Mark VI Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 My cousin Bob is a rare nice Pats fan and never rubs it in. Knows the game well. He told me the Pats defintely miss Crennel. The D looks OK but not nearly as good as last year. He believes they will have more losses than people expect and the Steelers game will be tough. Says the Pats fans believe they will completely shut down RB Willie Parker but he wonders if that will happen. Admitted the Carolina game opened his eyes and he doesn't see the dominating team of past years. Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 This is the injury report on Yahoo, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but NE is a pretty banged up team right now. New England Patriots Tully Banta-Cain LB Questionable Knee Andre' Davis WR Questionable Foot Brandon Gorin T Questionable Thigh Jarvis Green DE Questionable Shoulder Bethel Johnson WR Questionable Thigh Tyrone Poole CB Questionable Ankle James Sanders S Questionable Ankle Chad Scott CB Questionable Shoulder Richard Seymour DT Questionable Thigh Duane Starks CB Questionable Thigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Lovies showing something in Chicago as well. 449841[/snapback] Which also has a direct connection to the Pats missing Crennell. Great point that I had previously overlooked. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Lovies showing something in Chicago as well. 449841[/snapback] My uncle has a red pencil box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Which also has a direct connection to the Pats missing Crennell. Great point that I had previously overlooked. Thanks. 449849[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 This is the injury report on Yahoo, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but NE is a pretty banged up team right now. 449847[/snapback] I thought the Bills were banged up. Hells Bells ! Steelers must be licking their chops. BTW- Bill, what are you talking about ? Romeo and Juliet are a couple, not Romeo and Lovie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I thought the Bills were banged up. Hells Bells ! Steelers must be licking their chops. BTW- Bill, what are you talking about ? Romeo and Juliet are a couple, not Romeo and Lovie. 449859[/snapback] Maybe he's thinking of (Fuzzy) Thurston and Lovie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Mike Tice is showing something in Minnesota as well...or maybe exposing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 This is the injury report on Yahoo, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but NE is a pretty banged up team right now. 449847[/snapback] No, the Pats always do that. They do it to disguise real inuries. It's kinda funny, but the pats always have a huge injury list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 No, the Pats always do that. They do it to disguise real inuries. It's kinda funny, but the pats always have a huge injury list. 449893[/snapback] I think they got fined for underreporting an injury, so now they report *everything*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I think they got fined for underreporting an injury, so now they report *everything*. 449908[/snapback] Oh yea! I knew it was something like that. Somebody breaks a nail and they are probable. A stubbed toe makes you questionable. A zit makes you doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 They're missing more than just Crennel. They're missing Bruschi, Johnson, Patten, Andruzzi, and especially Weis. The other teams have also closed the gap on them significantly, to the point where they're probably the 4th best team in the AFC, if even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Mike Tice is showing something in Minnesota as well...or maybe exposing something... 449866[/snapback] Scalped tickets to a Retatta Festival perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 They're missing more than just Crennel. They're missing Bruschi, Johnson, Patten, Andruzzi, and especially Weis. The other teams have also closed the gap on them significantly, to the point where they're probably the 4th best team in the AFC, if even that. 449940[/snapback] They are definitely going to miss Weis. Right now they are still running things pretty much the way Weis used to. Once teams are used to what they are calling, I'd be surprised to see the new signal caller be able to devise new stuff the way Weis did. It kind of reminds me of '92 with the Bills. The Bills offense looked great the 1st 4 games, but then they started putting in Bresnahan's plays and adjustments and never looked the same as they did with Marchibroda. