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Our white on white with our white helmets is such a good look. That should be our permanent road uniform.

As is tradition. No, we actually read the OP where he immediately addresses that and predicts we will only have 4-6 wins.

Holy crap we are in trouble when our forced fumble number regresses to the mean.

No one is suggesting that, stop being ridiculous. Our punter is making insane mistakes, this is a very appropriate discussion. Thankfully the team brought in two punters to workout so they're acknowledging the issue and looking into it.

You think that blunder can happen twice in a season...because he's a rookie? Have you ever seen a holder just randomly stand up then immediately try to place the ball before? It's actually been two horrible plays in 5 games.

As someone stated earlier, Brett Favre is the ultimate example. In recent years, starters that were former “projects” in the draft were Wilson, Big Ben, Flacco, Tannehill. Tannehill is what it looks like when a project QB improves significantly from their rookie year but ends up having a lower ceiling than initially projected.

David Lee was named their QB Coach. The man is a living miracle. Over 40 years of pro-level QB coaching and hardly a single talented QB to hang on the resume.

I hope they brought in punters because they realized two critical errors in 5 games is way too much for a punter, and not because he dinged up his non-punting shoulder.

I rarely do this... but, dude come on. This is being discussed in like 1,000 places. On what planet is this is a hot take worthy of a new thread?

I think a fair value is a 3rd...however they’re in desperation mode. I genuinely don’t move him without a 2nd or 1st in 2020.

Himdsight is a factor, but this is undeniably a solid point. It’s not like there weren’t plenty of us calling for Watson or Mahomes either.

“Why didn’t you just throw it in the middle of the field there?”

Me too. Good thing we cut one of them today.

We remember.

“Hey let’s cut a guy that played well when thrust into his first regular season action!” Seriously, who was the guy that completely whiffed the tackle on Williams’ long punt return yesterday? We can’t cut that guy?

Anyone else cringe every time they see the “island” nickname?

You attended the game and want to trade McCoy?

Jerry Hughes looks like he's being held on every single play ever.

It's worse than middling. Daboll has flamed out three times majorly as an NFL OC. I'm not sure how many guys get a fourth opportunity. If/when he fails here, I would be absolutely shocked if he got another chance.

People love the Aikman comparison anytime a rookie QB doesn't look good.

My level of fandom is actually at a pretty great spot these days. I think I’ve got it right where it needs to be in case they ever get good, without feeling like I’ve completely abandoned them when they were bad. For the record - when they hit that “obviously missing the playoffs” in Week 12, I usually do other stuff while the game is on. The last few years we’ve been in it until the end, but that’s been rare.

What crusade am I on exactly? I said at least it was exciting to watch. You highlighted three blowouts he had against NE. Newsflash EVERY ONE OF OUR COACHES HAS BEEN BLOWN OUT BY NE. His one win and other close shootout loss were probably two of the most exciting Bills games of the last 20 years - and not even because they were particularly fantastic, but because we looked like a modern NFL offense. That offense was more exciting. If you disagree, you're the one on a crusade.

What’s your point?

Terrible OL and a bunch of no-name WRs? Remember when Chan Gailey had a worse group so he spread the offense, focused on quick passes and started going toe-to-toe with the Patriots through the air? At the very least it was fun to watch.

Pot, kettle.