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Invisible except for the ball that fell to the turf. The TE's also didn't run routes with the receivers during position drills so we didn't really get much of a look at them. I think it was mentioned but the 1st team offense wasn't out there a ton............presumably less than on most days of camp. In case the general tenor of tweets is such that it makes people think it's just a lot of give and take between the two sides of the ball..........the offense has zero chance to do anything against this defense when Josh isn't out there. Barkley and Kyle Allen were very overwhelmed by the pressure and the strong underneath coverage.

Everybody. The offense couldn't do squat with the first 99 yards of the field. Pressure was immediate and plays were mostly blown up quickly. I am very impressed with the pass rush........but then I expected to be. This D-line is basically all veterans now. No more breaking in any young DE's within the top 8 DL.

The pass to Davis was high but a comfortable reach and he was wide open.........it was in a good spot for him to catch it. His and Knox drops were both on what were 3rd downs. Killer incompletions on impressive throws. Knox stumbled awkwardly out of his break and the ball ended up clownishly bouncing off of his upper body and face mask. The offense really struggled to move the ball. They would start next series from where they had left off in the previous series and they couldn't even get to midfield after like 6 series. Defense just dominated them. Until the ball was placed at the goal line. And then the offense scored at will with Allen hitting Sherfield, Diggs and Shakir for TD's and I think it was Barkley who hit Sherfield for a second TD. Even a botched center exchange to Kyle Allen bounced fortuitously into Latavius Murray's hands and he walked in for a TD. As for the some old concerns.........calling what Shakir did with the punt a "muff" is being very kind. It was more like No other punts came close to touching the ground. Sharty has a scary track record of fumbling on returns but he seemed to have the softest hands on the punt catch, IMO.

Yep. Former #1 overall recruit Seantrell. RT is where guys who can't play LT go. Drafting one very early has to be one of the higher risk/lower return picks a team can make. Because the things that make them RT's instead of LT's also make them more likely to bust or flame out quick.

What did you have in mind? I've seen him wear it like that, just a bit more unkempt. Unfortunately for Josh he has what I call "lady hair". He can't rock that close shorn "chia pet" hair that most men have. His hair is too fine and thick. Put clippers on that and it turns to fuzz. And his facial features are too soft for that look anyway. He's leaning into what he has, IMO.

Your takes in this thread rival the most idiotic/illogical that I've seen.

Your opinion is NOT in the least bit objective. You are literally discounting the data that professionals use to project the likelihood of something happening. My point is simple.........the informed, objective viewpoint is that they likely haven't improved by swapping those 4 players around. Do I think they have gotten better? I have no choice but to believe so because I couldn't stand Lil' Dummy and Crowder was a bust. But Sharty and Sherfield have been the Lil' Dummy(low production) and Crowder(injured) on their respective teams before...........they are just new to us so we can have optimism about them. Understanding the difference between that largely blind hope and the actual likelihood is what being objective is about.

Yes I meant to say .000 on "offensive" additions. I thought Von Miller was great last year. Jones was good.......as he always is.......his PFF rating of 72 falls squarely in between his 65 and 77 highs and lows over the previous 4 seasons. Which is sorta' the point with expectations.........its not rational to expect guys who were only good once in 4 or 5 seasons to be that good(or better). The last UFA addition that they got as much or more than was expected from on offense was Daryl Williams in 2020.

There is a difference between being uncoverable and being uncovered for a game or two. See Gabe Davis in the AFC divisional round game in KC.

Now remember.......you are the one who introduced the idea of "odds making" because you thought it added gravity to your very vague, unobjective opinion. The whole basis for all this arguing with me is about "odds are". And that's not what the odds actually suggest. We ALL expect these additions to be productive in our hearts......as fans. But the reality with veteran players is that they are usually closer to what have proven they are. Beane NEEDS some pro personnel adds to pan out, though. He batted .000 in that regard in 2021 and 2022.

He never looked as good as he did after 1998. Not even close. It was disheartening what he did to himself, really. Got too big at the expense of what had been just enough speed and quickness to be able to blend with his great strength and be a top 2 WR in the NFL. He dropped off considerably. Just because he put up a brief stretch of similar numbers 5 years later doesn't mean he was always the same player as 1998.

The celebrity that's been bestowed upon him for surviving his experience on the field doesn't have to last a lifetime. He just needs to cash in on it with cushy entertainment gigs until people forget why he became famous and just is. That's the one-hit wonder model.

He had HOF talent in 1998. That's for sure. That WR class he was in really hit the ground putting up big numbers.........except him. He was screwing off. But even if he'd put up an extra 2K in the first two years he still wouldn't have made the HOF though. I don't think advanced stats would be favorable to him either. He struggled to get open regularly after 2000 and dropped a lot of passes by todays standards. Hall of Very Good. Like a Joe Horn or Derrick Mason.

You do realize that there are ACTUAL sports gambling projections available for these players, right? So yeah......there are odds already set. And they don't share your "good bet" opinion. Fan Duel and Draft Sharks project Deonte Harty to produce only around 50 total yards receiving and Trent Sherfield around 150-170. So around 200-220 yards combine. For comparison.........the combination of Jamison Crowder and Lil' Dummy are projected to produce about 350-360 combined for their new teams (Giants/Colts). Gabe is expected to be the same guy as last year and Shakir is expected to have about the same numbers as McKenzie did last season. I don't really know how to explain it any clearer...........the perception that you and some other Bills fans have that the team has so obviously and largely improved themselves by swapping 2022 Crowder/Dummy for 2023 Sharty/Sherfield is far from the actual general consensus or that of the "betting" public.