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 My cousin Bob is a rare nice Pats fan and never rubs it in. Knows the game well. He told me the Pats defintely miss Crennel. Your cousin isn't watching the same team I'm watching. The defense is not the problem. Horrible ST play and no run-blocking whatsoever have something more to do with Sunday's loss (and the bad parts of the Oakland game as well). The ST puts the defense in bad spots by giving up huge returns, and the offense is consistently in 3rd-and-longs because the running game goes nowhere. The defense held Delhomme to 154 yards and a 42% completion rate, and the Carolina runners to under 3.0 YPC. They even scored a TD! What more could they have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 Your cousin isn't watching the same team I'm watching. The defense is not the problem. Horrible ST play and no run-blocking whatsoever have something more to do with Sunday's loss (and the bad parts of the Oakland game as well). The ST puts the defense in bad spots by giving up huge returns, and the offense is consistently in 3rd-and-longs because the running game goes nowhere. The defense held Delhomme to 154 yards and a 42% completion rate, and the Carolina runners to under 3.0 YPC. They even scored a TD! What more could they have done? 450006[/snapback] I have to agree with you. Seems the OL is the biggest worry so far, from what I've seen. No push and Brady is getting lots of pressure. I guess my cousin is more worried about the D wearing down. He did mention that but that's because of the Offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Oh yea! I knew it was something like that. Somebody breaks a nail and they are probable. A stubbed toe makes you questionable. A zit makes you doubtful. 449912[/snapback] Put me down as questionably doubtful. I got a zit on my toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 My cousin Bob is a rare nice Pats fan and never rubs it in. Knows the game well. He told me the Pats defintely miss Crennel. The D looks OK but not nearly as good as last year. He believes they will have more losses than people expect and the Steelers game will be tough. Says the Pats fans believe they will completely shut down RB Willie Parker but he wonders if that will happen. Admitted the Carolina game opened his eyes and he doesn't see the dominating team of past years. Hmmm... 449836[/snapback] I don't think any of the Pats team in the last 4 years were dominating....They did not blow out teams (other than the 31-0 beating up of us in the season finale two seasons ago)..... I think they have played intellegently and make the right plays to win their games...but dominating....a big NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The defense held Delhomme to 154 yards and a 42% completion rate, and the Carolina runners to under 3.0 YPC. They even scored a TD! What more could they have done? 450006[/snapback] for starters - not let the other team score 3 rushing TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflo83 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I have to agree with you. Seems the OL is the biggest worry so far, from what I've seen. No push and Brady is getting lots of pressure. I guess my cousin is more worried about the D wearing down. He did mention that but that's because of the Offense. 450200[/snapback] I think Weiss's leaving will hurt a lot more over the long run. The one thing I've noticed in the Oakland and Carolina games is how Corey Dillon is looking a lot like Antwoin Smith. That O-line is not as good as it has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Wheels Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I live in Boston and this is what I heard from someone "in the know": My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The defense is not the problem. Horrible ST play and no run-blocking whatsoever have something more to do with Sunday's loss (and the bad parts of the Oakland game as well). The ST puts the defense in bad spots by giving up huge returns, and the offense is consistently in 3rd-and-longs because the running game goes nowhere. 450006[/snapback] What's your excuse for the fact that Marcia was a big 0-fer/8 on passes over 15 yds? That seems to be your biggest selling point with Brady. Weis is gone and everyone in NE hates to admit he was just as responsible for their success as anyone else in the organization. What he has done with ND is no fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 for starters - not let the other team score 3 rushing TDs. 450592[/snapback] Two of those TDs came on drives of 13 and 12 yards. Why such good field position? A 76-yard punt return and a turnover on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 What's your excuse for the fact that Marcia was a big 0-fer/8 on passes over 15 yds? The Patriots have no player by that name. Check your roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Two of those TDs came on drives of 13 and 12 yards. Why such good field position? A 76-yard punt return and a turnover on offense. 