At what point do we HAVE to play JP?

[nick in* england]

IMO JP needs to play at LEAST 8 games this year - preferably more. With any fewer next year starts just like this year.

 

I like winning as much as any of the rest of you - but JP needs to be in the huddle, making plays not stood watching on the sideline.

 

Look at the Niners - they're going with Alex Smith NOW - at 1-3, just like the Bills were...

 

I'm not giving up on the season - but if we are going to have any long-term success or a shot at the title it's going to be with JP at the helm. He needs playing time pure and simple.

 

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

[1billsfan]

IMO JP needs to play at LEAST 8 games this year - preferably more. With any fewer next year starts just like this year.

 

I like winning as much as any of the rest of you - but JP needs to be in the huddle, making plays not stood watching on the sideline.

 

Look at the Niners - they're going with Alex Smith NOW - at 1-3, just like the Bills were...

 

I'm not giving up on the season - but if we are going to have any long-term success or a shot at the title it's going to be with JP at the helm. He needs playing time pure and simple.

 

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

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Don't be suprised to see him in the Jet game if the Bills offense looks bad again and we're down double digits in the third quarter. One thing JP has over Holcomb is his ability to run. If Holcomb can't avoid getting sacked regularly behind our weak pass protecting line, Malarkey may give the ball and the opportunity to Losman to pull off a home comeback and help him gain stature as a leader on the offense.

[Ned Flanders]

if we are going to have any long-term success or a shot at the title it's going to be with JP at the helm. He needs playing time pure and simple.

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I'm really starting to have a problem with the thought of many that JP is the key to future success. He has showed nothing, NOTHING to suggest that this is the guy who's going to lead the Bills to the promised land.

 

Now, I've only been watching this game for about 40 years, so I might be missing something. What is it, what is the magic that is JP that people think he is the end-all? What is it that folks see in JP to even remotely believe that he is the ingredient to future success? Was it week one vs the Texans? Something in a preseason game? Did he SAY something right during the off-season?

 

He's a first round pick, that's the given...but the NFL scrap heap is full of first round QB busts (Shuler, Leaf, etc, etc). I hope JP is the second coming of Jim Kelly...but I have yet to see anything remotely close to a winning NFL qb in this guy.

 

"But we'll never know until he plays," you howl. "And he's got the TOOLS," you add. I dunno...I just don't see it. He's just missing something, something that could lead me to believe that this guy IS the answer.

 

Maybe we see something in JP this week...or next. Or next month, or next year. But as the Bills head into the sixth game of a sixteen game schedule, I believe Holcomb is the man.

[wnyguy]

Well, the fact remains that we will never know until he plays.

[Adam]

Don't be suprised to see him in the Jet game if the Bills offense looks bad again and we're down double digits in the third quarter. One thing JP has over Holcomb is his ability to run. If Holcomb can't avoid getting sacked regularly behind our weak pass protecting line, Malarkey may give the ball and the opportunity to Losman to pull off a home comeback and help him gain stature as a leader on the offense.

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Donahoe and Mularkey saw something in him- and thats all that matters.

 

He looked very green in his 4 games, but he looked like a QV- something we havent seen since #12 retired

[UConn James]

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

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Happened last year as people were willing to stick with Bledose until he came up small vs. Pitt. m it'll happen this year as everyone's screaming to start Holcomb b/c he'll get us a guaranteed 5 wins (WOO HOO for mediocrity!!! ). It's called patience, something that NO ONE here has. Everyone expects the catepillar to instantly turn into the butterfly.

 

Fully agree with the timeframe. If he doesn't get playing time at least the last half of the season, we'll be doing the same thing next season, and if we still have wishy-washy coaches and TC's craptacular playcalling, he will ride the pine again and either go Ryan-Leaf-crazy or oxidize or both.

 

I'm really starting to have a problem with the thought of many that JP is the key to future success.  He has showed nothing, NOTHING to suggest that this is the guy who's going to lead the Bills to the promised land.

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HE'S PLAYED FOUR EFFING GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CoachChuckDickerson]

HE'S PLAYED FOUR EFFING GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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and he got worse every game. Let him watch for a while, he isn't ready, plain and simple.

[macaroni]

Look at the Niners - they're going with Alex Smith NOW - at 1-3, just like the Bills were...

