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Similarly I’d challenge: we don’t know how long Josh will last and this WR selection will be among the most defining pieces of our window the next couple years. Do you play games with that in order to get a third? Or do you get that guy if he’s there?

Yea, if you stay put or fall back you really limit the pool unless as you mention you get 2 guys. other vet trades- had interest in Hopkins previously and could still be the bridge to a guy like leggette being ready. Not a star at this point but would be a win now vet presence

even if not a career guy for the bills- if he’s elite and he’s paired with Josh as an elite prospect he should be a star in the league he will a superstar haul to trade in 5 years tyreek was a 1-2-4-4-6(?) if we trade up we could reasonably expect to get a lot of the haul back

I still think people are forgetting that the pats with miss scored 140 points more than we did last year and in one fewer game. they were an absolute buzz saw a true menace to the league. and they got unlucky at the worst time but boy would I be good to go with that route instead of the chiefs 2023 model

It’s just worrisome to walk into the year with samuel- Shakir - 3rd tier rookie that is not a slam dunk and even if good likely takes some time to get there. I said it elsewhere but the idea that we could be week 1 with Shakir- a very green leggette -shorter and hollins if Curtis Samuel rolls an ankle or pulls a muscle in camp is not great. suddenly it puts some of that super man requirement on Josh way too early in the season

I got a little curious and clicked through a few old profiles and will agree that the smith writeups/grades were a shade higher than I expected. In my head he wasn’t a guy that had quite the accolades that he actually did i keep think of jamarr chase as that gold standard type player, right? Prototype athleticism, big production, and both a high floor and a high ceiling. Unlikely to bust, and truly having expectation that he could be in the rare air at the top. The Andrew luck qb. The aj green/Julio Jones draft year for wr. I’ll be totally honest, I haven’t spent a ton with this set of 3. Post-diggs I spent a little more and am working on my opinions that I think they are a cut above the normal top wr prospects, and working on whether my convictions are truly in the next level or if there may be some 1.5er talent mixed in there like you referred to smith (and of course that doesn’t mean bust like smith but more potential on the table for that to happen).

cash now is the easy part with bonus amortizations I don’t think you can go into a dynamic day with a singular approach, in most cases you have to see where value lands. That said it sure would be tough to reach the regular season with Samuel, Shakir and a second rounder those guys tend to take some time to acclimate AND heaven forbid there’s any hiccups or an injury to Samuel. shakir-round 2 rookie as our primary options the first half of the year could be a real challenge.

largely, agreed. it’s a short window and to pretend Brady and mahomes aren’t the true issue at hand in this debate is a real challenge. to think you can’t because of the last decade-ish is both challenging data and looking to confirm an opinion. Had the falcons held on in 28-3 does it really materially affect this debate and make one say it’s one of the few proven ways to break through the Brady-mahomes wall as opposed to currently being an impossible strategy? id love a cheap great wr, but I know they are more predictable if you get a top tier instead of waiting.

though it sure would be a nice luxury. I feel like many are neglecting that the 2007 pats, using the hall of fame qb-wr-te model scored 140 more points than last years bills- and in 1 fewer game. it’s not been common to document that success because it would be a rare opportunity to align all that and it’s not a particularly sustainable long term model but sign me up for a few years of it

I would agree it’s ridiculous to say nabers would make us 18-1 just like investing in him would also not exclude us from being in the Super Bowl the eras argument in draft busts is about the wild changes in both pipeline development and evaluation and last up, again, I’m saying that you can’t just look at top picks in past years in a vacuum. I used the luck vs mayfield as an obvious and extreme example but in this case these 3 are grading out better than the top picks in past years in advance of the draft. In advance they are grading like jamar chase, not Henry ruggs. if you looked at luck, mayfield and Jamarcus and then are looking a rare prospect in the face is the cautionary tale that qbs bust a lot at 1, or that qbs often get over drafted if there isn’t an elite one and that second tier remains spotty but often is the best available and you really should grab the elite tier 1A guy when he’s there without as much fear? I think WR also has some of that trend and whether or not we go get one, someone’s getting rare prospects at the position this year. ((I feel most comfortable with that stance on Harrison, pretty good with nabers, don’t know odunze enough to have a major conviction)

