HardyBoy

No, the perceived conflict of interest is equally there...it's gotta be a near $100k gift He has a ton of say over gameplans and playing time and who is being featured in the passing game though and if he says he doesn't think someone is a good culture fit they're absolutely gone.

So subordinates buying a new truck for a supervisor that has massive decision making power and control over future earnings is at best a massive perceived conflict of interest. The source saying he "thought it was the coolest thing ever, but McD was jealous of the relationship the coach had with his players because McD did not have that type of relationship..." So that really makes me question the lens through which the sources are seeing things through... I'm not saying the source is being at all dishonest, but I would be livid if I was a CEO of a company and found out that an employee bought their manager say a $5k vacation as a thank you for helping them do so well and get promoted. It doesn't raise into question the honesty of the source at all, but it makes it very clear that that source does not have an understanding of what might have caused McD to behave how he behaved and attributed something to jealously, when I think it would be more McD felt subordinates giving gifts of value to supervisors is a huge at best perceived conflict of interest and there are potentially huge civil liabilities for that type of stuff/even if not the case, would absolutely be something I personally would not want as a part of my organizational culture...gifts should not flow up stream in an organization for a wide range of reasons

Staley, Saleh, dude for the Bears previously, Rex Ryan, Hackett, dude for the Cardinals a few years back...I could go on and on and on, but that's off the top of my head thinking for a minute...head coaching is sooo much more than just Xs and Os

Did anyone compare and contrast Dorsey's reaction to that missed pass when they lost that game and Brady's when Davis and Allen didn't connect? My guess is after that, Dorsey got some sports therapy, came away with the low positive approach and passed it on to Allen...Brady came in and said, you don't need that because I don't need that, I'll stay calm especially if you start getting super amped up and I'll calm you down both with my words, but also with my play calling...

This sitatuation has the feel of an episode of an early season Law & Order... I'm speculating, but there is a chance this is highly morally and ethically challenging and nuanced...thankfully if we assume he did put his hands on her neck and squeezed, he didn't crush her windpipe or something. I've been thinking about why Beane said what he said yesterday, and again I'm arriving at this being a super highly nuanced situation and a horribly toxic relationship, which doesn't excuse his behavior, but from a moral and ethical perspective it's a very different thing if he is a malignant narcissists who is perpetrating ongoing emotional and physical abuse (if this was the case I strongly believe Beane would have made him inactive and suspended him from the team) vs her being a malignant narcissist who is perpetrating ongoing emotional abuse for years and years and was utilizing reactive abuse to get him to react in a horrible way so she could make him feel shame in a calculated way. I'm not exusing the behavior, he could have killed her, but given the extremely limited information we have and Beane's support and what she texted out last time with the screen shots of Miller's texts, I am leaning towards this...and I have a theory on exactly what she was saying to get him to react and where she was saying she was traveling to, which I'm already wildly speculating enough, I'll leave it there.

Yet how many coaches get fired and run clown show football operations? You're significantly undervaluing McDs strengths

He provides way more value, like waaay more value than you could find with a $6m TE

We don't know the situation, for all we know she could have massive narcissistic personality disorder and he's been being significantly emotionally abused for a really long time. Emotional abuse is abuse and I'm not here to rank if physical abuse is worse than emotional abuse, both are awful and both are abuse. There is something called Reactive Abuse where a narcissist basically knows the things to do to get someone to react emotionally so they can play the victim (I'm not making the "look what you made me do" excuse a physical abuser makes, which I would think typically is actually them instigating reactive abuse and using it as an excuse to physically abuse someone). I don't know that his girlfriend is a narcissist, this is pure speculation, but there is a potential situation here where Miller absolutely is a victim of significant emotional abuse and handled it in an incredibly awful way and needs to be getting help, not playing football, because you cannot put your hands on someone's neck and squeeze hard enough to leave bruises, because he could have killed her if they happened...but this could be a hugely nuanced situation without a good answer, but it certainly sounds like he needs help getting out of that relationship and that is where his focus should be. I'm really not sure the smartest thing right now would be for the Bills to suspend him, not let him be in the facility and have him go back home to Texas right now either. I'm not excusing his behavior at all and I'm wildly speculating...my speculation is looking for reasons why the team is taking this approach...there is one other thing I am thinking that could make sense, specifically on what might have been being threatened and why they keep talking about her "travel plans"

I thought McCoy ran damn hard when he was here...