 

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The big difference is that the 49ers STARTED the season with their vet QB, he wasn't getting results, so they made the change to the rookie to give him experiance.

 

With the Bills, they started the rookie feeling that he could play conservative, not make stupid mistakes, keep us in games, and the defense and special teams could end up winning for us ('ala the steelers last year).

 

BUT ...... the defense isn't nearly as good as we anticipated, and expecting your special teams to win games singlehanded is pretty weak, add that to a QB who seeminly can't hit the side of a barn and we too must make a change in the other direction.

 

I'm not saying JP will not eventually be the future ..... but I think we can all agree is is NOT the present ...... and like it or not ...... the coaches future rides on their win loss record NOW.

 

To us fans there may be no difference between an 8-8 record starting Holcomb and a 4-12 record while getting experiance for JP, but trust me ...... there IS a big difference between 8-8 and 4-12 to the coaches point of view ..... and they don't (or at least shouldn't) care who is the starter as long as they win.

[Fezmid]

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

If we're 5-3 (or even 4-4), I'll mortgage next year.

 

CW

[DeeRay]

when do we need to play JP?

 

It all depends...

 

Is this a playoff team or not?

 

If not, sure, play JP and anyone else you feel is a big part of the future of this team. But, don't set unreasonable expectations for the team and don't bullschitt the fans. You'd probably have to get rid of the long time vets that want to win now too, because they're not stupid and hate to rebuild.

 

If so, then you've got to put your best 22 on the field and let it roll.

 

Personally, I think this team is a "borderline" playoff team, even with Holcomb starting. I also think JP is in over his head. Sure, it's easy to say play JP. But, what about the other 10 guys around him? If they don't have the utmost confidence and trust that JP can lead them, make the right decisions, and consistently move the team, don't you run the risk of those 10 other guys having a sense of hopelessness? They may play hard, and play only to save their own jobs, but if they don't believe and have confidence that what they do is going to make a difference.... well, that's a tough environment to go to work in every day. I mean, even when the kid is protected he makes the wrong throws or misses wide open receeivers. What happened to being rewarded for playing well?

 

If I were the coach, the first thing I'd do is tell Mr. Donahoe to "butt out"... and if he doesn't like it, fire me and let him coach the team. The second thing I'd do is continue to start Holcomb until Holcomb proves he's not the best option. In addition, I'd continue to give JP a certain number of plays each game that are especially designed to take advantage of certain situations for each opponent. I recall the 49ers doing this when Sam Wyche was an offensive assistant, back in 1980. They'd start DeBerg, then yank him and put Montana in for a few plays. Then go back to DeBerg, then to Montana, etc. They weren't willing to mortgage the future for the present.

[UConn James]

Personally, I think this team is a "borderline" playoff team, even with Holcomb starting. 

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<Jim Mora voice> PLAYOFFS??!?!!?? PLAYOFFS??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???? </Jim Mora voice>

[1billsfan]

and he got worse every game. Let him watch for a while, he isn't ready, plain and simple.

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I took a look at the Saints game yesterday and was astonished at how our coaches put JP behind the eight ball. After a solid touchdown drive on he's first possession the coaches lost it in terms of play calling. We get the ball on our 10 yard line and after Willis gets stuffed Malarkey calls a rollout to the right when max protection was on the left hand side. An untouched Saint promptly almost sacks him for a saftey. On the next possession they had him rolling out to his left (JP is a right handed QB!) and when he tried to transition to turn and plant he got hammered as he lets the ball go. What we had was a team that was getting stuffed on first down and a green QB that got shaken quickly being on the road with the coaches stupifying play calling. When you have bad field position on the road you play conservative with a seven point lead. The coaches were pulling stuff out of their collective butts that still had me shaking my head. A veteren QB might have weathered the storm, but I would have liked to see what JP would have done if the coaches played it by the book. On average JP was getting hit at 2 1/2 seconds when passing, I'm hoping he gets another chance soon with the coaches putting him in better positions for success.

[RuntheDamnBall]

1billsfan makes a good point wrt the coaching, which is that no matter who is directing this offense, it seems to succeed early on and then deflate. Clements seems to be wholly unable to adjust his playcalling to suit the situation at hand. At least last week a steady diet of Willis was able to put us in a ball-control situation that kept us alive for the win.