450957[/snapback] You have to admit though, in previous years the Pats would have (generally) forced a FGA on one or both of those short fields. That being said, I won't judge the Pats on one or two bad games, particularly early in the year. I expect them to struggle a little bit to find themselves with all the turnover, we'll see where Belichick has his team come December. I'm guessing they'll still be considered one of the AFCs best, despite what the original poster's cousin thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The Patriots have no player by that name. Check your roster. 450958[/snapback] Got this right off patriots.com 49 Eric Alexander LB 6-2 240 2/8/1982 68 Tom Ashworth T 6-6 305 10/10/1977 48 Tully Banta-Cain LB 6-2 254 8/28/1980 52 Monty Beisel LB 6-3 238 8/20/1978 12 Marcia Brady QB 6-4 225 8/3/1977 83 Deion Branch WR 5-9 193 7/18/1979 65 Wesly Britt T 6-8 314 98 Chad Brown LB 6-2 245 7/12/1970 80 Troy Brown WR 5-10 196 7/2/1971 54 Tedy Bruschi LB 6-1 247 6/9/1973 16 Matt Cassel QB 6-5 230 5/17/1982 58 Matt Chatham LB 6-4 250 6/28/1977 13 Brandon Childress WR 5-10 185 47 Ryan Claridge OLB 6-2 259 4/12/1981 59 Rosevelt Colvin LB 6-3 250 9/5/1977 51 Don Davis LB 6-1 235 12/17/1972 18 Andre' Davis WR 6-1 195 6/12/1979 28 Corey Dillon RB 6-1 225 10/24/1974 86 Tim Dwight WR 5-8 180 7/13/1975 33 Kevin Faulk RB 5-8 202 6/5/1976 88 Christian Fauria TE 6-4 250 9/22/1971 2 Doug Flutie QB 5-10 180 10/23/1962 21 Randall Gay CB 5-11 186 5/5/1982 87 David Givens WR 6-0 212 8/16/1980 76 Brandon Gorin T 6-6 308 7/17/1978 82 Daniel Graham TE 6-3 257 11/16/1978 97 Jarvis Green DL 6-3 290 1/12/1979 37 Rodney Harrison S 6-1 220 12/15/1972 91 Marquise Hill DE 6-6 300 8/7/1982 27 Ellis Hobbs CB 5-9 188 5/16/1983 71 Russ Hochstein G 6-4 305 10/7/1977 53 Larry Izzo LB 5-10 228 9/26/1974 81 Bethel Johnson WR 5-11 200 2/11/1979 77 Nick Kaczur G/T 6-4 319 7/28/1979 90 Dan Klecko DL 5-11 275 1/12/1981 67 Dan Koppen C 6-2 296 9/12/1979 72 Matt Light T 6-4 305 6/23/1978 96 Wesly Mallard LB 6-1 230 11/21/1978 70 Logan Mankins OL 6-4 307 3/10/1983 55 Willie McGinest LB 6-5 270 12/11/1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 My cousin Bob is a rare nice Pats fan and never rubs it in. Knows the game well. He told me the Pats defintely miss Crennel. The D looks OK but not nearly as good as last year. He believes they will have more losses than people expect and the Steelers game will be tough. Says the Pats fans believe they will completely shut down RB Willie Parker but he wonders if that will happen. Admitted the Carolina game opened his eyes and he doesn't see the dominating team of past years. Hmmm... 449836[/snapback] It should be a great game this week - a lot will depend on the Pats injury situation. They're looking a little thin at corner especially since Gay is certainly out, and Scott and Poole were unable to play last week and have not yet practiced. They usually bring Wilson in at corner at these spots but his backup (Sanders) is also injured and not practicing. The entire AFC East bought themselves a much more difficult schedule this year by swapping the NFC West for the NFC South, and to a lesser degree the AFC North for the AFC West, and with Wannstedt no longer fumbling around in Miami. 14-2 for a third straight year seemed like a tall order. Myself, I kind of see them going 7-1 at home and 4-4 on the road when all is said and done. They've dealt with turnover in their personnel before. Besides the four linebackers, they only had four of the same starters in the 2001 and 2004 Super Bowls (Brady, Light, Seymour, and Andruzzi). I think Mangini will be fine as the DC. The coaching on offense has also suffered a bit beyond Weis as Ivan Fears (the RB coach) was ill through much of training camp. Matt Light is probably only 80%, and Neal (his neighbor on the line) was injured last week. The two rookies on the line look good, but rookie OL are going to make mistakes, and Mankisn and Kazcur had a few costly lapses last Sunday. As HD noted, the special teams have been atrocious so far, and they took a ton of penalties in week 2. Brady and the wideouts had a really bad game as well with drops and overthrown passes. They haven't lost two straight since 2002, and they've had a tendency to come back big from their losses in the last two years. I'm pretty excited for the game Sunday. Should be a great test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Got this right off patriots.com 49 Eric Alexander LB 6-2 240 2/8/1982 68 Tom Ashworth T 6-6 305 10/10/1977 48 Tully Banta-Cain LB 6-2 254 8/28/1980 52 Monty Beisel LB 6-3 238 8/20/1978 12 Tom Brady QB 6-4 225 8/3/1977 83 Deion Branch WR 5-9 193 7/18/1979 65 Wesly Britt T 6-8 314 98 Chad Brown LB 6-2 245 7/12/1970 80 Troy Brown WR 5-10 196 