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I was talking about him coming out of college. I don’t hate the guy, he’s from my wife’s hometown. He just got a ton of hype for a few plays, including the one where he was unblocked and a guy lost his helmet. He wasn’t a terror of the edge, but he was good at what he did.

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Failed physical. Maybe some setbacks?

Speed, routes, and deep horizontal routes - 3 qualities clearly missing on 2024 Bills.

To be fair I remember Rivals had Clowney as the single highest rated player in his high school class across all positions. He wasn't quite like McDavid in hockey levels of hype coming out of high school, but Clowney was definitely one of the more highly regarded high school football players I can ever remember going into college.

If he has options, I don’t see Gabe jumping at an opportunity to compete for WR4/5 while likely signing a vet minimum. if he’s going to sign for that, he might as well pick a situation where he’ll get a chance to prove himself. If he returns to Buffalo, I think it happens later this summer because of injuries or if Coleman hasn’t made the progress they are hoping for. Plus Gabe has an injury now, and it might make more sense for him to try out at full strength

Agreed. I'm happy with a 4 man rotation of Groot, Bosa, Epenesa, and Jackson (with Solomon as 5) to start the year. Keep them all and come Week 7 if everyone stays healthy, you worry about making room for Hoecht then - if we even have to. Losing Miller and Smoot and gaining Bosa, Hoecht, and Jackson is a big time upgrade. We don't need to do anything else at DE and I don't think Clowney is an upgrade over what we have now.

Wasted opportunity with your title: ”Can Da Pope save Da Bears”

I’ll pass…DE is a position where there’s a ton of competition already. I don’t need a major role for Clowney this season.

Hes still a free agent, because basically every other team already has multiple WR’s with speed, besides Buffalo. They do not need to add an older, slower Amari Cooper- their WR rooms are stronger without. Buffalo has been starved for speed WR since John Brown. It’s the missing element that would make Josh unstoppable. Beane traded away a coveted 3rd round pick for Amari rental. And it was worth it. As Beane stated, the Bills averaged over 7 points a game when Amari played. 7.4 points to be precise. Think about how bad Josh played against the Texans. No WR could separate, it was one of Josh worst career games. We traded for Amari, and he was missing element. Defenses backed up, Bills score 30+ 8 games in a row. People underestimate how much Amari and Mack added to our offense, beyond the numbers.- Palmer and Moore are solid route runners. If those 2 can consistently get separation, the Bills offense will out score anyone.

A priest, a rabbi and an imam walk into a bar…

Yeah, I know all of that, what you were saying above. At the end I was just stating my views on the other aspect of this too, the over the top stuff--but you did not express that at all in your posts. (I was just too rambling I think, free writing it on a break.) And I am on board with what you say with the WR overall, just changed my mind about its significance as the off season progressed, as the defense needed an overhaul. I would now love that wideout you and others want. Hope Moore and or Palmer can together come close to that, provide some of what we want. But maybe next year the Bills go for it in the draft. Will depend on what happens this coming season.

I just remembered I have a Davis jersey. Now I’m all in.

You're honestly confusing the hell out of me. You're also asking a really dumb question. We have the benefit of hindsight with the 2023 WR room and we have no clue how good this 2025 WR room will be. So the best way I can answer the question is if you asked me to rank both WR groups before the start of each season it wouldn't be close. The 2023 WR room would look far better than the 2025 WR room mostly because we had an alpha WR1 going into 2023. Diggs was coming off a 1,429 yard season with 11 TD's. Davis was younger and there was still optimism that he could improve because of the high ankle sprain he had early in the season in 2022 as WR2. Harty and Sherfield were being sold as untapped potential that could blossom with Josh Allen as the QB. Shakir we weren't even sure was going to make the team. Right now on paper our best WR weapon is a tiny slot guy that can attack the short and intermediate areas of the field but isn't a deep threat. The rest until proven otherwise would be considered an average WR3 or 4 on most teams.

I think that this is a major part of the disconnect. Just because he doesn’t “need” a number 1 doesn’t mean that the offense wouldn’t be better with one. That’s obvious. The question becomes, can they keep winning with a bottom 5 WR room? We all hope so. Would they be better off if you plugged Metcalf at the top of the depth chart (for example)? Of course they would. You need to remember that the Bills were +24 in turnover differential last year. No other team was more than +16. Other than that no other team was more than +12!! That’s a massive gap. If the Bills even fall to 3rd best in turnover differential we are talking about almost an extra turnover a game that they either commit on offense or don’t get on defense. This is often lost in these conversations. The Bills had the fewest negative plays ever (turnovers and sacks). We shouldn’t expect that again or even close to it. When that regresses, even if it’s still good, will the playmakers around Josh be good enough to overcome it?

Faster than Coleman, not even joking

Very true … we also probably have some of the best examples of the Brutalist style which is …. 👎

I’d take him over AJE

Combination ?

Well, phew, as I am glad I don't do what you say in part above.. Like years ago when I was so happy, as he 'progressed" here, that EJ Manuel was beginning to throw the ball 'in the vicinity' of receivers, getting the ball consistently within 2-4 feet of them. We were saved.

I think we know more than you may realize... We know Diggs wasn't the same in Brady's offense and also had some big drops. We know that Palmer is seen to have better hands, bigger route tree, better route runner, and more consistent at getting open than Davis has been. We know Keon was on pace as a rookie before he got hurt in week 11 to hit 800-900 yards and 7+ TD's. And this was despite not being a full time starter, playing in a spread the ball around offense that saw Allen connecting with 8 to 10 different receivers most weeks. We know Shakir is a better player in 2025 than he was in 2023. We know Samuel is better than Sherfield. We know Moore is better than Harty. So yes, we haven't seen the group on the field yet...nothing is certain...but its more than reasonable to think our WR situation is better today than when Gabe Davis last walked off the field playing for the Bills.

Here's what is returned when the word track you used is input into google: When someone is "propositioned," it means they have been asked or suggested to engage in a sexual act, often in a direct and sometimes offensive manner. It's a way of saying someone has been asked to have sex by someone who is not in a relationship with them. The part I wasn't understanding was why you, an outraged citizen, wouldn't have reported that type of behavior to the police. I asked that question earlier, but you must have missed it. Now, since you've clarified to include 'commericial purposes', I'd think it's much more benign than what you initially seemed to imply. I agree that it's a cheesy thing to do, and James O'Keefe is as 'meh' as most undercover journalists tend to be. The war memorial visit is in very poor taste. Manipulation is par for the course at O'Keefe, at NYT, WaPo, CNN, Fox, etc. Still, children are used in commercials for just about every commercial venture ever, and in most political campaigns. It's kind of hard for me to muster outrage here.

What are you "hearing about" from him? Him posting a picture of he and Josh celebrating? The guy wants to be paid market fair market value (of which you're lowballing). So what? I'll never understand fans like you that get personally offended and lash out over business. If he was talking crap about Josh or the team like Diggs, i'd get it. But all he's ever talked about is his feeling he should be paid more. He should. And It's not your money. I don't get why you're so angry as to be constantly personally insulting him. Brandon Beane isn't bothered or angry about it. Why are you?

Great take, Josh doesn’t need #1s because we’re going to run the ball down team’s throats and make underrated receivers have the best yeats of their careers. With our defense improved, I’ve never been more optimistic.

Another Springsteen redo: