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Bills eventually recovered from Black Thursday (granted it took 20 years 🥲). Sabres still looking to recover from the day they lost Drury and Briere.

Sorry, young’n. Best CB was Robert James. He’d be in the HOF if not for a devastating knee injury in a meaningless preseason game.

Williams owned everybody. Maybe the best “unknown” lineman of all time. He physically destroyed a pretty good player in Phil Hansen in the Super Bowl rematch.

We’re entering the most ridiculously over-hyped period of the entire NFL calendar (and no, it’s not because I’m bitter that the Bills have zero money to spend on free agents). So, when has signing a FA worked to get a team a Super Bowl championship? Clearly, it’s happened. Reggie White in Green Bay. Brady in Tampa Bay. It took a couple of years but Brees in NO. Who am I missing?

True, but I also think that they do like Anderson.

Not quite true. Tampa Bay picked him before our original pick was up. On the other hand, trading up for a HOF receiver would have been worth trading next year’s one. Truly a monumental FU by the front office. Make the trade and pick Mack or Evans. Stay put and pick Beckham or Donald. Rest of our draft that year was crap as well.

I’m not a cap guru, so I’m trying to figure out how the Bills got to where they are. Allen, obviously. Miller, Diggs and to a lesser extent Knox? I find it hard to second guess Diggs deal. Miller has at least some bad luck attached to his deal, although counter is you just don’t give that kind of deal to a 33 year old. Can a couple of bad deals put you in cap hell? What am I missing?

Forget for a second who KC selected with the pick. I’m not a draft guru but it seems like we didn’t get a whole lot for dropping from #10 to #27. What would it cost us to move to #10 this draft? It cost us next year’s #1 to move from #8 to #4 to draft Sammy Watkins. Note: bad teams should NEVER trade next year’s #1, right Carolina?

Not trying to obsess about Kansas City but as a football fan, I’m genuinely curious as to whether Spagnuolo made adjustments at half time of various games and if so, what those adjustments were. Not going to go through the entire season, just the two Bills games and the Super Bowl. Also, not going to look at Miami, which was never going to be a threat against anyone in zero degree weather. Baltimore was an anomaly. Even though it only scored three points, its offense was markedly better in the second half. But in the two games against the Bills and the game against the 49ers, the stats are striking. Bills regular season - 14 first half points and 208 yards. Second half - 6 points and 119 yards. Playoff game - 17 first half points and 225 yards. Second half - 7 points and 143 yards. Super Bowl - 10 first half points and 204 yards. Second half - 9 and 112. Has anyone come across any expert analysis as to what KC changed up, if anything, at the half of any of these games?

JFC, the Bills didn't "jump the gun". He was accused of gang raping a 17 year old. Bills had two choices. Cut him or keep him on the roster. Bills were Super Bowl favorites going into that season. Keeping him on the roster would have been an insane distraction. None of it was fair to Azaria. He was accused, not convicted. But to argue that the Bills has a choice here is disingenuous at best.

Go back and look at the allegations. They were horrific. Azaria and two teammates allegedly gang raped a 17 year old. There was no way the Bills were keeping him on the roster after that. It stinks but it was as inevitable as it was unfair. I’m glad he has cleared his name and glad he’s getting a second chance. I wish the second chance was with the Bills.

Mods, I’m begging you to shut this thread down because it’s making my brain hurt. Have no idea what it is supposed to be about to begin with but it’s devolved into a few Bills fans trying to rebut various asinine points coming from the KC Troll Brothers. The Bros insist on having the last word so instead of that, please put a stop to the madness. Thanks!

Not sure what you mean but I’m a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Please see post from BillsFanForever19 above. Couldn’t put it any better than that. I’ll say it for the third time. There was ZERO chance Bills were keeping Azaria after the allegations came out. And I say that as someone who was very disappointed that it turned out that way. What was the one preseason punt? 82 yards? Kid could have been a valuable weapon for us but it was not to be, cherie.

Tried to do this from memory. If it was consensual, what theory was her attorney pushing? Was she drunk? In any event, a 22 year old having sex with a 17 year old isn’t a great look. I’ll repeat. No way the Bills were going to do anything other than cut him after the allegations came out.

There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor? Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team. Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall.

