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I mean we'd save a lot of thread pages if we just said this happened primarily because of his foot and refusing surgery...

Is the issue the lack of drafting receivers in the first and especially the second round, or is it the fact that some of the d line picks busted or didnt match their pick value and then they had to spend more money on edge rushers instead of receivers. I think it's fair to assume most receivers take two years before they are really hitting their stride in year three and onward. Yes a rookie contract has value, but you're also in a lot of ways loosing two years of that value by drafting a receiver, where you can bring in high upside players on two year deals and hopefully maximize their skill set...Brown and Beasley for example...hopefully Palmer this year...plenty that haven't really worked out either for sure...but is the reason that it isn't working because of the roster building philosophical approach or selecting the wrong players or bad injury luck? Like there is a time to ROI component in this as well I'd have to imagine...btw, I'm not saying I think this is right or your comment is wrong, I think it could be interesting to discuss.

Let's say you have a two year contract for $100m with a $20m guarentee...first year salary is $20m, second year salary is $80m...saying that contract has a $50m AAV instead of a $10m AAV is wildly misleading. The player will be cut or renegotiate their contract. Obviously those numbers are high for example purposes, but players rarely play out the last year of their deals, and contracts are regularly back loaded when the guarantees are gone. I stand behind my statement that AAV based on the total value of a contract, instead of the guaranteed amount is highly misleading and isn't realistic. I'd argue for a rAAV metric, (realistic AAV), where the likelihood that a player stays on the deal is calculated, based on how much guaranteed money is left as a proportion of unguarenteed salary per season.

The AAV amount is largely meaningless because it's not based on the guaranteed amount, is the point I'm making.

Omg, just seeing this after a few drinks, I'm crying right now, so good!

$108m guaranteed over three years

I don't understand why that gets reported as $41m/yr...it's 95% most likely not going to be that...they should report it as $36m/yr...and even then, without having looked, I'm gonna assume it's a two year deal with a void year even if there isn't a void year...like he'll restructure or be cut after the second year most likely as a pre workout bonus designated as a post June 1 cut or something? But yeah, why do they report average yearly salary based on the total value and not the guaranteed value or at least give it as two values: the guaranteed/yr and the max value/yr. It's not just a small annoyance either, people use that to calculate % of cap at signing and such and it drives narratives and pro bowl/all pro voting, etc.

The percentage of players making hundreds of millions of dollars incredibly low...after you take out taxes and agent fees and how much it costs to stay in shape for football year round...and think that most players in the league are making near minimum salaries and that their careers are like under 3 years on average...and then they leave the league at like 25 years old with likely debilitating life long injuries that are likely going to keep them from working, especially if the only job someone might be qualified for is a trade job, which no knock on trade jobs in the slightest, incredibly important and respectable and appreciated work...just hard to do that type of work with joints that don't work in a degenerative sense at 25 and you potentially don't have health insurance

Haha, your avatar checks out! Today is my wife's birthday and the anniversary of their last show ever...oh wow, 30 years right?!

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What kind of dosed Kool aid we talking here?

Haha, to be fair I never said that, nor did I say the sky was falling. All I'm saying is people cheering that it's "only" a hamstring...a hamstring injury might be something that needs to be accounted for the rest of one's career I think it's the overall general idea where people might be cheering for something initially, but then in the long run it ends up being worse than the thing they were initially cheering against...like that as a general concept is kinda tickling my brain a bit...like from a Shakespearian/Greek tragedy/film noir perspective

Except a hamstring can never truly fully heal...my understanding is no muscle can after there is any form of tearing, which is what a pull or a "tweak" is, albeit small. Kinda like when you get a cut and your skin doesn't grow back exactly the same (you get a scar)...obviously a very small tweak is better than a huge tear, but my understanding is the nature of the hamstring muscle makes it much easier to happen again once there is scar tissue...I'd be really happy to learn this isn't the case with very small hamstring pulls. I'm not saying it's gonna be a big issue, but it's like people hearing someone had a minor meniscus injury that just needed a "clean up" and being like, phew, that's good news that it's not an acl...when over the long term an acl might be less impactful.

It's not about the healing time, it's about how after the first one they can start happening again over and over.

A hamstring pull isn't ideal though...the fact it sounds like he's walking ok is good, maybe it really was a tiny pull that doesn't make future ones more likely

So it's Nabers eh? Lol, thanks for correcting me gently on that one 😅 So basically you're doing the in the moment QB Purgatory rankings...you think those are the top three (in a bad way) teams?

They've recently enough won super bowls and they basically have had one qb somewhat bust after having Eli Manning for an entire generation. The Jets and the Browns though... The Giants are also going through an active rebuild and used their worst record two seasons ago to draft Neighbors who looks like he has the chance to be a hall of fame receiver. The Jets and the Browns though...the Browns?!

Huh? That post is kinda incomprehensible tbh

The Giants don't belong anywhere close to that list in my opinion

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North Davidson (NoDa) area of Charlotte is amazing and very much not generic...but agree overall it's a pretty generic city. They also have pretty solid public transportation and there's a lot to do...if we hadn't moved to raleigh, Charlotte would have been a very likely option, and back in 2015 or so we came very close from moving from Ft Lauderdale to Charlotte and would have lived in NoDa, but I ended up getting a good job in FtL and ended up moving out of Florida in 2020 so we could actually see family up in NYS Long way of me saying NoDa is amazing and I just learned recently that you can take a $29 one way amtrak from raleigh to Charlotte and kids under 12 ride half price

Have you seen Kincaid's separation/win rate stats and his % of catchable ball rate stats? They don't tell a story of him taking a step back, let alone a huge step back, and most certainly not a HUGE step back.

I guess, but I live in Raleigh and usually go to a game or two of Duke and UNC lax once a year...I played high school lacrosse and high level D1 is truly just a different game...it's so fast and physical, it's insane...but yeah, I mean I could see someone being like 6'5" and 240 being insane at lacrosse (Josh Allen size) and then being able to pack on an additional 60lbs of weight by eating a lot. Maybe not a midi, but yeah long stick even d mid or playing attack and just bull dodging or inverting and good luck stopping them on a sweep...the more I think about it the more I can see it, but it still feels unexpected, but just goes to show that you can be really good at lacrosse in so many different ways, it's crazy

Wait, he was going to play lacrosse at Syracuse and then ended up playing football as a DT?! Was he going to play goalie or something...otherwise I'm having a hard time with the logistics of this