[DeeRay]

a green QB that got shaken quickly

 

I think you summed it up for yourself.

 

If the kid can't handle get shaken quickly and dealing with it, then he's not ready. If you dumb down the offense for him, not only do you water down the talent around him (if any), you also simplified defending against the offense.

 

Can't have it both ways... if you're going to exclusively go with JP than you essentially have to tank the season because the offensive impotence will not only cause frustration on the other 10 guys on offense, it will now add pressure to an already struggling defense and cause them to be on the field longer. It will also result in losing the battle of field position... especially when the Bills offense gets pinned back... the net affect is that the opposing offense will play on a short field much of the time.

 

The Bills coaching staff is much better off dictating to the opposition, when they will use JP and what plays they will run, and how often they will do that.

[Ramius]

I'm really starting to have a problem with the thought of many that JP is the key to future success.  He has showed nothing, NOTHING to suggest that this is the guy who's going to lead the Bills to the promised land.

 

Now, I've only been watching this game for about 40 years, so I might be missing something.  What is it, what is the magic that is JP that people think he is the end-all?  What is it that folks see in JP to even remotely believe that he is the ingredient to future success?  Was it week one vs the Texans?  Something in a preseason game?  Did he SAY something right during the off-season?

 

He's a first round pick, that's the given...but the NFL scrap heap is full of first round QB busts (Shuler, Leaf, etc, etc).  I hope JP is the second coming of Jim Kelly...but I have yet to see anything remotely close to a winning NFL qb in this guy.

 

"But we'll never know until he plays," you howl.  "And he's got the TOOLS," you add.  I dunno...I just don't see it.  He's just missing something, something that could lead me to believe that this guy IS the answer.

 

Maybe we see something in JP this week...or next.  Or next month, or next year.  But as the Bills head into the sixth game of a sixteen game schedule, I believe Holcomb is the man.

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yah, be cause one can make career assumptions based on 4 games...

[Fan in Chicago]

  If you dumb down the offense for him, not only do you water down the talent around him (if any), you also simplified defending against the offense.

 

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Given the talent or lack-thereof on the OL, it may be good to dumb down the offense and see what happens. I think the coaches are getting too creative and ambitious with a green QB and poor OL talent. This is simply compounding the problem. I still think our Miami win had nothing to do with the QB switch.

[JOHNNYFAIRPLAY]

Football is not like a sales job where you read up on the product and sharpen your skills by reading materials. Its an OJT type of thing, if he doesnt play, he will not get better. Sitting on the sidelines does nothing for him, he needs to play. Anyone who says he can learn on the sidelines is wrong, its that simple. I like KH, but he was brought here for one reason, to BACK-UP and verbally guide and encourage JPL.

[Arkady Renko]

Once we hit 5-6 losses, we should play JPL. Until then, we have a season to salvage.

[UConn James]

I like KH, but he was brought here for one reason, to BACK-UP and verbally guide and encourage JPL.

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Instead, he's doing exactly as I predicted he would when he was signed.

 

'JP who? I'll be starting from now on.'

 

He ran the same Mr. Innocent Supplanter scheme with Couch. I hope JP holds up better, but it's gotta be a shock when the team said it was his team this year thick and thin then pulled him after four friggin' games. He needs a sit-down for a couple of games. Reading that BN article, I think KH has other ideas, tho.

[Dan]

I think what we're seeing here is definitely the right and wrong way to bring up a future QB. After seeing bunches of "top" QBs come into the league over the years, I'm more and more certain that the real difference is the coaching and the way they're handled in their first year or 2 as a starter. Of course, there are exceptions. But in general, QBs that come in and are supported and coached properly and are left in through the ups and downs - turn out to be goo, solid Qbs. The ones that are continually pulled and moved around tend to bust. This may have as much to do with the perception other players have in their ability as they have in themselves. That I don't know. But, you can definitely see that trend when you look at QBs and their careers.

 

How good can any player be when he is judged on an almost play to play basis. The pressure is enough, but then when you add they pressure of having to be perfect on every play - it seems to ruin players.

