billsfan89

I think with running backs coming out of college and being better receivers who can also be workhorse backs you are going to see the return of the elite back. Guys like Gurley and LeVeon who are all around threats at their position are having tremendous value because they are threats to run and catch passes at extremely effective levels. Sure these types are rare and once in awhile, you find a Zeke who is a complete mauler with subpar receiving ability but I think the relevance of the NFL running back is on an upswing because of the dual-threat RB's emergence. If you consider Phillip Rivers a HOF QB then the Chargers could get Gates/LT/Rivers. Also Peyton/Edge James/Marvin Harrison are another possibility.

Could the track practice and competition have played a factor? It could have, it’s all speculation but my point was that a lot of Goodwin’s injuries were heavy contact injuries like concussion and injuries that happened after hits violently tore muscle. Also the narrative the poster was saying was that Goodwin was simply playing for Buffalo to fund his true passion for track. Which by all accounts for how hard he worked while he was in Buffalo is not true. Also on the surface it makes little sense since Goodwin was on a 3rd round pick deal and there isn’t exactly a lot of money to be made in track. If Goodwin was truly that passionate about track he probably wouldn’t have played football at all since one tear to the ACL could damage your speed forever. You could argue that Goodwin’s track training contributed negatively to his injury history. However I would put that more so on the training staff for allowing him to train in such a way that would make him more likely to get hurt than on Goodwin for doing something that he got team approval to do. Also Goodwin always to me looked like a legit big play type WR when he was healthy. It was just right when he would have a big game he would get hurt. It's not necessarily something that just happens to the Bills, players leave a team they struggled with and go off (I am sure Colts fans lament Jerry Hughes.) It’s the unpredictable NFL. I was sad to see Goodwin go since in 2017 he signed with the Niners for so little and if the org was willing to let Woods go and trade Sammy why not kick the tires on Goodwin for one more year if it isn’t going to cost a lot? No need to try over sour grapes, I can’t hate Goodwin as long as a player works hard and is respected by his teammates you are good in my book even if the results on the field aren’t the best.

That's a lot of speculation that you are implying that just has no evidence. Once again Goodwin was always reported to be a model citizen with the Bills. A lot of his injuries were contact injuries like concussions and violent ligament tears coming off of hits. It's not like Goodwin was getting non-contact injuries that could be attributed to training for a different sport. I think you are pushing a narrative as opposed to reading into the kind of player and worker he was when he was with the team.

Calloway is likely the player they want to pave more playing time for. If Gordon isn't ready I think they could go vet WR but it wouldn't be a distraction like Dez or TO.

I could be wrong but I never heard of Goodwin not putting in 100% or any other stories of him being a ****ty teammate while he was in Buffalo, I think you are projecting a lot that just isn't there because he played a lot better as soon as he left Buffalo. It honestly isn't a coincidence that his first healthy season was his first breakout season. Goodwin missed. 26 games of action in his first 4 years in Buffalo and was consistently battling a lot of different types of injuries. I could be wrong but I never heard any reports of Goodwin not being a model citizen. Sometimes timing and luck just doesn't work out.

On paper, I would take Tyrod over AJ. That's not to say that "On Paper" means much. AJ to me is a game manager, kind of was in college and looked to be that type of player in limited action with the Bengals. Tyrod is a game manager but with a cannon arm and the ability to make plays with his legs that AJ simply can't make. I honestly expect all the same complaints that this board had with Tyrod (captain check down type stuff) when AJ takes the field. That's not to say that the Bills can't win with a conservative QB but I don't expect the huge uptick in QB production because the anti-Christ of QB's Tyrod isn't here.

I am assuming the Browns got a 5th rounder although it could be lower, that's honestly a decent return for a player that is likely a bust. The Bills are taking a chance on a player that might benefit from a change in scenery. The Bills desperation at WR makes me like the move. Coleman is a better pro-prospect than almost any player they would have been able to get late in the draft. It's a low risk high reward move for the Bills and a nice salvaging of value for the Browns.

That's rich, although I will say that Coleman is going to a worse offense on paper but the Bills organization is a better one than the Browns.