No, over thinking it is being so naive(or stupid) to worry about what a celebrity like Hamlin is going to do to make a living if he can't play pro football again.

Yeah, again, I think that's what the Bills are trying to do. But it's also what opposing defense's want the Bills to do.

That would be just what Dr. Dorsey ordered. I'll settle for Kyle Pitts rookie year reception/yardage stats........70/1,000.......which were accumulated with bad QB play. Pitts was considered a better prospect but he was drafted as a 20 year old..........by comparison Kincaid is a seasoned veteran at 23.

In fairness.........you should note that you didn't think this way about McKenzie last year. You were high on him. You made assumptions that he would become something he'd only shown flashes of before.........just as you are doing with the chronically gimpy Sharty. I guess the flip side is that Lil' Dummy was at least durable. Or that he had at least had a 100 yard receiving game in his career.

Are you saying Crowder has hardly even played in the NFL? He has over 400 catches for 4500 yards in his career. Or are you denigrating the perception of a player heading into camp last year with big career production before somewhat unexpectedly missing almost all of last season.........while then giving props to another in Sharty who has produced relative squat in his career and ALSO missed almost all of last season? Believe it or not.........even in relative obscurity Crowder managed to outproduced Beane's big WR signing(Sharty to clarify) last season.

I was very clear when I said "back half of prime" or well past. You don't think Morse and Dawkins are even in back half of their primes? Morse is probably in his last year altogether and Dawkins is a bad body tackle coming off a down year so I don't see him stringing together another 5 years of prime Dion. As for whether the team itself is old or not.....that wasn't my point.....but they ARE old. When they break camp they will absolutely be one of the 5 oldest rosters in the NFL........in fact they will probably be the oldest roster in the NFL if the Saints aren't. The Bills were 6th oldest at break of camp last year........and 4 of the 5 "older" teams have all undergone big shakeups and youth movements. The narrative that they were ever a "young" team was always misleading. They've been one of the oldest rosters EVERY YEAR going back to the Marrone/Rex years. Now the numbers add up to probably an average age around 27 years.........and even their top 2 draft picks will hopefully be 24 before the Bills season ends so that's not skewing the numbers down either. But they are actually old-old on defense. Legit. 4 starters in secondary deep into second or third contracts. Von, Jones, Floyd........all in their 30's. Can't be any team with that many 30 somethings in key defensive roles. That is what concerns me about projecting. Some vets get better at avoiding injury with age but in general there are diminishing returns in terms of availability with age. Like, 3 years ago it was a virtual given that Hyde and Poyer would be there every game. Now? Eh.

As a Yankees fan........let me tell you from experience........when you have a number of older players and guys bouncing back from injuries at key positions........you don't know what you have until they get on the field in-season and show you. So I will pass on "where are we worse" because the Bills have A LOT of players either in the back half of their prime or well past it chronologically. Particularly on all levels of the defense and at C and LT on offense. I've said it many times though...........I don't know how anyone can declare them better at WR when their reserves are low pedigree vets with less career production than guys like Crowder or McKenzie(who were a net negative last season) and a second year vet in Shakir who seems a bit less promising than he was as a rookie. The passing game will swing heavily on how the Kincaid at slot receiver plan works. If he is more like a Kelce........then it may work. If he is like Gesicki.........or even like a Jimmy Graham when the league adapted.......guys who couldn't force teams to use LB's in coverage and didn't excel against defensive back coverage.........then it's probably going to be a lot of off-schedule offense this season, IMO.

Yes, I think the Bills have basically resigned themselves to hoping to having Diggs and a bunch of (ideally)WR3's. Not having two legit WR1 type weapons has just not gotten any team to the SB in the last half decade, which is the known aspect of the discussion. It's not that different than wondering if they could go to a base 4-1-6 defense and reach the SB. Because no team has gone to a SB doing that either. But it's conceivable if a team like the Bills........with better safeties than LB's.......decided to lean into their talent. The problem is that the NFL is all about matchups. That's why teams with two WR1 options have that extra juice to reach and win SB's and others do not. That's why teams with LB's who can cover have good defense's and those that don't are dead in the water. Yes the Chiefs had a very deep WR corps last season. They didn't have two top 5 targets in the entire league like when they had Kelce and Hill...........but Juju was a top 25 target in terms of both bulk stats and advanced stats. And MVS was their version of what Gabe Davis provides the Bills........just further down the ladder where he can exploit matchups. But teams aren't going to stop putting CB1 on Gabe simply because they are confused by all of the Bills WR3 options.........one of the other 3's is probably going to have to ascend ABOVE Gabe to discourage the double-Diggs defense. Would it be good if the Bills 4-7 receiving options were as good as KC's? Sure. But you can't expect to compete with a team that puts top assets into the position when you do not. The Chiefs had 3 first and second round picks in RESERVE at WR. The Bills have a couple 5ths and some UDFA's.

Bernie Madoff did a better job of managing Mess ownership money than Billy Eppler.

Was the "next step" getting into coaching?

Community outreach? Damar Hamlin will probably be hosting Entertainment Tonight within 18 months of hanging up his cleats. That's if he decides to stop ***** touring. He's gonna' need an assistant to just to keep his crotch dry. I've never seen so many thirsty women as at that Patriots game last year. He's a legit celebrity now.