 

Now I'm not saying JP or any QB should not be benched. All I'm saying is that you're walking down a very risky and slippery road when you do it too much. JP may not be the answer, but you'll never know with him on the side line. Furthermore, if JP is not the answer who is? How often does a team get a free agent seasoned QB that immediately wins with a new team. It happens, but not often. My point is that sooner or later you have to invest some time in the QB and let him develop or not. To expect immediate results (aka Big Ben or Tom Brady) is to expect something that is rare and not likely to happen.

 

So, in my opinion, get JP in there after the bye. Simplify the offense for him. (simplify the defense too for that matter). And just let him develop for a season. It may mean we lose 1 season, but I'm thinking about not losing the next 10 seasons - which is pretty much what we've lost now. We've had about 10 years of losing when you think about it. Why? Because we continually bring players, coaches and staff in looking for that quick fix. Think long term and win long term.

[JOHNNYFAIRPLAY]

Instead, he's doing exactly as I predicted he would when he was signed.

 

'JP who? I'll be starting from now on.'

 

He ran the same Mr. Innocent Supplanter scheme with Couch. I hope JP holds up better, but it's gotta be a shock when the team said it was his team this year thick and thin then pulled him after four friggin' games. He needs a sit-down for a couple of games. Reading that BN article, I think KH has other ideas, tho.

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I agree with all of this (which sucks), except for one thing, I really dont think JPL needs to sit. He should be in there.

[BB2004]

IMO JP needs to play at LEAST 8 games this year - preferably more. With any fewer next year starts just like this year.

 

I like winning as much as any of the rest of you - but JP needs to be in the huddle, making plays not stood watching on the sideline.

 

Look at the Niners - they're going with Alex Smith NOW - at 1-3, just like the Bills were...

 

I'm not giving up on the season - but if we are going to have any long-term success or a shot at the title it's going to be with JP at the helm. He needs playing time pure and simple.

 

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

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I think he'll go with KH until he loses or plays below average. Until that happens, KH will most likely be our QB.

[bbills17]

I'm really starting to have a problem with the thought of many that JP is the key to future success.  He has showed nothing, NOTHING to suggest that this is the guy who's going to lead the Bills to the promised land.

 

Now, I've only been watching this game for about 40 years, so I might be missing something.  What is it, what is the magic that is JP that people think he is the end-all?  What is it that folks see in JP to even remotely believe that he is the ingredient to future success?  Was it week one vs the Texans?  Something in a preseason game?  Did he SAY something right during the off-season?

 

He's a first round pick, that's the given...but the NFL scrap heap is full of first round QB busts (Shuler, Leaf, etc, etc).  I hope JP is the second coming of Jim Kelly...but I have yet to see anything remotely close to a winning NFL qb in this guy.

 

"But we'll never know until he plays," you howl.  "And he's got the TOOLS," you add.  I dunno...I just don't see it.  He's just missing something, something that could lead me to believe that this guy IS the answer.

 

Maybe we see something in JP this week...or next.  Or next month, or next year.  But as the Bills head into the sixth game of a sixteen game schedule, I believe Holcomb is the man.

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Thank you, very well said.

[bbills17]

Football is not like a sales job where you read up on the product and sharpen your skills by reading materials. Its an OJT type of thing, if he doesnt play, he will not get better. Sitting on the sidelines does nothing for him, he needs to play. Anyone who says he can learn on the sidelines is wrong, its that simple. I like KH, but he was brought here for one reason, to BACK-UP and verbally guide and encourage JPL.

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No, YOU are dead wrong.

 

Ask Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, etc They all started in the NFL after learning the game on the BENCH with a clipboard. When they went in, they all started with a very high level of play.

[UConn James]

I think what we're seeing here is definitely the right and wrong way to bring up a future QB.  After seeing bunches of "top" QBs come into the league over the years, I'm more and more certain that the real difference is the coaching and the way they're handled in their first year or 2 as a starter.  Of course, there are exceptions.  But in general, QBs that come in and are supported and coached properly and are left in through the ups and downs - turn out to be goo, solid Qbs.  The ones that are continually pulled and moved around tend to bust.  This may have as much to do with the perception other players have in their ability as they have in themselves.  That I don't know.  But, you can definitely see that trend when you look at QBs and their careers. 

 

How good can any player be when he is judged on an almost play to play basis.  The pressure is enough, but then when you add they pressure of having to be perfect on every play - it seems to ruin players.   