Anyone following the Sabres and hearing all these people saying they need to trade or even outright cut UPL before the season started... you're all the same people blindly screaming as a mob to fire McD Dunning Kruger & Group Think is a very dangerous combo. None of that means I don't think McD can and needs to improve on some things...but people who are up here screaming McD had nothing to do with developing Allen, like huh?

Right! I'm open to having conversations about stuff I don't agree about, and I personally think firing McD would be a mistake, but I'm open to changing my mind...just the the ridiculous things people are saying that aren't based in logic or reality and just show they have an opinion that isn't changing and they will say anything, even if it's actually the total opposite of reality...it makes it super hard I thought people said the Hamlin thing changed how people were watching the team and put it into perspective...it's gotten worse since

I agree their plan fell apart, I don't think anyone has ever said anything different. I won't agree that McD had nothing to do with the development plan for Allen...again read that article I shared about JP Losman and the quote where they were blitzing JP in his first practice like crazy...that was the former Assistant GM saying he was confused by the approach because it was not the right way to develop a rookie qb. Everything they did as a team those first few years in practice once Allen was named the starter had a huge component of developing Josh Allen. McD was the architect of that...to say otherwise or to say McD didn't have a huge positive part in building the space and culture in which Allen could develop and formulating a plan in which his coordinator and position coach and the player himself could maximize that development is straight up ignorant and silly

Thinking about how this could benefit the bills roster and such feels wrong

Allen wasn't supposed to play, they wanted him to sit a year...they tore the offense down because they were doing a rebuild. AJ was supposed to be that player, he didn't pan out. I'm so confused by this post, the plan was to give Allen a redshirt year and not have him play behind that line with those weapons.

Tell that to the person comparing Allen's rookie season to Stroud's and saying it's an indictment of the Bills coaching staff

As a fan, what you contribute to the equation and receive from it is unchanged between then and now

The plan was always to sit Allen his first year, just like Mahommes sat, they didn't want him to play a single snap...Kolb getting injured and retiring really screwed up the plan and when Peterman flamed out miserably they didn't have a choice. Stroud is a significantly more pro ready prospect who had received top level coaching in college and I would imagine high school...you're not making sense, and I mean that in a way that I want you to be making sense so we can have a meaningful conversation about this...lol, though with the Von news, my guess is this convo is going back burner big time

That was in response to what I quoted from CincyBillsFan, not your post

You mean the head coach that coordinates all the practice plans, and sets the expectations on the types of offensive formations they will highlight in a practice and coordinating with the defensive staff to make sure they are giving him the right looks defensively to reinforce the information he is learning from film and other preparation off the field You guys sound super ignorant on what a head coach does...freaking Dunning Kruger convention And Beasley was a huge signing, even at the time... he was the best slot receiver in football and was clearly being improperly utilized in Dallas...Brown turned out to be exactly the player they were hoping he would be...both of those signings were amazing at the time and looking back on it

Read the article I shared...Allen is also the smartest person in most rooms. Those former Bills coaching staffs would have destroyed him just like they did Losman.

They developed Allen into the player he is today and Losman probably should be talked about in the same breath as Allen, and definitely as a cautionary tale.