7/2/1971 54 Tedy Bruschi LB 6-1 247 6/9/1973 16 Matt Cassel QB 6-5 230 5/17/1982 58 Matt Chatham LB 6-4 250 6/28/1977 13 Brandon Childress WR 5-10 185 47 Ryan Claridge OLB 6-2 259 4/12/1981 59 Rosevelt Colvin LB 6-3 250 9/5/1977 51 Don Davis LB 6-1 235 12/17/1972 18 Andre' Davis WR 6-1 195 6/12/1979 28 Corey Dillon RB 6-1 225 10/24/1974 86 Tim Dwight WR 5-8 180 7/13/1975 33 Kevin Faulk RB 5-8 202 6/5/1976 88 Christian Fauria TE 6-4 250 9/22/1971 2 Doug Flutie QB 5-10 180 10/23/1962 21 Randall Gay CB 5-11 186 5/5/1982 87 David Givens WR 6-0 212 8/16/1980 76 Brandon Gorin T 6-6 308 7/17/1978 82 Daniel Graham TE 6-3 257 11/16/1978 97 Jarvis Green DL 6-3 290 1/12/1979 37 Rodney Harrison S 6-1 220 12/15/1972 91 Marquise Hill DE 6-6 300 8/7/1982 27 Ellis Hobbs CB 5-9 188 5/16/1983 71 Russ Hochstein G 6-4 305 10/7/1977 53 Larry Izzo LB 5-10 228 9/26/1974 81 Bethel Johnson WR 5-11 200 2/11/1979 77 Nick Kaczur G/T 6-4 319 7/28/1979 90 Dan Klecko DL 5-11 275 1/12/1981 67 Dan Koppen C 6-2 296 9/12/1979 72 Matt Light T 6-4 305 6/23/1978 96 Wesly Mallard LB 6-1 230 11/21/1978 70 Logan Mankins OL 6-4 307 3/10/1983 55 Willie McGinest LB 6-5 270 12/11/1971 450963[/snapback] And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 And? 451041[/snapback] Well, if you're gonna change, distort and edit MY post, why even play? Cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Well, if you're gonna change, distort and edit MY post, why even play? Cheater. 451048[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 What's your excuse for the fact that Marcia was a big 0-fer/8 on passes over 15 yds? That seems to be your biggest selling point with Brady. 450835[/snapback] I hope this isn't the start of another "Brady can't throw a long ball" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I hope this isn't the start of another "Brady can't throw a long ball" thread? He can't...at least not so far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 He can't...at least not so far this year. You mean he "hasn't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 You mean he "hasn't." Okay, he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Okay, he hasn't. And this is surely the first two-game stretch in which a QB hasn't completed a deep pass, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 And this is surely the first two-game stretch in which a QB hasn't completed a deep pass, yes? Brady's attempted more than a few deep passes so far this year, and none have been even close, despite guys being wide open. I could understand if they were passes being defensed. And notice I didn't jump into the "Brady can't throw deep" discussion earlier, because last year he had a lot of success throwing deep. But he was throwing deep, and connecting, from the first game onwards. I guess it will be something to watch, and I DID say that "he can't [throw the deep ball]...at least not so far this year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Brady's attempted more than a few deep passes so far this year, and none have been even close, despite guys being wide open. I could understand if they were passes being defensed. And notice I didn't jump into the "Brady can't throw deep" discussion earlier, because last year he had a lot of success throwing deep. But he was throwing deep, and connecting, from the first game onwards. I guess it will be something to watch, and I DID say that "he can't [throw the deep ball]...at least not so far this year." Keep in mind that he sat out much of training camp, and half of the preseason, with a shoulder injury. That's why I'm confident the passing game will come around, provided Brady shakes of the rust on his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Oh yea! I knew it was something like that. Somebody breaks a nail and they are probable. A stubbed toe makes you questionable. A zit makes you doubtful. 449912[/snapback] hey, stop that joking... you and i both know that jonas jennings now plays for the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 My cousin Bob is a rare nice Pats fan and never rubs it in. Knows the game well. He told me the Pats defintely miss Crennel. The D looks OK but not nearly as good as last year. He believes they will have more losses than people expect and the Steelers game will be tough. Says the Pats fans believe they will completely shut down RB Willie Parker but he wonders if that will happen. Admitted the Carolina game opened his eyes and he doesn't see the dominating team of past years. Hmmm... 449836[/snapback] I dont doubt The Patsies will miss both Coordinators...But whether or not the departures make that big a difference in the long run is awful tough to tell after 2 Games...Impossible I think... We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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