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I just had someone else on this board comment about that to me just the other day. And here I thought no one outside my circle of buds know anything about that sort of music. Cheers

Oh yeah!!! I want to hear about all our new toys!

Hell to the no. White is potentially a multi year All pro player that fits the mold both from a performance and mental aspect, not to mention that we had the draft capital to get the QB we wanted and Beane skillfully executed the plan.

I created a thread, which I don't do too often and within minutes it was merged. Whatever

I largely agree with many of Joe B's take. I've been saying 0ver and over that the completion percentage is not truly indicative of his accuracy and that his arm strength along with his size, strength and athletic ability coupled with his elite eacapability traits and the fact that he tends to look for the homerun throw truly makes him a unique prospect. He is not a boom bust project, his floor is much higher than what we often hear from some quarters.

While I largely agree with that, there were quite a few times where he felt a phantom pressure and bailed from the pocket prematurely. I understand why, he was constantly under siege but none the less it is an area that he will have to correct. He also needs to learn how to reset his feet better for his check downs, often you would see him hit his intermediate passes with lots of accuracy but when that option was taken away and he checked down he would throw the ball inaccurately to his safety valve option. That is all mechanics and he'll have to correct that. And of course his progressions. I wouldn't at all characterize this area as a severe weakness of his, but he definitely isn't at a Josh Rosen sort of level and probably never will be when it comes to this. That will come with game preparation and experience. Where Allen is much more dominant than where Rosen will ever be in one area is obviously his arm strength. He can make throws that very few QB's in the NFL can make and make throws that are difficult for most QB's look simple. Throwing those laser 25 yard passes or those throws he does on the run 40-50 yard down the field are passes that just don't get made the way he can do them. His elite escapability of getting out of the pocket and making the passes he makes is an area that not many other NFL QB's can do. Sure, lots of QB's can throw from outside of the pocket but not at his potential capabilities. Then of course there is his athleticism and size, there aren't many QB's in this league that have his size speed combination. It will serve him well in and out of the pocket and that is a big advantage that he has over someone like a Josh Rosen. Most importantly, what he has upstairs. He clearly is a very intelligent, hard-working guy that has shown leadership and moldable qualities. Most successful QB's have all these traits and he happens to be one of them. I think odds are that there is a 50/50 chance of him being better than Flacco with a chance of being as good as Roethlisberger.

This was the first time I had heard that. All of us who saw lots of his game tapes can clearly see that their line struggled mightily in pass protection. Allen seemed to be scrambling the whole time but the fact that they rushed for roughly 50% of what they had the year before really just goes to show you how bad their line was and what sort of situations he was having to throw out of. When you rush for about 100 yards a game you are going to have lots of third and longs. All people have to do is look at the video of him and you'll see that 56% completion number that is often cited is a bogus way of defining him from an accuracy standpoint. I don't believe accuracy will be a defining issue for him as an NFL QB. He just needs to know that he doesn't have to always try to make a play, work on resetting his footwork when he's pressured and not always believe that he has to bail the pocket when pressured. I think he'll learn these things with time and end up being a fine QB in this league.

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Is Allen truly a classic boom or bust sort of prospect? That's the word you hear from some of the pundits and the people who like to repeat what they hear. Why is it that he has been labeled as such from some quarters? The supposed reasons are: A) He has a low completion percentage, the often quoted 56% rate. The narrative that has been written is that if you have a low completion percentage throughout your college career the odds show that QB's tend to have a uphill mountain to overcome and that this usually is indicative of a QB not having a successful NFL career. B) He is another QB in the mold of others who were known to have big arms with little accuracy who went on to be busts, therefore Allen fits that mold. C) He has terrible footwork and most QB's who have terrible footwork usually are not able to correct that problem as they get into the NFL. Those are the most-often cited narratives that you hear about Allen and why he is a classic boom or bust sort of prospect. I wholeheartedly disagree. A) Looking at his completion percentage as virtually a be - all - and - end -all metric is silly and entirely without context. Look at EJ Manuel, I believe he had a 65% completion average his last year in college and people pointed to that as proof that he was not inaccurate. Yet when you watched the film on him the passes were primarily short passes and usually they weren't well placed. Watching the tape on Allen and you'll see that he isn't nearly as inaccurate as his reputation among pundits. When you look back at all his throws he must have either have been forced out of the pocket or hurried on his throws on at least 40% of his passes. Not to mention that didn't have a good group of WR's that could separate. B) The big one that comes to mind is J. Russell, huge arm that ended up being a bust. He was mainly a bust because he simply didn't have the intestinal fortitude and desire to succeed. Not to mention that aside from his big arm and some running ability there wasn't that much to him. This is simply not the case with Allen. The guy is a leader and has the desire to improve and persevere. C) Yeah, his footwork had issues because he was running for his life extending plays. Don't get me wrong, as another poster pointed out his inaccurate short passes largely also had to do with him not resetting his feet properly when he looked to check down. I do believe that he will get that corrected and we have begun to see evidence of that in the Senior bowl. I happen to think he has a much higher floor then what we hear repeated over and over. To be honest, I think his floor is much closer to where Bortles is than a J. Russell. I also happen to believe there is a better than 50/50 chance that he ends up being a better QB in this league than Flacco. And I think there is a legitimate possibility that he could end up being similar in the mold of a Roethlisberger. I believe that because my view is that he has elite escape capability to extend plays and the arm and accuracy to punish teams down the field and when you combine that with his size/strength and athletic ability that is a deadly trifecta to possess. I think he'll be a decent in the pocket passer, but where he'll make a name for himself will be outside of the tackles similar to that of a Rodgers or Roethlisberger. The Bills just need to ease him along with a heavy dose of the run, RPO and play action passes and cut the field in half for him. Get him a good line and another WR and I think we'll see that we have found our franchise QB.

