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Are we supposed to feel bad for Joe Schoen and the other well-paid GMs of the NFL? Let's see, "Stay in college, live the good life. No big responsibilities. Surrounded by college coeds. Make a few Million dollars while I'm at it." ...why rush the pressures of the NFL and adult life?

You’re argument makes a lot of sense, but they might really regret spending that pick on him. I just can’t get over his inability to get open consistently.

Walker has great size and speed, but the Senior Bowl showed that he isn’t able to compete well with the big boys - maybe he can improve.

Looking at a draft board in retrospect and saying 'This is what they should have done...' is about as fruitless as moaning about the girls you didn't ask out in high school.

I concede you have an interesting theory. Lots of early 2nd rounders are productive NFL players. I just went all the way back to 2010. It really falls back into scrubs. And other than the 4 you mentioned here, while a good number of early 2nd rounders are hits, few to none outside the 4 guys you just mentioned are stars to superstars. Gotta go top 3 WRs for that.

There’s also no reason to think we won’t pick up a dozen undrafted rookies as well as another half dozen or more vets on minimum deals that also might not make the 53. my point is that the 90 bodies to camp argument is dumb. They can find anyone off the street to come in and be a camp body. They aren’t going to count against the cap, and they aren’t going to make the final roster anyway. Sure, maybe 3 out of the 40 might make it, but that’s nothing special. we need elite talent in this team, not 4 extra 5th rounders that have a shot in camp but never make the final roster anyway.

Beane knows all of this already. He has what...20 1st round grades on players.

Oh, absolutely. Relief? I'd guess mild relief mixed with knowing that things will get tougher, at least for a while, without having him on the field. Yeah, Allen is really great with the media, really really good. I believe I remember that when he was a kid his father would pretend to be a reporter and interview Josh and his brother to get them used to this. I suspect that's a good deal of the reason he's so good.

Mmmhmmmm.... remember this Thurm when talking about QBs having an Elite weapon in almost all of the last 5 Super Bowls... both winners and losers???? @Thurman#1"Kupp the year the Rams won. Top ten surely, but not elite. 1161 yards is damn good, 9th in the league among WRs that year, but not elite." Love the way you ran away from that conversation right after me calling you out on Kupp, Evans and Kelce not being Elite. I see that you keep responding to me... maybe I'll read them, but right now...

We've only got three picks above the fifth round now, before we start trading up. Some fifths and sixth are very likely to make it. Surely, you're right that not all eleven draftees will, but there's no reason to think we'll only keep three drafted rookies.

That's what 'news media' is. I guess people still watch out of habit or whatever, I stopped watching any of it 4 years ago and have no regrets other than not stopping earlier.

Yup. Two posts in a row from you with zero substance. Par for the course for you, Transie. The facts are inconvenient for you, so just distract.

Josh Allens personal life is the reason a McD's defense could't stop a peewee team in the playoffs? Interesting.

Yeah, his headline was "A visual argument against trading down & for trading up." And then the post gave absolutely nothing about trading at all, addressing only whether guys drafted higher tend to succeed at higher (though not necessarily high) rates.

It's always the snide little comments like this that give the whole game away. He's had a single serious relationship that's still active with one actress, and now he's "chasing tail" and "young hollywood starlets", plural. It's flat out Savior Edwards/ Airseven territory. Just completely unnecessary digs.

I've said this three times now - this dude suddenly decided to go full heel the exact moment that Airseven disappeared shortly after last season ended. Either it's the same dork or Bull's running with the fact that his primary competition is gone

He's got 8 Super Bowl rings.

Wow. Intelligent response. So full of substance. What a surprise, a big nothing from you.

Why is stupid sh*t like this even tolerated?

This may sound very odd but this is a hypothetical trade that isn't crazy in terms of value and yet both teams would absolutely reject it.

You'd think a Bills fan would be less likely to suggest this. There are organizations like Green Bay who's fans probably think franchise QB's are easy to find. Their fans should be the ones saying to trade a franchise QB for draft picks.

OK, fair, I misunderstood - but I thought you were arguing for drafting up? The reason I misunderstood is that it doesn't make sense to me to argue for drafting up, by including a guy we both tag as a success who would be drafted by standing pat or trading BACK. How and why does that support your argument for trading up? I don't know...my guess is "not" but I think your top-3 success rate would also decrease. Ultimately, while I appreciate and applaud the work you put in, honest comment I feel choosing "top 3 WR" (when they're drafted at different pick numbers year to year) is a bit problematic. People, including myself and organizations like PFF, have tried to look at success rates by criteria like "top 10 picks" or "top half of the first" or "first" - some of it is in other threads on this board right now. The point is that while drafting, teams can't predict who the top 3 guys at a position will be, they can only make an educated guess about how early they need to draft to get a particular player. The bottom line is that the best success for any position is usually in the top half of the 1st round - something like 50%. Overall, in the first round, it's 30% and usually not much lower in the top 10 picks of the 2nd round. The second round as a whole stays pretty high, 20-25%. Third round something like 15-20%, then it plummets. Let me rummage a bit and I'll put a link to some of the recent stuff people have posted about WR success by draft round here.... Um, yes, you did include Ruggs as a "hit" when you brought up that the success would be 80% for a trade-up if you just included him - " If Ruggs didn't end up in prison and he continued on his upward trajectory in 2021, that hit rate for a top 3 Wide Receiver in the last 5 drafts goes up to 80%... think about that... 80% hit rate potentially over the last 5 years if you just draft one of the first 3 WRs in the draft???" My point is that if you include one hypothetical to claim a hypothetical marvelous 80% hit rate, you open a can of worms where other hypotheticals can enter the fray. And um, I'm not sure where you get the notion I'm upset. Not following you on the QB comment, but that's a nit. .....looping back to link some of the recent posts https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/254036-how-to-pick-a-top-wr/#comment-9016893 looked at top receivers for the last 3 seasons and where they were drafted. 39% of them from 1st round, equal split between top and bottom half of the 1st round 25% of them from 2nd round 21% from 3rd round I'm not looking at "how many receivers were drafted where, and what % succeeded? I'm looking at "successful WR, where did they draft?" Here's one by Rigotz https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/254044-1st-vs-2nd-round-wr-hit-rate/#comment-9017898 He goes back 9 years but omits the 22 and 23 draft as too recent for good data...you'll like his conclusion 11 out of 28 first round picks ended up being plus starters (39%). 6 out of 33 second round picks ended up being plus starters (18%). [So he would support you, don't trade back] Here's one where I was looking at the most successful players in each draft, vs draft order https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/254021-interesting-wr-scenario-posed-by-a-friend/page/5/#comment-9016980 Just some different ways of approaching the same problem. Hope it's of interest.

Guys... can someone find Thurm's sponsor... he's clearly losing it