 

Now I'm not saying JP or any QB should not be benched.  All I'm saying is that you're walking down a very risky and slippery road when you do it too much.  JP may not be the answer, but you'll never know with him on the side line.  Furthermore, if JP is not the answer who is?  How often does a team get a free agent seasoned QB that immediately wins with a new team.  It happens, but not often.  My point is that sooner or later you have to invest some time in the QB and let him develop or not.  To expect immediate results (aka Big Ben or Tom Brady) is to expect something that is rare and not likely to happen. 

 

So, in my opinion, get JP in there after the bye.  Simplify the offense for him.  (simplify the defense too for that matter).  And just let him develop for a season.  It may mean we lose 1 season, but I'm thinking about not losing the next 10 seasons - which is pretty much what we've lost now.  We've had about 10 years of losing when you think about it.  Why?  Because we continually bring players, coaches and staff in looking for that quick fix.  Think long term and win long term.

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I think you just won the POST OF THE DAY award.

 

For the posters who want to start KH the rest of the way to garner us a whole 4 or 5 wins, when JP has just as much a chance of doing that plus learning the game and becoming a potentially great QB, I want to just reach through my computer screen and choke the sh-- out of them.

[Guest BackInDaDay]

Never. Why bother?

 

The '2005 Competitive Football Team - Plan A' has now been replaced by '2005 Competitive Football Team - Plan B'. Coming soon to a football stadium near you - '2005 Competitive Football Team - Plan C' !

 

All the while, '2005 Financially Solvent Football Team - Plan A' will remain in effect.

Keep that carrot dangling RW.

[Campy]

What is it, what is the magic that is JP that people think he is the end-all?  What is it that folks see in JP to even remotely believe that he is the ingredient to future success? 

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I have no argument that with you in that JP wasn't getting it done. I was all for Holcomb going in. That said, JP's smart, has demonstrated leadership abilities, has a cannon for an arm, and can be very accurate. I think his #1 problem right now is that the game's a little too fast for him right now. I don't think that's something that he can't overcome, he's just not ready yet.

 

I think he'll be a very good player for us for a lot of years, but that's only my opinion. I've been wrong before. But only once.

[Bill from NYC]

I think you just won the POST OF THE DAY award.

 

For the posters who want to start KH the rest of the way to garner us a whole 4 or 5 wins, when JP has just as much a chance of doing that plus learning the game and becoming a potentially great QB, I want to just reach through my computer screen and choke the sh-- out of them.

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At this point, it is impossible to know who to start the rest of the way, wouldn't you say?

JP had a decent first game. After that, he was simply horrid.

KH had a decent first game. We don't know what is to follow. He might be worse (although unlikely) than JP, but we don't know.

 

If in fact the Bills are out of the playoff hunt, it would make lots of sense to put JP in there and see what he can (or cannot) do. But, if the Bills are in contention, why would it make sense to go with him? Besides, there is every chance that injuries will dictate the move.

 

Remember, we all hope he can; you may think that he can, but it is not written in stone that JP can play well in the NFL.

What we DO know is that he was handed the job with no competition, and that KH was signed in case JP is either injured or a lousy qb.

[UConn James]

I have no argument that with you in that JP wasn't getting it done.  I was all for Holcomb going in.  That said, JP's smart, has demonstrated leadership abilities, has a cannon for an arm, and can be very accurate.  I think his #1 problem right now is that the game's a little too fast for him right now.  I don't think that's something that he can't overcome, he's just not ready yet.

 

I think he'll be a very good player for us for a lot of years, but that's only my opinion.  I've been wrong before.  But only once.

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Exactly, and it will only slow down for him with experience. I think a one or two game breather might be good for him to settle down. More than that....

 

And hey, that one time you were wrong, the mistake only came in that you thought you were wrong, but you were right.

[bill in Livonia]

I think they will play JP as soon as Kelly Holcom gets the slightest nick or injury.

They will overstate the seriousness of the injury to bring JP back, and rightfully so.

JP is still the QB of the future and Holcom is somewhat limited.

GO BILLS!

JOLT THE JETS!!

[zow2]

I'm really starting to have a problem with the thought of many that JP is the key to future success.  He has showed nothing, NOTHING to suggest that this is the guy who's going to lead the Bills to the promised land.

