’s why you need a multi-year sample size.

Hmmm, never heard of him...

I added Paradis and Saffold in FA

No issue at all with this. He is really bad. I’d keep throwing things against the wall until you find one that sticks.

Here comes the hyperbole police....who on Alabama is 17? Robert Foster is a 24 year old rookie. Last year he was a 23 year old college kid. Tre White was a 22 year old rookie. Tremaine Edmunds is a 20 year old starting MLB. Jonah Williams is a 21 year old LT. The point is the overwhelming majority of guys playing at Alabama are as old as the young guys on the Bills.

This was a natural next step. There will be a public-private partnership that will come together to bring the Bills and Sabres up to modern standards. I still believe that we are looking at a new football stadium and an upgraded arena but we will see. Either way this will be a joint effort like they pretty much all are these days.

This is fair. The speed in a one game sample would be a huge adjustment. It’s smaller for them though than any other college team between practice, the SEC and Clemson every year. I don’t think ANY reasonable person thinks that they can win. I have a 20 point game mostly because I think that their defense would hold their own against the Bills. They have so much offensive talent that I have them scoring once. I have them kicking a FG as well off of a turnover.

The answer is simple, they didn’t grow up with the game. The overwhelming majority of Americans didn’t grow up playing hockey. They didn’t grow up with friends that played. In terms of participation in this country it is well behind things like golf, track, swimming, etc... It is expensive to play and regionlized to a great degree. There are places in this country (I live in one) where it is like cricket. The people don’t know the players, the rules, etc... It isn’t even on the radar.

Nope