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though it sure would be a nice luxury. I feel like many are neglecting that the 2007 pats, using the hall of fame qb-wr-te model scored 140 more points than last years bills- and in 1 fewer game. it’s not been common to document that success because it would be a rare opportunity to align all that and it’s not a particularly sustainable long term model but sign me up for a few years of it

I would agree it’s ridiculous to say nabers would make us 18-1 just like investing in him would also not exclude us from being in the Super Bowl the eras argument in draft busts is about the wild changes in both pipeline development and evaluation and last up, again, I’m saying that you can’t just look at top picks in past years in a vacuum. I used the luck vs mayfield as an obvious and extreme example but in this case these 3 are grading out better than the top picks in past years in advance of the draft. In advance they are grading like jamar chase, not Henry ruggs. if you looked at luck, mayfield and Jamarcus and then are looking a rare prospect in the face is the cautionary tale that qbs bust a lot at 1, or that qbs often get over drafted if there isn’t an elite one and that second tier remains spotty but often is the best available and you really should grab the elite tier 1A guy when he’s there without as much fear? I think WR also has some of that trend and whether or not we go get one, someone’s getting rare prospects at the position this year. ((I feel most comfortable with that stance on Harrison, pretty good with nabers, don’t know odunze enough to have a major conviction)

you are starting to blend eras, and commentary in ways that aren’t super productive for anyone. To how these guys are seen objectively - nabers for instance is rated by nextgen stats at a 92 and is universally expected to be gone by 6 while ruggs was an 87 and went 12th. As I was saying, there’s a little gap. baker mayfield and Andrew luck were both well liked qbs in their respective drafts but in trying to grade our guys if you think you have a true andrew luck prospect you probably would lean on those next cut of elite qb prospects as comparable and not simply any and all “first qb off the board” types also if nabers brings us an undefeated season SIGN ME UP. That moss and Julio happened to land on noteworthy Super Bowl losing teams doesn’t lead me to believe elite wrs can’t win.

I remember jeudy ruggs and lamb as the best in that class. I do not recall them being considered generational prospects. We are talking picks 12, 15 and 17.

At this point, let’s lose the Super Bowl instead of the divisional jokes aside, the idea that the falcons somehow didn’t get great value securing Julio is silly. That the OP points to it as a reason they went 4-12 one season is laughable. How many wins does he think an extra 1 and 2 would’ve resulted in? If looking at key threads through the last 20 years you must be in on this news that Brady would consider playing. that he and mahomes had elite TEs, and had moss and tyreek as late round grabs doesn’t make me feel like getting a moss or tyreek early in the draft would ruin us.

for the teams it at least helps the travel situation week 1

he’s not going to like 31 other fan bases either or, he’s kind of a jerk in reality but wants to be liked so he tries to put on the show and there are a lot of cracks in that veneer I think that makes more sense than being legit bipolar but who knows

Maybe I am using hindsight but when recalling top ten WR the last decade I dont recall white, Ross or Davis being considered can’t miss generational talents in the way you do these 3, chase, Julio/green were considered THAT guy. I won’t say I’m an expert in this top three but it feels like they are universally regarded in that tier that doesn’t bust much as opposed to the other category that were just the best options in their given year. the Ross/white/waddle/smith/London/Wilson crew feel like they are more akin to this years second tier and those are coin flip guys.

ouch. That’s a steep jump. Essentially tripling your cost?

oh yea I didn’t mean in the sense that their style is similar but that they are full washouts right now… Isabella having the perk of at least being league minimum pay where burk has the challenge of a $3m salary (not huge, but effects how you manage him)

He’s a more expensive version of Isabella, right? Or has he actually established any presence as a foundation to justify reps beyond his drags position? I’ve not seen a ton of him

that was an absolute wall of text to tell a professional football board that college basketball is better. Seems like keystrokes wasted.

you are also comparing to an era where there were far fewer yards in the passing game. A 2020s receiver needs to solidly surpass an 80s-90s guy right now diggs only stretch as a WR1 fit a team didn’t even have him WR1 in his division for a lot of it. how many WRs can get in from his era?

being accurate isn’t the same as being constructive towards reaching your goals even if you concede him as accurate, has he used any of those in a way that was bettering everyone’s outcome?

the OP definitely blurs today vs overall as well we the player vs the man he’s been a great on field player 3 of 4 years I think he will be remembered More like a hired hand than a beloved bill he will be more TO than Fred or Kyle

it was basically copy/paste Minnesota

even then you aren’t looking for a diamond in the rough. You are looking for a guy that maybe knows your terminology ideally, perhaps has any reps running an nfl huddle or calling a play like we would go down a list of Barkley and Kyle allen, anyone we had in camp, guys that played under Brady or his peers running the same system, then the Joe flaccos of the world before getting to the eagles day 3 pick on the practice squad randomly that we kinda liked but couldn’t play in a viable way this Sunday

remind me - what did the bills eat with diggs?

I would find it absolutely shocking if beane wanted to aggressively tie himself to diggs even longer by creating more dead money with him after last years behavior all year and close to the season on field. makes almost no sense. we didn’t even convert all of joshs salary either, as another indicator there was no need to restructure diggs again who is a much worse candidate than Josh for that I thought he was dinged up too- but I suspect we will know quickly if so. he won’t keep quiet if there’s a chance for him to excuse his stats down the stretch, yet alone a reason that could make him look like a good guy gutting it out Heck, even if he wasn’t hurt I half expect it

I’d say it’s more akin to an open container in the car than an outrage over weed issue

where did I say he wasn’t good? it was absolutely fun while it lasted as they are talented guys accomplishing impressive things. He will likely not be beloved in the way tre, our safeties, or going back a Fred Jackson or Kyle Williams were. he was a great football player. He may be more of a good bill though. do you believe he will be remembered as a beloved icon of Buffalo football in this era, or moreso as a high achiever here in passing?

either way, no one’s trying to trade for a guy to force a holdout to show up against his will even if they could.

“I’m going to tell them I’m not showing up if you send me to the panthers” is not pretty but would accomplish what he wants

i think he’d have to look real good in pre season to have any chance that another team is poaching him from the squad to put on their 53. Most are pretty entrenched with the top 2, if not 3. to have 3 be a late round pick that doesn’t know your system because you added him late means you saw something in 4th quarter preseason play that you didn’t in scouting

I suppose by that standard you think lance produced fully to his own ceiling? I think similarly as a guy that had to earn his reps both based on draft status and a crowded offense with both WR but also very good TE and pass catchers out of the backfield he probably had untapped potential in his peak. if we draft a major wr (especially trade up) Shakir will be WR3 with Kincaid and cook also taking noteworthy targets. He could play VERY well and not get beyond that 60 catch 900 yard and 8 TD range. do that 4-5 years (maybe a little more with the longer season!), go to another team and sunset there would be an excellent career for the guy. and if we trade up for a wr that’s probably not an unfair look at his role behind that guy and Kincaid the next few years