I could be mistaken, but the quotes that I have read from Beane did not rule Dez it out it was the author of the article or tweet that interpreted as so.

Yet another good recent decision by the Bills.

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Without doubt Allen was a Gamechanger for Wyoming and he almost eeked out a victory vs Boise State. The throws he was making that game was sick. After now watching every pass he made in 10 of his games, I'm more confident than ever that he's going to end up being our franchise QB. The 56% completion rate stigma he has with some fans does not jive with how accurate of a passer he really is. Sure, he needs some work with his footwork and his short and swing passes tend to be thrown high, but when he is making those 10-35 yard passes he is pretty damn accurate. And he has that cannon of an arm that allows him to make more game changing plays than just about any other QB. Not to mention the way he extends plays, his strength and athleticism allow him to have elite capability in that aspect. And what I love about him is that when he is extending plays he always keeps his head up looking for plays and he loves to go for the kill shot. He has got that mentality to go for the TD. One more thing, one of the knocks that I heard parroted over and over was that he lacks touch. To be honest with you I never objected because I hadn't seen that much film on him. I naturally saw his famed 56% rate and listened to others and naturally assumed that was true. Well.....after watching a bunch of his throws I can confidently say that is bull ****. When he is throwing it 15+ yards and he decides to take something off his throws he displays lots of touch. He just needs to improve his short throws. The guy is going to be good.

Seriously, is anyone surprised? It appears that there was a consensus of the QB needy teams that Allen was the favored QB over Rosen. When NFL evaluators looked at Allen they saw all his upside and viewed his supposed inaccuracies as his main risk to becoming a franchise QB. When NFL evaluators looked at Rosen they liked his ability to make passes and very well may have seen him as the best pure passer from the pocket. But he was the most frail and least athletic of the three and had a history of injuries. That was a risk. And then there was his personality. He was not viewed as a leader of men along with some other perceived attitude deficiencies. It could be bogus or that in the whole scheme of things could be way overblown, but it is a risk and there could very well be something to it. Meaning 2 big risks. I think at the end of the day the risks are what caused him to be viewed as the number 4 QB. The way I see it is that Darnold was the most coveted QB among NFL evaluators/GM's, but by just a little bit. Followed closely behind by Allen, then Mayfield and then Rosen.

You may want to edit your post. But I'm with ya!

Yes, but he's not a Bill. He's a the hopeful franchise QB of one of our division rivals. Therefore we laugh at his mishaps and we seek to destroy him at every chance!

Terrible article, basing his claims off of one anecdotal account from one NFL exec. Newsflash, Josh Rosen wasn't passed over by multiple QB starved teams because of what one volley ball coach had to say.

There is a lot to like here. First off, there are about 10 TD throws he made that no other player in this draft class could make. Secondly, the guy doesn't just throw fast balls, there were lots of nice lofted touch passes in there. He does tend to leave the pocket early and I think that is a symptom of having such an awful line, so he will have to clean that up some. I just think he's going to end up being a really good QB in this league.

Even his coach couldn't give him a full-throated endorsement. Just think about that for a second.

Or for that matter Miami. If they really wanted him they could have easily secured him with a trade up.

Very few QB's on this planet can throw the ball 50 yards in the air with that low trajectory. It really gives him such an advantage if he can learn to truly harness it.

If you listened to everything that Beane was saying when looking at the sort of QB that he wants to lead this franchise, Darnold and Allen fit more the mold of QB that they are looking for. They may very well end up being wrong on their evaluations but at least they went and got their guy. You can't ask for anything more than that.

After watching all his throws in 8 of his games, it's become pretty damn apparent that the knock on him for not being an accurate passer is waaaaay overblown. I don't care what that completion percentage showed, I know what I saw and what I saw was someone who throws the 10+ yard passes pretty damn accurate. And the criticism that he doesn't throw with much touch is also bogus. He can put some touch on some throws, as evidenced in the Senior Bowl. What he needs help with are his swing and short passes. He tends to throw high. And he needs help with his decision making, he sometimes throws those crazy across the field throws on the run. Having said that, he played for freaking Wyoming. That team was only winning 2-4 games a year before he joined and all of a sudden they won a whole lot more with him as QB. Meaning he was the entire offense and for that team he took the team upon his shoulders and took lots of risks. I don't believe he will do that nearly as much in the pros. Don't get me wrong, he should be slinging it down the field when he's extending plays because those broken plays can net some homeruns and he is definitely a homerun passer. But he'll temper some of the silly stuff that he did in college because he will learn to play within the system.

I like this pickup a lot. He's quicker and faster than what many people think, he's a good route runner and he has pedigree. He'll at the very least make the practice squad and wouldn't be surprised that he gets called up at some point during the year.