Respectfully you don't know what you're talking about, and I didn't either until I read this article a few years back...JP Losman should have been elite, coaching broke him: https://theathletic.com/2537042/2021/04/23/ex-bills-qb-j-p-losman-didnt-let-his-disappointing-nfl-career-define-him-instead-he-found-his-calling-at-clemson/ " To some, Losman’s story is that of a first-round disappointment. The Bills drafted him No. 22 in the 2004 NFL Draft after Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger were already off the board. “J.P. had the arm talent to rank with those guys and maybe even a little better arm talent than some of them,” former Bills offensive coordinator Tom Clements said. “He was probably the most athletic of that group, too … I don’t know how others had him ranked, but we felt strongly he was within that group of players.” Yet seemingly from the start, Losman’s career was defined by adversity. He broke his leg in his first NFL training camp when he collided with Troy Vincent. That limited him to three games as a rookie. The next year, he was benched after five games, only for the coaching staff to turn back to him later in the year. By Year 3, he was on his second head coach. He had three offensive coordinators in five seasons. The 2006 season, Losman’s third, was the only chance he got to start 16 games. He threw 19 touchdowns and 14 interceptions and had the 11th-best quarterback rating in the league. But the Bills drafted Trent Edwards in the third round the following year. Losman’s early-season injury in 2007 led the Bills to bench him in favor of Edwards. By midseason, ESPN reported that players weren’t pleased that Losman, a team captain, was on the bench, and they thought owner Ralph Wilson Jr. wanted Losman benched so that he couldn’t hit his performance bonuses. “J.P. never had a fair chance,” former Bills vice president of player personnel John Guy said. “I’ll never forget his first day of practice and they were blitzing him every which way. I remember saying, ‘This isn’t the way to break in a quarterback.’” " ... Matt Hasselbeck thought he knew what to expect when the Seahawks brought Losman in for a workout in 2010. Then 35, Hasselbeck had seen plenty of former first-round picks in the second acts of their careers. Because he didn’t know Losman, he perceived him through bits and pieces of what he had read and heard online. “It was like, ‘Oh, that’s the guy that is tremendously talented, has the best arm you’ve ever seen, can run, has all the tools, but what’s his attitude like?’” Hasselbeck recalled. “That kind of stuff. That was sort of the vibe you got about him.” After the workout, John Schneider and Pete Carroll said Losman’s workout was one of the most impressive quarterback workouts they’d ever seen. Hasselbeck wondered what his intangibles were like. Everyone knew he had the talent. Almost immediately after Losman signed, Hasselbeck regretted ever questioning his attitude or intangibles. “I don’t even know if I could put a finger on just how much value he brought to our team,” Hasselbeck said. “I was 35 years old and whatever year that was for me playing. I’m older than my position coach, and my position coach is a very good coach. But I’m feeling like, wow, I’m really learning some valuable things from this third-string guy who I initially thought based on what I read on the internet, ‘This guy doesn’t have any intangibles that he’s bringing to the table.’ I couldn’t have been more wrong. He was incredible.” ... That wasn’t the only time Hasselbeck thought Losman would be a coach. He shared that opinion around the building and with friends in the league. The more he was around Losman, the more he realized whatever perception he had before the arrival in Seattle was way off base. “I think he’s been misunderstood,” Hasselbeck said. “He might just be smarter than everybody else. Sometimes when you’re smarter than the other people in the room it doesn’t work. If you have better ideas than the person in charge, and I don’t know who coached him prior, but it can feel threatening or like insubordination.”

Wow, you must have special powers of insight into knowing how things went down based on having no actual information...super powers Anyway, that's off topic, my comment was on how Allen would have been ruined by those coaching staffs, in the same way they ruined JP Losman. Losman would have been a top level qb if he played today, I'm sure of that.

Losman was arguably in a similar sphere as Allen physically and mentally...he was ruined by poor coaching, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative. The culture on those teams sucked, and they would have never developed Allen into what he is today.

He's been doing this forever...I read an article on smelling salts and nfl games years ago, let me see if I can find it. I think this was the article I had read: https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseSalts/ezekiel-elliott-clay-matthews-just-the-nfl-smelling-salt-users