Goodwin missed nearly all of 2015 and in 2014 was dealing with literally 4 different injuries. He was also banged up a big in 2016 playing through several injuries. Goodwin always put in the effort and was by all accounts a good teammate. He just was a smaller guy that got unlucky was some injuries early on in his career. He wasn't phoning it in on those lucrative 3rd round pick contracts. The dude wasn't cashing in on some fat deal and then turned it on when he left the team. I think you are crafting this narrative that just doesn't exist.

The fanbase of the team he came from are the fans that watch the player the most. It's not the be all end all but just because the Browns organization sucks doesn't mean that the fans are clueless as to what they are watching.

Goodwin's main issue was always health in my opinion. Goodwin always looked like a great explosive big play type player when he played, it just seemed like he was always getting hurt.

They must really like what they have in Antonio Callaway their early 4th round pick out of Florida. Callaway was rated as a 1st round type talent but off the field issues made him fall hard. I think Callaway who is a very fast stretch the field type player is more than likely impressing the Browns enough where they can trade Coleman for something.

That's what I am thinking, at worst it was a 4th and considering that Coleman doesn't exactly have high value. I think it was probably the Bills 5th. Not a bad trade for both sides. The Browns have some talent at WR and Coleman for all the potential he has just isn't panning out. Nabbing a mid-round pick for Coleman was probably the best return the Browns were going to get. The Bills get some much-needed help at receiver for a fairly low cost (having the extra pick from Ragland makes it even easier.)

It also depends on the coaching staffs long-term view of Allen. It is completely irrelevant that Allen is with the third stringers. The coaching staff has a long term plan of action with Allen and are following it to the T.

You are looking at things in retrospect and acting like decisions that panned out were obvious decisions that any boob could have made, the bottom line is that Reid always did good in identifying QB talent both at his backup position and his starting position. I think it Reid can get to the playoffs with Mahomes (who is starting his first full season) It will further prove how good Reid is at identifying QB talent.

If McNabb was still in Philly that year he probably would have had a much better season for various factors (supporting cast, knowing Reid's system etc.) That was my general point. From what you wrote you were stating that the Skins being a top 10 passing offense that year was proof that McNabb would have been good without Reid. Which given a further analysis of that season just doesn't hold water. My point was that even if you want to write off all of Reid's accomplishments with QB's as just him "Having good QB's" then you have to at the very least by that logic give him props for evaluating the QB position tremendously and having a system that utilizing good QB's. A lot of teams struggle to find good QB's and Reid always seemed to be able to find good ones. I think that's why people point to Reid as a positive when talking about Mahomes. Reid provides a proven offensive system and is a coach who seems to know good QB talent

LaFell was productive in 2016 and his drop in production in 2017 was more so due to the Bengals overall drop in offensive production than an injury or him suddenly declining. I think it would be a worthwhile pickup for sure.

"A top 10 passing offense." Is a very misleading way to describe McNabb's season as though it was in any way a reflection of McNabb having a good season. McNabb was terrible that year, the Skins passing offensive rank was more so a result of them being down late in games and having to pass a lot. Once in a while, a bad team can pile up stats in a particular category and not have it be a reflection of talent but a reflection of circumstance. The Redskins were 6-10 with the 18th best offensive yards per game and 25th in points scored. They clearly were piling up garbage time yards (Which would explain the much lower rank in points scored than yards.) They clearly were playing from behind and throwing more which inflated their passing total. The Skins that year had the 4th most passing attempts and the 31st amount of rushing attempts. So yes if you throw the ball the 4th most time in the league and play down late in games where there is plenty of opportunity for garbage time soft defense running out the clock you might be able to have the 9th ranked passing offense. At best McNabb had a highly below average season with the Skins having a handful of good games but mostly inflating stats with a high amount of attempts and garbage time stats. You can B word about Reid all you want but you have to stretch pretty hard to hate on his QB record. Reid isn't a perfect QB coach (Who honestly is) but he has a pretty good track record when it comes to getting the best out of a QB and scouting QB talent. If Mahomes fails it will not be because of the coach.

First game he played in nearly three years, I think for all the excitement he clearly was not set up to have success right away, dude seems like he knows its a process and he is early into it.

The Bills do not need a new stadium, there is nothing wrong with The Ralph functionally, But the NFL wants to generate more revenue and they will pressure the Bills to build a new stadium or do a heavy renovation so that they can build more luxury boxes and things that generate more revenue.

Are you seriously trying to say that McNabb was a top 10 QB in Washington? In 2009 his only year in Washington McNabb threw for 3,300 yards and 14 TD's to 15 INT's if he was so good in Washington why did they trade him for mid-round picks the year after. McNabb fell off a complete cliff once he left Reid. Alex Smith never had as good a year in his career as he did last year in KC. You are doing some real mental gymnastics to **** on Reid writing off anything positive he ever did as the result of others and then blaming him for everything negative that ever happened in his career.

Brees threw 27 passes his rookie year, they sat him behind Flutie, the Chargers also sat Rivers for his first year. I don't think anyone is dogmatic about a rookie playing in his rookie year. If the Bills are sitting at 2-10 with AJ then they probably should start Allen those last 4 games (And probably sooner than that.) The point is that each QB has a plan of development that suits them and a guy like Allen probably would be negatively impacted development wise starting the season. A lot of people point out that Allen based off his game tape has 2 major flaws in his game that impact his accuracy. 1- Footwork 2- Reading a defense. Now you could argue that reading a defense will be improved by playing but if Allen is playing behind a suspect O-line then that's the last thing you want for a player needing to work on footwork. Consistent pressure means you won't have time to develop your footwork habits and lots of pressure will more than likely lead to you developing bad habits. There is also the issue of confidence. If you toss Allen in with 4-6 games remaining in a lost season then his confidence is impacted less not feeling the pressure of the season. But if he starts at 0-0 then the whole fortunes of the season and the locker room are on him. I wonder just how much more successful QB's who sat at least one year were. Carson Palmer said he learned a lot sitting behind Kitna that first year. Rivers said similar things about Brees. I wonder if there is a higher level of success attributed to a player sitting his first year or at least a good portion of a rookie season?

3 years is a lifetime in the NFL. Year to year is hard to predict let alone trying to predict 2-3 seasons from now. The only long-term advantage a team has is a QB on a rookie contract and a QB in general (Even on a massive deal a very good to great QB is a tremendous advantage just the returns diminish when the contract occupies a lot of cap resources.) Other than assessing the health of a teams long term QB situation you can't prognosticate the NFL in any long-term manner. Sorry but, tons of coaches draft players who were great in college and really high picks and they manage to do nothing with them. Under Reid the Eagles always made QB's look better than they were (Hell the Eagles still continue to do that) and in KC Reid coached Smith to a level in 2017 way beyond the game manager he was in San Francisco. Reid has one of the best track records when it comes to coaching QB's, you can't dismiss a guy who made Kevin Klob look great because "Every QB he ever coached was talented." That's such asinine logic. There really isn't any coach that takes low round picks at QB and makes them way better. What coach would you describe as being a true QB guru? Compare that coach to Reid and I think you can write off any coaches accomplishments by just saying that they just happened to luck into good players.

Too early to tell in camp, I think by the time the first pre-season game is up you can really start to get a read for how guys are performing. I feel like with early training camp reports you often are subjected to the reporter's opinions too often. Dareus at least played at an elite level in his rookie contract, even when Dareus got complacent he was still a way above average NFL player at his position (The run defenses collapse after he got traded and The Jags improvement in that department proves he had decent value just not worth the massive contract and a locker room cancer apparently.) Washington just hasn't been able to put it together as an interior pass rusher, dude was never projected to be a great run defender but was drafted on his potential as an interior pass rusher. Hopefully he rounds into form as camp goes on but I suspect a poor camp performance and a strong performance from a player behind him will likely get him cut or traded if some other team wants him for a 7th.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820e6311/article/nfl-clubs-approve-comprehensive-agreement "Players will receive 55 percent of national media revenue, 45 percent of NFL Ventures revenue, and 40 percent of local club revenue." Roughly all things equaling out the players get between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. So once again if the owners charged less the players would get paid less. It's not as though the owners have to charge so much because they have to meet the player's salary demands. The owners are all billionaire businessmen, they are going to charge as much as the market will allow and the players take their cut.