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Dave, excellent synopsis of this game and the season’s offensive scheme approach. This is what is meant when you hear analysts indicate Brady is way too predictable and Kroger is not adjusting line protections based on opponent. It is as stated above an overly confident assessment that Josh can always evade pressure. His OLine coach and OC need to help him, and Beane is getting what he deserved for the arrogant approach of persistently ignoring WR, and the stupid excuse is we don’t need speed, we need football players. Beane and McD, how’s that working out for you?

Didn't read all the pages but the thread just bumps how much good coaching matters in the league. Johnson and Vrabel have done a complete 180 flip with their teams this season.

When the fans are making excuses for every year that the D had injuries as the reason they didn’t win, there is the truth that the D scheme might be more to blame than the missing personnel. Let’s just buy the premise that injuries have sunk their chances at a Super Bowl several years? Okay so why is the Defense so reliant on the health of its starters because injuries happen in the NFL? it’s not like these starters are all world at any position. Coaching is so important because injuries are reality, but the Bills coaching during the McD era doesn’t really coach to its players strengths. It coaches a scheme and it limits the scheme based on how the player fits the scheme and doesn’t do anything unique to morph into a different style. The book is out on McD’s style of D, run at them and when passing exploit the zone schemes daring them to get home with pressure. They will eventually give up a big run because they are predictably unable to maintain gap integrity all game especially with light LBs and nickel CBs playing those gaps. Then you compress them and exploit the zone they will certainly play. Teams have used that formula and the Bills don’t have any answers even against porous, injured OLs and backup QBs. I know in years past the Bills have put together runs, but I don’t see it this year. Things are unraveling in too many areas and there just isn’t enough talent to right the ship.

I am hoping that I am wrong and that you are correct.

This Totally reminds of this

Obviously the other poster who demonstrated the vomit emoji must not know there is a rotation and as you point out we get the AFCW, our division, the same ranked position for the finish if this year for AFCN, and AFCS. We also with the 17th game have the NFCW on the rotation, and the NFCN. It amazes me there is no confusion still as this has been the formula since we went to the 17th game, and prior in a 16 game schedule, was the same minus the 17th NFC rotation. This isn’t even close to new. Regarding your request for comments Nitro, as mentioned, you play who you play which is why goofballs who complain the NFL schedulers screwed them on the radio don’t know what they are talking about. Besides, between possible coaching, front office changes, draft picks, free agent acquisitions, injuries, who we released, retained, or even reduced their contract are all factors going to projecting an outcome. What is appreciated OP, is I don’t have to look up who is on the rotation as you did it for us, so thanks.

I was going to write this, but you beat me to it. That was the right call. Not kicking the FG on 4th and 1 was a mistake. One of you just wrote each game is it’s own situation. The analytics are just a tool. Knowing and deciding which decision will be the best at that point if the game is the issue. McD is usually a better game manager knowing when to go for it, and when to make the kick or the punt, but this night there were mistakes. Now, it was obvious Brady is too indecisive and getting plays into JA, far too late. He’s making the game predictable when our team is down to the last second every play. There is a reason why TB could opposing defenses called off sides often.

... and to add insult, my GF's mom's dog we inherited, an 8 pound Papillon- who's also 12, is almost certainly going to be yapping away for at least another 6-8 years haha I very much hated that dog at her mom's house, but to her credit she's really done surprisingly great with us... I even occasionally love the stupid thing...

Sorry to hear this my man. I have a 12 year old Aussie named Tori who's been losing her mobility pretty hardcore over the last year or so. I mean it's a dog, right, but she also encompasses the best part of my soul. I've tried every supplement possible - the vet has her on Nsaids and she's doing pretty well right now sorta, but It's just not fair looking at such a short lifespan on such a beautiful part of life- it's crazy, really.

Tucker's a good choice because he can sing the national anthem, saving a roster spot.

Agree. I think that drive was the one drive on Thursday where you can question the scheme and the coaching. Not sure I agreed with the Bills plan there. They were clearly trying to hold them to 3 from the off and made it way too easy for them to get chunks and ended up giving up a tuddy. The rest of that first half I put squarely on the defensive players who frankly should be ashamed of their effort. But that drive before half I did not like the calls or the concept for what the Bills were trying to do.

Agree. Which isn't to say he is terrible at it but it is an area he is not elite. And as the physical gifts fade it will become more important.

What you get is zero accountability. Companies love confusing who is liable for your grandma getting run over by a Waymo car on Christmas eve. Not a great song, but the shareholders like it. Maybe one of you all is smarter than me- can you set up some debates between the competing AI platforms?

For sure. But 2026 is definitely a harder path than 2025 should have been.

Bears leading their division going into Thanksgiving. That was not on a lot of Bingo cards.

I strongly doubt it is that. They haven't really done much of a search. The Dorsey hire was open and shut (except for Daboll trying to take him with him to NY) and Brady got the interim job in season and kinda earned his way to keeping it (Josh likes him, he performed well and he was getting an OC job that round if not here then elsewhere). If they truly did a wide ranging search they'd have their pick of the best out of contract OCs and up and coming offensive position coaches. Problem is only way of getting an upgrade there is likely a good OC on a staff that gets fired OR an offensive Head Coach who gets fired and is willing to take an OC job. So, on the proviso that the regime - i.e. Beane and McDermott are staying... and that Josh will not have sufficient power to force Daboll back on McDermott..... I don't know if it would happen but Mike McDaniel is the obvious name if Miami lets him go or possibly Stefanski (who I do think can design offense better than he calls it but it is hard to know with the QB limitations). I imagine Canales has probably shown enough improvement to get a 3rd year in Carolina. If you are going to promising OC on a fired staff route then Mike Kafka? Bobby Slowick (not OC but passing game coordinator in Miami)? They don't feel like upgrades over Brady to me. On the other side of the ball Jonathan Gannon is interesting as potential DC. Very similar schematically to McDermott, did an excellent job in Philly and is likely out as Head Coach in Arizona. I liked Waldron as a candidate last time based on his work with Geno in Seattle. But it was an unmitigated disaster in Chicago. With a QB who doesn't play a traditional drop back pocket game. Now obviously Josh >>>>>>>> Caleb. But I think he is off my list for now.

He's most likely not being released this season. They voided his guarantees for 2026 and onward and he will be moved in the off-season. There's a chance they may even trade him rather than releasing him.

He was a hot name a few years ago. Kinda gone sideways for him since.

People seem to assume we promote from within because McDermott prefers to. Perhaps no high end coordinator options outside the organization want to work for McDermott.

I’ve read some of your “work”. No shortage of childishness. You are coming off as a Teef with the “do as I say” routine. Take a leap.

It was the “profoundly” part. Maybe you missed it. I suspect he rebounded rather quickly. You should go back to tying the patriotism of others to a Ken Burns documentary. Yes, he got over the profound sadness. Whew!