Thurman#1 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Mike Williams was not tops at his position either. Crabtree blows him away. Are you kidding? There was widespread speculation that he was passing up a chance at the Heisman by entering the draft. He was sixth in the Heisman voting his last year. You're right that he might not have been tops at his position, because that was the year Fitzgerald was drafted, but Williams was being mentioned right in the same breath as Fitzgerald. And if Crabtree and Fitzgerald had come out in the same year, Crabtree wouldn't have been #1 either. Wait, Crabtree wasn't even #1 this year, never mind a year where he would have been competing with Fitzgerald. Williams was drafted #10 after a complete year off, and that year off doubtless dropped him several spots. "As a freshman in 2002, Williams had near All-America numbers: 81 catches for 1,265 yards and 14 touchdowns. The following year, it was 95 receptions for 1,314 yards and 16 touchdowns. Williams’ one-handed catch in the back of the end zone against Oregon State wore out SportsCenter viewers. Williams was an all-everything with two years of eligibility remaining." "... the nation's most explosive and dynamic reciever..." http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft0...yer%3fid%3d8922 Mel Kiper in a column on his ten worst evaluations: "10. 2005: Mike Williams, WR, USC -- No. 10 overall pick by the Detroit Lions "I thought he was the best player in the 2005 draft." http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=244595 "There may not be a better physical specimen in the entire draft. ... As long as Williams duplicates the numbers he posted in workouts last year, he will be the first wide receiver off the board in this draft." Football's Future http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/prospe...e_williams.html Crabtree doesn't blow Williams away at all. Right out of college, they are very comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm amazed you people who are speculating where Crabtree will go in next years draft actually believe he'll be in next year's draft. There is no way he's in next year's draft. He'll either sign with SF or he will be traded away by the 49ers at some point before the draft. We've seen guys miss a few games, McKinnie missed quite a few before the signing deadline but got it done, & of course we've seen Indianapolis give up on signing Bennett & trade him. We've even see guys sit out their whole rookie year, then sign or get traded in the offseason before the next draft. There's 0% chance the 49ers will just throw the pick away. I guarantee he either signs or gets traded before next year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm amazed you people who are speculating where Crabtree will go in next years draft actually believe he'll be in next year's draft. There is no way he's in next year's draft. He'll either sign with SF or he will be traded away by the 49ers at some point before the draft. We've seen guys miss a few games, McKinnie missed quite a few before the signing deadline but got it done, & of course we've seen Indianapolis give up on signing Bennett & trade him. We've even see guys sit out their whole rookie year, then sign or get traded in the offseason before the next draft.There's 0% chance the 49ers will just throw the pick away. I guarantee he either signs or gets traded before next year's draft. Exactly. This is how negotiations are done. "I'm going back into the draft." "Well, go ahead." And then a week later a contract is signed. The people who believe him are probably the people who believed Jason Peters when he said he wasn't lowering his offer anymore. Hello, that's what you're supposed to say. He'll sign this year, I have to believe Crabtree's smart enough to figure out, eventually, that that is simply his best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Are you kidding? There was widespread speculation that he was passing up a chance at the Heisman by entering the draft. He was sixth in the Heisman voting his last year. You're right that he might not have been tops at his position, because that was the year Fitzgerald was drafted, but Williams was being mentioned right in the same breath as Fitzgerald. And if Crabtree and Fitzgerald had come out in the same year, Crabtree wouldn't have been #1 either. Wait, Crabtree wasn't even #1 this year, never mind a year where he would have been competing with Fitzgerald. Williams was drafted #10 after a complete year off, and that year off doubtless dropped him several spots. "As a freshman in 2002, Williams had near All-America numbers: 81 catches for 1,265 yards and 14 touchdowns. The following year, it was 95 receptions for 1,314 yards and 16 touchdowns. Williams’ one-handed catch in the back of the end zone against Oregon State wore out SportsCenter viewers. Williams was an all-everything with two years of eligibility remaining." "... the nation's most explosive and dynamic reciever..." http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft0...yer%3fid%3d8922 Mel Kiper in a column on his ten worst evaluations: "10. 2005: Mike Williams, WR, USC -- No. 10 overall pick by the Detroit Lions "I thought he was the best player in the 2005 draft." http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=244595 "There may not be a better physical specimen in the entire draft. ... As long as Williams duplicates the numbers he posted in workouts last year, he will be the first wide receiver off the board in this draft." Football's Future http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/prospe...e_williams.html Crabtree doesn't blow Williams away at all. Right out of college, they are very comparable. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 If he goes back into the draft, I guarantee some moron here will suggest Buffalo draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I agree with all of the people here who believe it's a slim chance of him making it to next years draft but I don't believe another team will give into his contract demands and spend a high draft pick for him. Stranger things have happened and he's already shown himself to be pretty stupid on the contract negotiations. Here's a great article that explains all of his options. Well, alright, let's say the 49ers can't work out a deal that makes sense for them and he re-enters the draft. Crabtree cannot even being to talk to another team until the day of the draft, as per the CBA. So no combine, no pro day, no big workouts for NFL brass. No phone interviews with execs. Nothing. The 49ers control his rights until the 2010 draft. So, after missing the combine in 2009 due to injury, teams still wouldn't have recent measurables on him or know his 40 time. There would be no recent film on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I just saw on ESPN News that Michael Crabtree is going to sit out the entire year, and re-enter the draft in 2010. I wonder where he will go, still Top 10? I doubt so with his attitude. However, when he drops, he will go to a better team where he will likely have better success. I think he is making a very big mistake, the 49ers seem headed in a good direction. What are your thoughts on Crabtree's decision. Also, I just saw that Pisa Tinoisimoa got hurt. Not sure what the extent of the injury is, Lovie Smith just said in his press conference that he suffered an injury and will be re-evaluated. I think Ellison, Harris and Palmer are better options than this guy, had we signed him in the off-season. [/quote 2-3 round. No way he gets picked in the first. Eugene Parkers career may have just ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Glad we didn't pick the fool. Glad we didn't have the chance to pick him. Would love to say if he had been there, we would have passed, but... He's losing a lot of money if he re-enters the draft next year. Maybe he just doesn't want to play in SF? Looks like the Niners may have righted the ship, so I don't get why he wouldn't want to play out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What team is going to want to draft this headcase next April knowing that they will then have to worry about trying to sign him? Not many I suspect which will lower his draft slot significantly. The guy blew it and is gonna lose $ millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 My guess is by this time he's let himself get out of shape and doesn't want to embarrass himself- situations like this make me wonder about performance incentives are they avoided by players or teams- if I thought I was better than the contract offer I'd say fine but if I make certain goals I want a bonus and a renegotiation of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 The Michael Crabtree situation is THE EXACT REASON when the new labor contract is signed, rookies need to have little to no negotiating power since they are UNPROVEN ROOKIES!! That money should go to established veterans, or to retired pros who could use the health insurance and or pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWVaBeach Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Crabtree must be one of the biggest idiots on the planet...even his agent called him out and is like WTF... There is NO possible way Crabtree gets drafted higher than he was this year. He will be lucky if he is drafted in the first round, after not having played at all for a year. Basically all this guy is doing is leaving a lot of guarenteed money on the table and delaying his ability to hit free agency and get an even bigger payday with his 2nd contract(if he is any good that is)... He'll lose Millions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 He'll lose Millions! He's going to pull the Costanza and hold out for less money. Brilliant strategy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taterhill Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 San Fran just beat the defending NFC Champs on the road...yeah he has a ton of bargaining power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I cannot wait until this blows up in his face. !@#$ing greedy POS! The NFL draft salaries are slotted. He thinks it does not apply to him. I wish him bad luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I agree with all of the people here who believe it's a slim chance of him making it to next years draft but I don't believe another team will give into his contract demands and spend a high draft pick for him. Stranger things have happened and he's already shown himself to be pretty stupid on the contract negotiations. Here's a great article that explains all of his options. Well, alright, let's say the 49ers can't work out a deal that makes sense for them and he re-enters the draft. Crabtree cannot even being to talk to another team until the day of the draft, as per the CBA. So no combine, no pro day, no big workouts for NFL brass. No phone interviews with execs. Nothing. The 49ers control his rights until the 2010 draft. So, after missing the combine in 2009 due to injury, teams still wouldn't have recent measurables on him or know his 40 time. There would be no recent film on him. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 This is a very poor bluff. He has no intentions of entering next year's draft---he wouldn't be drafted as high and wouldn't even come close to being offered the amount he's currently turning down. If he's looking to maximize his payday, reentering the draft is the worst move he could make. His only chance at making big money is to sign with SF. He needs a real agent--not the clown he has. This kid's brain injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbyte Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Since there will be no salary cap next year he thinks. maybe rightfully so, that some team will draft him and pay the big money without needing to worry about salary cap ramifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Since there will be no salary cap next year he thinks. maybe rightfully so, that some team will draft him and pay the big money without needing to worry about salary cap ramifications. I just think he's stupid and egotistical on a whole new level. You miss training camps as a ploy, not games. The 49ers now know he has no choice to sign with them unless he wants to lose a whole, whole lot of money. They have very little reason at this point to offer him the money they were previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWVaBeach Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 He's going to pull the Costanza and hold out for less money. Brilliant strategy! yadayadayada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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