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34-20 Bills.

All it takes is more targets!

Kyle Shanahan/sean Mcvay

The critical downfall is on Defense- MCcDs DEFENSE… pure and simple. It absolutely fails on all 3 critical components: a) NO Pass Rush; b) NO coverage; c) NO ability to tackle properly. In that, Shaw’s findings of absence of power and total lack of speed, plus- let’s face it, absence of ABILITY are self evident. There is no SB down the road with these scrubs. To make it a catastrophic failure, OBD decide to waste all available Draft resources on this poor D and Beanie Boy clearly rolled snake eyes. NOBODY can get free on Offense (other than Cook who is never on the field for critical 3rd Down and long RECEPTIONS) and therefore nobody eats! What a total management failure for one of the greatest football athletes invented! It is to weep.

Okay, if Palmer goes on IR, I would try to get Elijah Moore involved--he showed good speed and instincts on his touches this year. Also, why not get a young speedster to stretch the defense, and actually throw him the ball, like the Chiefs have done with Tyquan Thornton?

I don't think people understand just how massive of a failure it would be to lose the division & now be looking up at NE... We had a team that was supposed to be competing for a SB... with an MVP QB, several years worth of drafts/free agencies/other roster moves, and yet, instead of building on that & getting better, the moves we've made have made us worse. To allow NE to overtake us is a huge indictment on the front office & HC. That means the other team is hitting on their players, while you're not. It could also mean their coaches & just better too.

Kyle Shanahan/sean Mcvay

Bills 35 Panthers 17

Buffalo 37, Carolina 21

Because Brady is incompetent and a big black spot tarnishing your legacy

This was an very balanced, realistic summary of how we look after six weeks. We've had this lull around weeks 5-7 the last four seasons. One difference is our defense looks much more helpless. I am hopeful that the players will improve and gel into a solid unit. But I wish we'd play the younger guys with more physical abiliity more: Hancock, Ingram, Walker, etc., over the vets who are barely hanging on, like Tre. Even if they have growing pains, they often improve with game play. A guy like Elam, who has a lot of talent, didn't get the time to develop here. Now he's starting for Dallas and played damn well the last two games--it might be coming together for him finally.

Thoughtful and interesting. I disagree about a few things, I guess. About speed, Cook is fast, and it's still showing, IMO. When our 1st round pick comes back, we should see some more of that on defense as well. You say that the Chiefs have speed and give Rashee Rice as an example. Rice really isn't that fast. 4.51, if I remember correctly. He's more quick than fast. And plenty of times quickness can serve in place of speed. I have no problems with our power, or at least on the OL, the part you mentioned. Dawkins, Torrence and Brown are wildly powerful and McGovern's a big strong dude at center as well. I don't think that's a problem at all. On defense I can see this as more of a problem, particularly with DaQuan out. Offensive stagnation and struggling with mediocre opponents I think are very reasonable criticisms. Particularly the past two games or so. Hard to tell whether this was a bad streak or a season-long problem, but it's certainly true of what we've seen recently. Thanks for the thoughts. I am just as worried about injury trends and the awful riptide of penalties lately. Plus the fact that the D isn't getting turnovers. That's never been a problem in this D before. IMO a lot is to do with the safeties just not confusing anybody. They aren't as wily and in synch as the guys we grew used to. My guess on the odds of that happening? 0.02%. As a result of serious injury.

My whole hypothesis as to why they picked Hairston is to be an answer to Worthy and his speed. We seem to chase the Chiefs. We’re more reactive to them instead of proactive. Make them chase us for a change.

21 to 19 Bils

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pro-football-history.com/coach/1184/sean-mcdermott-bio Coaching trees are subjective because coaches dont stay put. According to this he does. In my opinion Daboll is for sure a branch on his coaching tree. Also for those who think McDermott doesnt know offense. You dont get to be both a defensive coordinator and a successful head coach in the frickin NFL of all places without knowing offense. Just call the thread what it is. Another we hate McDermott thread.

We took Sammy over Mack and Aaron Donald too 😡 our front office has failed us for a long time!

Why would you not consider Frazier, Dabs and Brady as part of his tree? Certainly they all had some experience previous to joining the Bills. But that's the way it generally works. It's not that common for guys to start out already with the person who will be their biggest mentor. I mean, Sean Payton is considered part of Parcells' tree. But he only spent four years with Parcells. He'd been a coach since '88 and didn't get to the Cowboys with Parcells from 2003 to 2005. I can see not going with Frazier, I can. But Dabs and Brady I'd say would absolutely be part of McD's tree. I'd expect more as time goes on. How successful the tree will be, I dunno, it doesn't seem to be predictable. Belichick's tree is awful, big but awful. Parcells was a defensive guy. Payton is on offense. Belichick has guys on his tree from both sides of the ball, as do many others. Same with Bill Walsh; it's pretty common.

We Bills fans might need an intervention, as in "Repeat after me: This is not a SB contender, nor even a playoff team. This is a injury-plagued, poorly coached, profoundly mediocre team with a super-nova at quarterback." I would still resist saying it, but my resistance is starting to weaken.

This and the standing Buffalo are my favorites

We’re the bills, we’re billsy 😞

And maybe playing with a JV receiving corps will improve Josh's accuracy. Could happen!

I’ve said similar and got lots of downvotes for it 😂 I think we might get 3-4 years which takes him until he’s what, 33? If no Lombardi is forthcoming by then due to usual reasons (Defence, no top tier weapons for him, McD still there coaching scared etc…) then I wouldn’t begrudge him moving on to a west coast team in search of a SB, the rams would fit him perfectly if McVay is still there

Cover 1 did a deep dive on secondary, and Tarons tape is solid. Tales of Tarons demise are greatly exaggerated Rapp, White, and Bernard are the big problems on D 2025

Thank you! On a different note, over the years I've seen a lot of people say that we can "manipulate" the roster through IR's and PUP's. There were even posts in this thread alleging we were doing that with Strong to make room for others. And while it's true that we have "Redshirted" Rookies - there needs to be an actual injury to IR or PUP someone. It can be something small or a voluntary procedure on something small, that they then keep them on the list for. But you can't just willy nilly throw someone on a list to make room for others.