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I would find it absolutely shocking if beane wanted to aggressively tie himself to diggs even longer by creating more dead money with him after last years behavior all year and close to the season on field. makes almost no sense. we didn’t even convert all of joshs salary either, as another indicator there was no need to restructure diggs again who is a much worse candidate than Josh for that I thought he was dinged up too- but I suspect we will know quickly if so. he won’t keep quiet if there’s a chance for him to excuse his stats down the stretch, yet alone a reason that could make him look like a good guy gutting it out Heck, even if he wasn’t hurt I half expect it

I’d say it’s more akin to an open container in the car than an outrage over weed issue

where did I say he wasn’t good? it was absolutely fun while it lasted as they are talented guys accomplishing impressive things. He will likely not be beloved in the way tre, our safeties, or going back a Fred Jackson or Kyle Williams were. he was a great football player. He may be more of a good bill though. do you believe he will be remembered as a beloved icon of Buffalo football in this era, or moreso as a high achiever here in passing?

either way, no one’s trying to trade for a guy to force a holdout to show up against his will even if they could.

“I’m going to tell them I’m not showing up if you send me to the panthers” is not pretty but would accomplish what he wants

i think he’d have to look real good in pre season to have any chance that another team is poaching him from the squad to put on their 53. Most are pretty entrenched with the top 2, if not 3. to have 3 be a late round pick that doesn’t know your system because you added him late means you saw something in 4th quarter preseason play that you didn’t in scouting

I suppose by that standard you think lance produced fully to his own ceiling? I think similarly as a guy that had to earn his reps both based on draft status and a crowded offense with both WR but also very good TE and pass catchers out of the backfield he probably had untapped potential in his peak. if we draft a major wr (especially trade up) Shakir will be WR3 with Kincaid and cook also taking noteworthy targets. He could play VERY well and not get beyond that 60 catch 900 yard and 8 TD range. do that 4-5 years (maybe a little more with the longer season!), go to another team and sunset there would be an excellent career for the guy. and if we trade up for a wr that’s probably not an unfair look at his role behind that guy and Kincaid the next few years

for lance I could add a 52 catch 8 TD season he missed 2 games during and it’s 4 out of 5 years across his peak Im bringing you (excluding one year he was out most of the season). 4 years of 50-80 catches and amassing 32 tds is a think a really solid role player. if that’s shakirs next 5 years he had a solid run and will be 29(?). 4 of those 5 better than his current high water mark. if toning down the lecturing from a throne, I’m a saints season ticket holder and also not just comparing stats but to a guy I watched in person weekly for those 5 years. undersized, good yac (lance did handle kicks for a bit) 4.5 speed, slippery guy as wr2-3 in an offense with playmakers at te, and rb too.

yup. also We don’t see a lot of his off field but if you set aside the basic he’s a player stuff- I think the “don’t want him to date my sister” was always more than just that he was prolific with women and also that not a lot of teammates would want him at their thanksgiving table, proverbially he’s talented, he’s hard working, he can contribute to winning but I think he likely struggles immensely with who he is vs who he wants to be seen as. Charisma and success buy him a lot of plausible deniability but there are a lot of reasons to think he’s not consistently pleasant. I do think he wants to be liked/admired.

diggs is a good player but you only want to get the questions about his tweets, comments, missed workouts etc… so many times. fun while it lasted but completely predictable finish too. No hard feelings but diggs will be a hired hand and not a truly beloved bill when memories of this era crystallize.

kupp had 92 and 94 catches the two years prior tied for 11th and outright 9th in the league with Goff at qb. Stafford is very wr friendly but lets not pretend about kupp being a west coast nfc team he wasn’t a household name especially here but I think he was a wr1 unless you mean wasn’t wr1 for the entire nfl as for Moore- top 3 seasons would be: 65-1041-6 79-928-10 66-763-8 Solid yac guy who did some punt/kick returns. Not a ton but I call it out as a testament to him being able to move with the ball.

I’ll say again- lance moore, not kupp. who is still a great contributor but not an elite player

1 year of diggs 50m in cap impact 0 years, 31m in cap impact and a second round pick theres definitely value

he got traded because he has declining skill and increasing drama If he were Justin Jefferson on the field he’d be here even if he talked about beanes mom

why might beane do a big move? pick 6- 4 years 28m projected contracts for chase and Jefferson- 4 years 120m those cost control picks are great but if beane saves 92m by hitting on this pick you can fill a lot of holes with decent vets instead of draft picks 92m saved and you sign a mid tier safety, instead of drafting a project at 60, similar commentary towards a center perhaps. Steal a mercenary pass rusher like Floyd for a year as a bridge if needed. You just can do a lot with proven players with 92m instead of hoping for picks in the late 20s-60s but you have to nail the pick

At 32 that will be a dicey path. he may come out ahead but staying put and being pleasant in Buffalo probably would’ve given him a higher probability of staying near his ceiling for earnings. if he has a monster year he keeps loosely on track for his voided paychecks- maybe a modest increase but not huge. if he stumbles even a little he becomes a 1 year 10m a year type of guy next year quickly

I do think a slight reframing is helpful: instead of calling it dead money, the bills are accounting for $31m in previously paid dollars that they would need to account for whether they kept him or not. they do however save $22m in future guarantees

interesting twist. so you have to think they are hoping a monster year means both a Super Bowl birth and getting a 3rd round comp back for the 2 they traded

the only really frustrating part is we weren’t as aggressive early in joshs rookie contract. you can get 3 or so extra stars when you are saving 50-60m at qb

The demarcation about cut vs expiring contract is his prior team choosing to dispel their rights to him vs the player leaving without restriction (an untendered rfa doesn’t count either for instance because the prior team explicitly chose not to keep him). essentially an expiring contract is another team pulling a player and you can’t stop them even if you want to. With that You could gain a pick, the other team could lose a pick. a guy that was on the practice squad and not on a 53 man roster I do not believe counts in that any more than a guy in the cfl or rugby player or Lebron James or a player that was out of the league would that said it would be very rare for a guy to go from PS to meaningful contract that would qualify so I can’t even think of a test case to look at

I don’t believe practice squad guys count, do they? that said it would be an anomaly for a PS guy to turn around and get a big deal

I think the classic “you need nearly twice as many bodies for camp and you never know if vandemark has a jet ski” signing. If he somehow returns to form: awesome. if he gets part way there a jumps RVD: awesome If he’s behind RVD you at least have a vet that knows the building and the calls if you get caught with a run of injuries and if he’s total trash- no loss.

in my defense, I have not been on his bandwagon in a bit

were they more worried about him than gabe? Sure. were they up at night trying to figure out how to contain tyreek or Jefferson when they came to Buffalo? No way.

that of course risking that the market dries up and if we were making another free agent splash with this years dollars we could’ve converted more of joshs salary to offset this