you are starting to blend eras, and commentary in ways that aren’t super productive for anyone. To how these guys are seen objectively - nabers for instance is rated by nextgen stats at a 92 and is universally expected to be gone by 6 while ruggs was an 87 and went 12th. As I was saying, there’s a little gap. baker mayfield and Andrew luck were both well liked qbs in their respective drafts but in trying to grade our guys if you think you have a true andrew luck prospect you probably would lean on those next cut of elite qb prospects as comparable and not simply any and all “first qb off the board” types also if nabers brings us an undefeated season SIGN ME UP. That moss and Julio happened to land on noteworthy Super Bowl losing teams doesn’t lead me to believe elite wrs can’t win.

I remember jeudy ruggs and lamb as the best in that class. I do not recall them being considered generational prospects. We are talking picks 12, 15 and 17.

At this point, let’s lose the Super Bowl instead of the divisional jokes aside, the idea that the falcons somehow didn’t get great value securing Julio is silly. That the OP points to it as a reason they went 4-12 one season is laughable. How many wins does he think an extra 1 and 2 would’ve resulted in? If looking at key threads through the last 20 years you must be in on this news that Brady would consider playing. that he and mahomes had elite TEs, and had moss and tyreek as late round grabs doesn’t make me feel like getting a moss or tyreek early in the draft would ruin us.

for the teams it at least helps the travel situation week 1

he’s not going to like 31 other fan bases either or, he’s kind of a jerk in reality but wants to be liked so he tries to put on the show and there are a lot of cracks in that veneer I think that makes more sense than being legit bipolar but who knows

Maybe I am using hindsight but when recalling top ten WR the last decade I dont recall white, Ross or Davis being considered can’t miss generational talents in the way you do these 3, chase, Julio/green were considered THAT guy. I won’t say I’m an expert in this top three but it feels like they are universally regarded in that tier that doesn’t bust much as opposed to the other category that were just the best options in their given year. the Ross/white/waddle/smith/London/Wilson crew feel like they are more akin to this years second tier and those are coin flip guys.

ouch. That’s a steep jump. Essentially tripling your cost?

oh yea I didn’t mean in the sense that their style is similar but that they are full washouts right now… Isabella having the perk of at least being league minimum pay where burk has the challenge of a $3m salary (not huge, but effects how you manage him)

He’s a more expensive version of Isabella, right? Or has he actually established any presence as a foundation to justify reps beyond his drags position? I’ve not seen a ton of him

that was an absolute wall of text to tell a professional football board that college basketball is better. Seems like keystrokes wasted.

you are also comparing to an era where there were far fewer yards in the passing game. A 2020s receiver needs to solidly surpass an 80s-90s guy right now diggs only stretch as a WR1 fit a team didn’t even have him WR1 in his division for a lot of it. how many WRs can get in from his era?

being accurate isn’t the same as being constructive towards reaching your goals even if you concede him as accurate, has he used any of those in a way that was bettering everyone’s outcome?

the OP definitely blurs today vs overall as well we the player vs the man he’s been a great on field player 3 of 4 years I think he will be remembered More like a hired hand than a beloved bill he will be more TO than Fred or Kyle

it was basically copy/paste Minnesota

even then you aren’t looking for a diamond in the rough. You are looking for a guy that maybe knows your terminology ideally, perhaps has any reps running an nfl huddle or calling a play like we would go down a list of Barkley and Kyle allen, anyone we had in camp, guys that played under Brady or his peers running the same system, then the Joe flaccos of the world before getting to the eagles day 3 pick on the practice squad randomly that we kinda liked but couldn’t play in a viable way this Sunday