The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 LJ to the Pats is bizarre, isn't it? The Pats need a RB, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Seriously--Omon as a back-up to Lynch, who already takes a pounding, is scary. I wonder if there's another RB in the deal. Maybe 3-way deal involving the Steelers and we get one of their back-up RB's? They may plan on running Corey McIntyre more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 ecstatic? I didnt watch the preseason so I wouldn't know....But anyone out there!!--Did watching Omon out there in preseason make you ecstatic? I said the coaches, were ecstatic. And they were. I watched the preseason and thought Omon looked alright, but not yet ready to replace Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 72.65.1.186 That's the IP of the wiki poster who "broke" this info. It's a Verizon IP issued to someone in Buffalo... hmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABills08 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I am happy to trade Jackson for the right player. But, I can also see why a lot of Fans seem to be skeptical of a trade involving him. In reality I don't think the Bills will do it, simply because who will step in to fill his role? I doubt we will depend on a rookie who could be extremely good at some point, but remember he didn't even play against top competition in COLLEGE and he will be thrown into a nasty playoff race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Everyone is assuming the tech geek at OBD was working on a Sunday and was the first one alerted to "the trade". I think not. It's Sunday, so I am almost absolutely certain a web-geek is working today. In fact, the Bills site gets updated 7 days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbillsfan12 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would like to have Gonzalez. I don't think giving up Jackson for him is a good idea though. I don't think Gonzalez's contribution to the offense would be greater than Jackson's. FJ has turned into one of my favorite players on the team, I don't think this pans out. It's not like TG is going to fill his role on special teams, considering the importance placed on ST by this coaching staff I can't see this happening. I would love to see FJ used as featured back for a couple of games just to see how productive he would be with this O line. I love ML but I'd like to see if it's him or the blocking thats the culprit in the Bills mediocre run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 The Pats need a RB, that's for sure. True; just can't picture LJ and his bad attitude in a Pats uniform. Randy Moss was another matter-- he's a guy who came in saying all the right things, wanting to win. LJ basically just wants the ball 30 times a game. Not sure that would fly in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 True; just can't picture LJ and his bad attitude in a Pats uniform. Randy Moss was another matter-- he's a guy who came in saying all the right things, wanting to win. LJ basically just wants the ball 30 times a game. Not sure that would fly in New England. The New England Patriots* have become the House of Douchebags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwolf02 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Like I said in the other thread, I don't see how trading Freddie for TG benefits us at all. Jackson has been a HUGE part of our successful start, and I'm not sold on the fact that what we gain going from Royal to Gonzalez outweighs what we lose in Action Freddie as a spark plug on offense and ST. He's been quite more impressive/valuable than Lynch this season IMO. EDIT: As Dean alluded to... what would the explanation be for Jackson being removed from the roster and depth chart if not for an unannounced trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 This is a lopsided trade, if it were not to be a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Like I said in the other thread, I don't see how trading Freddie for TG benefits us at all. Jackson has been a HUGE part of our successful start, and I'm not sold on the fact that what we gain going from Royal to Gonzalez outweighs what we lose in Action Freddie as a spark plug on offense and ST. He's been quite more impressive/valuable than Lynch this season IMO. don't worry, he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 For what it's worth this is what Wiki says:On October 12th, 2008, in a sudden turn of events, Fred Jackson has been sent to the Kansas City Chiefs packaged with a 3rd round draft pick for TE Tony Gonzalez. In addition RB Larry Johnson has been sent to the New England Patriots for undisclosed draft pick(s). Well, im calling shenigans. This is hot news on all Bills related msg boards and it's unregistered users making the edits on the Wiki. Sounds like trolling/puberal fun imho. I'm sticking to the front office broke the new website theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Like I said in the other thread, I don't see how trading Freddie for TG benefits us at all. There's one thing to really like a guy and hope he doesn't get dealt, but this is ridiculous. If you can't see how getting TG wouldn't help our team, then I really don't know what to say. Our TEs are horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I think it's a website issue; Darian Barnes was released