Now you’re just making stuff up. New England played mediocre during the regular season and “turning it up” post season? Pal, you came to the wrong forum to peddle that. We watched twenty years of NE pound, not only us, but the whole AFC East during the regular season. Pounded pretty much everyone in the league during the regular season. Maybe they had an off game against KC once but they absolutely did not coast during the regular season. I figured someone would make the pitch that Mahomes “turned it up a notch” in the playoffs. Like game against Ravens (17 points) or regulation against the 49ers (one TD in regulation on a short field)? Look, Mahomes is great. Certainly one of the all time greats. No one is disputing that. The point I’m trying to make is that the Bills defense in the playoffs against KC and the Bengals has been very, very bad. Mahomes and Burrow didn’t have to play Superman in any of those games to come out winners. Proof? Look no further than 13 seconds. Possibly the worst coaching job in the history of the NFL (not exaggerating). First play was a dump off to Hill that literally every QB in the league would have completed. Next play was a seam pass to a wide open Kelce. Nothing extraordinary. Contrast that with Bengals second half D in AFC title game that they won. Brilliant strategy brilliantly executed. Not sure why any of this is up for argument.

Is this supposed to refute my post? Not sure I'm following. Is your point that Bills' D plays really well in the regular season and really well in the post-season against everyone except Mahomes? My point is that the D plays poorly in the post-season in general (except for one game) and especially poorly against the Chiefs. Second point is that Bills D against Chiefs in regular season is pretty decent and in the post-season mind-numbingly bad. Not sure how you can refute that given the regular and post-season stats.

Your entire premise falls apart when you look at the regular season games between Allen and Mahomes: 2020 - Bills D gives up 27 points and 6.4 YPP (2020 Chiefs were CLEARLY superior team - I thought McDermott’s strategy of letting the Chiefs run all over us but don’t let Mahomes beat us was interesting); 2021 - 20 and 5.0; 2022 - 20 and 6.3; 2023 - 17 and 5.6. So what’s your argument? Regular season games are meaningless? Mahomes doesn’t try very hard in regular season games (he sure was crying after this year’s loss)? Injuries? Chiefs didn’t have Pacheco in regular season loss. Bills’ D injuries killed them in the post-season. Or maybe Reid seriously out coaches McDermott in the post-season? Bills’ D has been the team’s Achilles heel in the last four postseason losses (D was awful in loss to Bengals). It hasn’t been terribly good in the wins - giving up over 6 yards per play to Old Man Rivers, beating Thompson and Rudolf (hooray!). The ONE great postseason game from the D was against Jackson. Bills have defended well against him every time we have a played him.

Oliver! Agenda, much?

Many experts were praising Anderson’s physical play in the preseason. If Morse is cut, I think they will give Anderson a shot at starting center.

The link in this thread. Certainly I can be misinterpreting it because $5 million for Jones seems absurd.

Thanks for starting this thread. Went to look at KC’s cap situation. Some crazy stuff there (if I’m reading it right). J. Taylor and Thuney making $10 million more than Kelce (who basically makes the same as Knox - LOL). The biggest thing that jumps out is how the #### did KC get Chris Jones to play for $5 million this season??? He should fire his agent immediately.

Really hate the doom and gloom window is closed BS. Is there a Bills FA you would cry over losing in free agency? Maybe D. Jones. Who else? How successful have the Bills been in signing impact FA’s? After 2024 we can dump Diggs and Miller if that is the right play. Chiefs are under the cap but Chris Jones, Sneed and Gay are FA’s either they sign these guys and there goes their cap or they try to win a SB without one or all of them. Personally, I believe no Chris Jones, no SB for the Chiefs.

I know I shouldn’t get upset by this stuff but Get Up had a segment this morning: which QB will win their first Super Bowl next? Greenberg had his five ranked (5) Herbert; (4) Jackson; (3) Burrow; (2) Purdy; and (1) Love. Why NFC QB’s # 1 and 2? AFC QB’s can’t get by Mahones, maybe an NFC QB will get there and then luck out to a win. The three other panelists had Burrow as their pick. Why? Only Burrow has the mental strength to look across the field at Mahones and say to himself, “ I’m going to win this game”. Paraphrasing but you get the point. How about Allen? This year was his best chance and he couldn’t get it done (said the same about Jackson). Honestly, I’m thinking of switching to being a fan of the Premier League for a couple of years. This stuff is going to be unbearable.8