 

Now, I've only been watching this game for about 40 years, so I might be missing something.  What is it, what is the magic that is JP that people think he is the end-all?  What is it that folks see in JP to even remotely believe that he is the ingredient to future success?  Was it week one vs the Texans?  Something in a preseason game?  Did he SAY something right during the off-season?

 

He's a first round pick, that's the given...but the NFL scrap heap is full of first round QB busts (Shuler, Leaf, etc, etc).  I hope JP is the second coming of Jim Kelly...but I have yet to see anything remotely close to a winning NFL qb in this guy.

 

"But we'll never know until he plays," you howl.  "And he's got the TOOLS," you add.  I dunno...I just don't see it.  He's just missing something, something that could lead me to believe that this guy IS the answer.

 

Maybe we see something in JP this week...or next.  Or next month, or next year.  But as the Bills head into the sixth game of a sixteen game schedule, I believe Holcomb is the man.

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I agree somewhat. I'm definitely worried about JP and his future. Then i hear Phil Simms talking on that radio show w/ Mike Francesa last weekend and it reaffirmed my fears. Phil...who knows a little something about QB'ing ...comes right out and says that he watched film of JP's first 4 games and JP showed nothing. He went on to say that most promising young QB's show some flashes of brilliance even when they are raw but Losman can't read a defense, isn't accurate, has no pocket awareness, gets jittery and on and on....

Hey, i hope JP gets it together but he may never be this great QB that we all hoped.

[Realist]

I like what the Gints did with Eli last year. Through thick and thin they through him in there. They sacrificed the season to groom their QB of the future. By the end of the year, you could see Eli was doing better even though he sucked the first several games.

[Beerstm]

face it, he wont play until Holcomb gets hurt.. should be around week 10

[1billsfan]

I agree somewhat.  I'm definitely worried about JP and his future.  Then i hear Phil Simms talking on that radio show w/ Mike Francesa last weekend and it reaffirmed my fears.  Phil...who knows a little something about QB'ing ...comes right out and says that he watched film of JP's first 4 games and JP showed nothing.  He went on to say that most promising young QB's show some flashes of brilliance even when they are raw but Losman can't read a defense, isn't accurate, has no pocket awareness, gets jittery and on and on.... 

Hey, i hope JP gets it together but he may never be this great QB that we all hoped.

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Phil Simms can get bent. That guy was a major bust his first 4 years in the league. After his first two seasons his starting his completion rate was 49 percent. What's JP's after four games? 48.5. I remember laughing at Phil Simms during his learning years because he looked so clueless. Part of that had to do with the Giants not yet having a good offensive line. Hmmm sound familiar? The fact that Simms says he saw "FILM", and proceed to say JP has shown "nothing" shows what a tool the guy is. If your going to go on record and say this guy looks like a bust because he has shown nothing than at least watch "ALL" of his four games. I've seen plenty of positives like the ability to gain yards with his legs, direct first possession scoring drives on the road and only throwing one interception in his first four games. He's done all this AND has hovered around Phil's lofty 49 percent completion rate. I guess all those hits in his early years have taken their toll on Simms. Did Mike ask him what promise his son has shown as an NFL QB? I'm guessing he didn't.

[Bill from NYC]

Phil Simms can get bent. That guy was a major bust his first 4 years in the league. After his first two seasons his starting his completion rate was 49 percent. What's JP's after four games? 48.5. I remember laughing at Phil Simms during his learning years because he looked so clueless. Part of that had to do with the Giants not yet having a good offensive line. Hmmm sound familiar? The fact that Simms says he saw "FILM", and proceed to say JP has shown "nothing" shows what a tool the guy is. If your going to go on record and say this guy looks like a bust because he has shown nothing than at least watch "ALL" of his four games. I've seen plenty of positives like the ability to gain yards with his legs, direct first possession scoring drives on the road and only throwing one interception in his first four games. He's done all this AND has hovered around Phil's lofty 49 percent completion rate.  I guess all those hits in his early years have taken their toll on Simms. Did Mike ask him what promise his son has shown as an NFL QB? I'm guessing he didn't.

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So I take it you don't like Simms?

 

Seriously, you make valid points. I think that the "one interception" thing is a stretch, because he did put quite a few footballs into the hands of defenders, which they luckily dropped.