and his page still exists: http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/darian-barnes/ however Fred's page is gone: http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Fred-Jackson/. Assuming player status is linked in the new website from their personal pages I'm going to say someone goofed up in the website editor which caused his page to dissappear with a side effect of him dissappearing automaticlly from the roster etc. Maybe. But Oman is now listed as the second RB. Who do we have as a third RB? Assuming this "trade" went/goes through.... I do find it pretty odd Jackson is off the roster, regardless if he is involved in a trade or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 LJ to the Pats is bizarre, isn't it? Well the thing about this rumor is it makes a lot of sense. I think Edwards may be gone at the end of the year and I think they are going into major rebuilding mode. Getting a third round pick and FJ for Gonzalez helps them and keeps Gonzalez happy. Trading LJ to NE makes sense too because they'll probably pick up a 2nd rounder which will make their draft pretty heavy next year. It works good for the Bills and NE* because NE* needs a valid ground threat to keep the pressure off of Cassel. As for it being weird to see it changed on a Sunday night it is a holiday tomorrow so maybe the geek has the day off. I know I'm reaching but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Well, im calling shenigans. This is hot news on all Bills related msg boards and it's unregistered users making the edits on the Wiki. Sounds like trolling/puberal fun imho. I'm sticking to the front office broke the new website theory. I think it has to be shenanigans, this would have been reported already, NBC would be drooling over the opportunity to report it half time, so if it's not mentioned then, I will likewise call it fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Well, im calling shenigans. This is hot news on all Bills related msg boards and it's unregistered users making the edits on the Wiki. Sounds like trolling/puberal fun imho. I'm sticking to the front office broke the new website theory. Very likely that you are correct. It could also, as I kind of stated earlier, be the website people working on several different scenarios, to be ready IN CASE a trade is made, and the wrong pages were made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 EDIT: As Dean alluded to... what would the explanation be for Jackson being removed from the roster and depth chart if not for an unannounced trade? BB.com website guy accidentally deleted Jackson when he meant to delete Barnes? Let's hope this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 BB.com website guy accidentally deleted Jackson when he meant to delete Barnes? Let's hope this is it. What a stretch. The website having no Jackson is the only reason I think it may be true, but I don't know why they would do that before it goes public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilannie Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe Fred Jackson tested positive for something and is facing a suspension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe Fred Jackson tested positive for something and is facing a suspension? Suspend him from the website. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Well, NE does NEED a RB in the worst way. They are not going to win with Cassell and they know it. If they become a team that is centered around a game changing RB, they might just win. And as for Jackson sparking our offense, I agree. He has been a huge part of our offense. But, most of his spark comes from being able to catch out of the back field. I TG can replace Jackson's receptions and the some, we will be even better off. As for Jackson's running aility, Lynch has to step up. Lynch was the 1st rounder, not Jackson, so he needs to step up his game. While I hate to see Jackson leave, where the Bills really going to make an effort to sign him up long-term at theend of this year? I dunno, but there could have been a big chance of him leaving anyways. In all, I guess I have to like this trade. However, Jackson seems to be one of the only players that has shown up to each and every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Fred Jackson himself is worth a third rounder. The Chiefs were asking for a third rounder. It's impossible for me to believe that we would offer a third and Freddie. There would be no reason. Why wouldnt we just give them the third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe. But Oman is now listed as the second RB. Who do we have as a third RB? Assuming this "trade" went/goes through.... I do find it pretty odd Jackson is off the roster, regardless if he is involved in a trade or not. Technically it makes sense, if they automated the roster and depth. If a page goes awalk then next inline becomes number 2. The website being new makes both sense for them to have it automated and to having it fail badly due to human input error. It makes more sense then us trading FJ AND a 3rd for TG. FJ and a 5th maybe but not a third and FJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwolf02 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 There's one thing to really like a guy and hope he doesn't get dealt, but this is ridiculous. If you can't see how getting TG wouldn't help our team, then