 

I guess that it comes down to patience to a large degree. I loved walking down the ramp on Sunday after the win; hearing the cheers and getting the high fives from happy Bills. It was great getting back to Pole 5 and seeing the smiles from those present!

Remember, TD and the media sold us a bill of goods about this kid. How many posts did you read that stated positively that JP "couldn't be any worse than Bledsoe?" Well he is, and is perhaps worse than almost anybody thus far.

 

From what I watched of JP, he has been generally awful. Certainly he needs more time to show what he can do which he WILL get, as soon as KH is injured (likely), or he plays even worse than what JP has shown us (less likely).

[Guest BackInDaDay]

Phil Simms can get bent. That guy was a major bust his first 4 years in the league. After his first two seasons his starting his completion rate was 49 percent. What's JP's after four games? 48.5. I remember laughing at Phil Simms during his learning years because he looked so clueless. Part of that had to do with the Giants not yet having a good offensive line. Hmmm sound familiar? The fact that Simms says he saw "FILM", and proceed to say JP has shown "nothing" shows what a tool the guy is. If your going to go on record and say this guy looks like a bust because he has shown nothing than at least watch "ALL" of his four games. I've seen plenty of positives like the ability to gain yards with his legs, direct first possession scoring drives on the road and only throwing one interception in his first four games. He's done all this AND has hovered around Phil's lofty 49 percent completion rate.  I guess all those hits in his early years have taken their toll on Simms. Did Mike ask him what promise his son has shown as an NFL QB? I'm guessing he didn't.

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When you're right, you're right!

 

Early on Simms had the crap knocked out of him, and it wasn't all on the O-line. I remember Parcells wasn't very happy with him back then, so he's not one to talk. As a matter of fact, I had more respect for him before he became a mouthpiece for the networks.

[1billsfan]

  When you're right, you're right!

 

Early on Simms had the crap knocked out of him, and it wasn't all on the O-line.  I remember Parcells wasn't very happy with him back then, so he's not one to talk.  As a matter of fact, I had more respect for him before he became a mouthpiece for the networks.

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Hey Phil, does the name Scott Brunner ring a bell?

[bbills17]

Hey Phil, does the name Scott Brunner ring a bell? 

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Why don't some of you guys claiming it's IMPERATIVE that JP start now and stink up the joint in order to become a good QB please explain how Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck and lots of other QBs rode the bench and were very good QBs right off the start??

 

This trial by fire that some of you claim is required is absolute BS.

[The Dean]

IMO JP needs to play at LEAST 8 games this year - preferably more. With any fewer next year starts just like this year.

 

I like winning as much as any of the rest of you - but JP needs to be in the huddle, making plays not stood watching on the sideline.

 

Look at the Niners - they're going with Alex Smith NOW - at 1-3, just like the Bills were...

 

I'm not giving up on the season - but if we are going to have any long-term success or a shot at the title it's going to be with JP at the helm. He needs playing time pure and simple.

 

If he's not back in in 3 weeks time, we'll be mortgaging next year on his development too.

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I wold LOVE for JP to be playing now...but I don't buy your setup or your comparison.

 

When does Phillip Rivers NEED to play? Alex Smith is playing now because the alternative (Rattay) wasn't an option...he sucks out loud...stinks on ice (not that ICE). Holcomb is an actual QB...not one of the league's elite, mind you. But, I'll put him on par with at least half the starting QBs in the league.

 

Certainly there have been numerous QBs who learned on the bench and in relief.

 

I might be more worried if the kid wasn't saying the right things...and if KH wasn't saying the right things.

[Guest BackInDaDay]

Why don't some of you guys claiming it's IMPERATIVE that JP start now and stink up the joint in order to become a good QB please explain how Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck and lots of other QBs rode the bench and were very good QBs right off the start?? 

 

This trial by fire that some of you claim is required is absolute BS.

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I don't think anyone here believes it's imperitive to throw an inexperienced QB to the wolves in order for him to learn. Neither did Wilson, Donahoe, Mularkey, Wyche and Clements. The point is how this group could make such a colossal blunder in judgement.

 

I doubt Mularkey, Wyche and Clements feel they did, but they have to keep their mouths shut, swallow hard, follow orders and win enough games to keep a healthy bottom-line.