I really don't know what to say. Our TEs are horrible. I know TG is a huge upgrade over Schouman, Fine, Royal, etc, etc, but I don't think giving up Jackson is the right price to pay for that, especially if it also includes a 3rd. Outside of Edwards, I would say that Fred has been just as integral to the team as anyone else if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I love Freddie Jackson, and would hate to see him go, but IMO Tony G would make a much bigger impact on this team, in the short term (next two years). This team needs to start using the TE better, and I think that instantly happens with the acquisition of Gonzo. It also makes the D play less aggressively at the LOS, giving the Bills' RBs more room to run. Even if the Bills don't add any new plays to take full advantage of TG until later in the year, or next year, he helps the team utilize the TE position better, next week. Now, I think they can use the TE better next week, with the current personnel, but they probably won't. With TG, they will, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe Fred Jackson tested positive for something and is facing a suspension? Very doubtful. Why would KC take him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 What a stretch. The website having no Jackson is the only reason I think it may be true, but I don't know why they would do that before it goes public. Can anyone positively confirm that Jackson was indeed on the roster and depth chart a few days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilannie Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Very doubtful. Why would KC take him then? No, I mean that's why he's off the depth chart/roster for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 What a stretch. The website having no Jackson is the only reason I think it may be true, but I don't know why they would do that before it goes public. It's at least plausible. Barnes just got cut; BB.com just re-did their webpage; could have been a simple mistake. It would be nice to know when the change was made on bb.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe Fred Jackson tested positive for something and is facing a suspension? Thatb doesnt explain all his info gone. Plus the roster has a reserved/suspended list it it's pulldown menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilannie Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jason peters is also off the depth chart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I know TG is a huge upgrade over Schouman, Fine, Royal, etc, etc, but I don't think giving up Jackson is the right price to pay for that, especially if it also includes a 3rd. Outside of Edwards, I would say that Fred has been just as integral to the team as anyone else if not more. Jesus H Christ, cmon guy. Jackson behind only Edwards? How about Evans who was first in the AFC in yards coming into this week? Listen I love Freddy Jackson, and he's a helluva back-up running back. He may even become a solid starter someday. But if we could swap our back-up RB for Tony frigging Gonzalez, you pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I love Freddie Jackson, and would hate to see him go, but IMO Tony G would make a much bigger impact on this team, in the short term (next two years). This team needs to start using the TE better, and I think that instantly happens with the acquisition of Gonzo. It also makes the D play less aggressively at the LOS, giving the Bills' RBs more room to run. Even if the Bills don't add any new plays to take full advantage of TG until later in the year, or next year, he helps the team utilize the TE position better, next week. Now, I think they can use the TE better next week, with the current personnel, but they probably won't. With TG, they will, IMO. What he said. I would rather see JP go than Jackson and I think he'd be worth more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 It would be nice to know when the change was made on bb.com. Google cache has him on the 8th so anywhere between the 9th and today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jason peters is also off the depth chart! So is Barnes and Crowell WTF!!!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jason peters is also off the depth chart! This is one big trade! My new working theory is, the guy at the Bills' website is drunk/high/pissed off/last day at work, and is having fun jerking our chains on bb.com, and wiki. That bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 It's at least plausible. Barnes just got cut; BB.com just re-did their webpage; could have been a simple mistake. It would be nice to know when the change was made on bb.com. It's also plausible that New England wants to wait until after their game to announce the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jesus H Christ, cmon guy. Jackson behind only Edwards? How about Evans who was first in the AFC in yards coming into this week? Listen I love Freddy Jackson, and he's a helluva back-up running back. He may even become a solid starter someday. But if we could swap our back-up RB for Tony frigging Gonzalez, you pull the trigger. Is his value to you simply "back-up RB"? I agree with your logic, but Jackson is clearly a play maker with a game-changing potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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