McDermott still in over his head

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

James Cook is one of the best RBs in the NFL

 

My word choice may have been poor.  I certainly didn't mean to say we don't have any good players besides Allen.

We have a mix of good, mediocre, and bad players outside Allen.  In other words, our non-QB roster is a lot like other teams and certainly worse than some.  

Beane hit a homerun with Allen and that can't be ignored.  But if I ignore it anyway just as an exercise, he hasn't been an elite GM - the kind that builds SB rosters.  

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The offense did virtually nothing in the first half again and a ton in the second half despite Ray Davis setting them up well at least once.  The defense did nothing in the first half and a ton in the second half.  If a bad first half is disqualifying for a defense wouldn’t a bad first half also be disqualifying for an offense?  The logic makes zero sense to me there 

 

I really don’t understand this board’s desire to blame one thing/person and absolve everything else.  Both sides of the ball started extremely slow and got hot late in this one 

 

It makes zero sense that an offense scoring 35 points in a game is very good and a defense allowing 200 yards rushing and 31 points is quite bad?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Wow: King of Whine right there.  

The problem for a coach to talk like that is he's telling his team that they lost because of bad refereeing.  That's a horrible message.  The message needs strong, clear, and passionate: "We lost because we didn't play well enough."  

 

As long as you put the problem 'out there' somewhere (refs, weather, whatever), it's not solvable.  When you put the problem on your own shoulders, you can fix it.  Prepare better.  Try harder.  Execute better.  

Does he own a vineyard? Cuz damn...

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It makes zero sense that an offense scoring 35 points in a game is very good and a defense allowing 200 yards rushing and 31 points is quite bad?

wasting your time

[Pete]

I like McD.  I like how he treats the players, and how he has helped build a winning culture in Buffalo.  Its been a remarkable turnaround since McD has become Coach.  I know much of this is because of Josh.  But McD helped build winning culture too, and that started before Josh.  Saying all of that- what the ***** was the brain dead decision not to challenge the 3rd down pass in to Boutte in the first series?  I defend McD, but brain dead decisions I cannot defend, and there have been many.  13 seconds was a major ***** up.  Dont the Bills have an "expert" in booth, telling McD when to challenge?  That expert is a (*^*&%^$^#if he didn't yell at McD to throw the flag, and make the Pats punt.  That obvious ***** up ended up in TD, and Patriot momentum.  Throw the flag man, and no Pats TD!

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

ill leave mcdermott out of it for simplicity's sake

 

Allen is 100% a victim of his own success. the burden he's required to carry here is pretty much unmatched save for the grace w which he's been able to do it

It’s actually even worse than that because the average Bills fan that doesn’t watch the league has had their entire perception changed.

 

Josh Allen is 4-1 this season when his defense allows 30+.
 

Mahomes, Lamar, and Joe Burrow are 0-5.

 

It’s not normal to have your QB rip off these miracle wins. The other best QBs in football can’t do it.

Edited 8 hours ago by FireChans

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It’s actually even worse than that because the average Bills fan that doesn’t watch the league has had their entire perception changed.

 

Josh Allen is 4-1 this season when his defense allows 30+.
 

Mahomes, Lamar, and Joe Burrow are 1-6 (and the only win is Mahomes over Lamar).

 

It’s not normal to have your QB rip off these miracle wins. The other best QBs in football can’t do it.

it's certainly a unique situation. i have to remind myself of that every time i log on here

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

25 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It's wonderful to have Allen & Co. save the day once again by going 4-0 when the opponent scores 31+ points.  In the playoffs though, a team will not win the Super Bowl or even advance to the Super Bowl if there is not a semblance of a complete team.  

Both units, and special teams can't disappear for a half come playoff time.  You won't pull those games out.

This gets repeated a lot but I feel like the big Super Bowl second half swing is quite common tbh.  If Superbowls ended at halftime the chiefs ‘dynasty’ never would’ve happened.  They have never led at halftime in a Reid-era Super Bowl and have trailed in every one since that first one against SF that was tied at halftime (even this one they quickly fell behind 20-10 and turned it over before a late comeback).  Philly dropped 24 on them in a first half and they won still 

 

bills are a pretty extreme case without question but games being ‘a tale of two halves’ is a very common thing 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Chuck Schick said:

Wait, what?  How could the Bills have scored another TD before halftime?

McD had 3 timeouts in his pocket, if they use them right away and make a stop Bills have enough time to move the ball down the field. Instead McD sat on them and the Pats wasted a lot of time in between their first couple plays. I think it caught them off guard to be honest, calling the timeout after stopping the first play would be pretty standard in that situation. 
 

McD knew the best thing for his D was limit the amount plays Pats could run. Had no faith in them making a stop. Not sure anyone did. 

Edited 8 hours ago by BananaB

[YoloinOhio]

That’s ok but is dalton kincaid still skinny?

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Playoffs? said:

I’m confused. We all saw the ball hit the ground. It was worth a challenge, so in my opinion, ex-ref didn’t do his job. 

 

When I saw it live, I thought it was a catch. 

 

I don't know much about the ex-ref.  Is he watching from the sideline, the booth, on TV?  I guess no matter what, you can say he didn't do his job because he missed a call that could've been overturned.  But it might have been an understandable/forgivable mistake depending on what the circumstances were.  

I do get that maybe McD should have thrown the challenge flag without a replay or input.  Low risk/meaningful reward.  Still, for me it wasn't a critical mistake under the circumstances.  Watching the game, I was far more bugged by Cooks' drop.      

[Goin Breakdown]

34 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The pats would’ve lost that game by 30 if we didn’t start like molasses lol that’s just a straight up coping mechanism of a ‘narrative’..  they were hilariously outplayed in the second half. Probably the worst half of football the pats have played against the bills since before the Brady days.  A ridiculous play by Henderson seems to be covering it up a bit 

 

I don’t even think the dpi they’re whining about had any effect on the outcome.  Up 3 on their own 10 yard line with 12 minutes left was not a safe lead in that scenario..  

 

this wasn’t the ‘bills needed every possible minute to come back on the final drive’ type game they are trying to twist it into.  We were down 3 with 4 minutes to go in the third quarter and absolutely steamrolling them on both sides of the ball 😂

I was thinking the same about the slow start. During the game I was pissed. I needed to step away because I needed a time out. But after the game, I said to a buddy "if the Bills could just play a whole game like they do the second half, they would destroy any team in the NFL flaws and all". That's crazy right!?  We know the warts and still. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, davefan66 said:

Lets not forget the pats were coming off a buy and had two weeks to prepare.

 

Good point.  If either Vrabel or McD was outcoached, it was Vrabel.  

 

He had most of the advantages and still lost.  And he'll probably be named Coach of the Year.  

[LittleSammy]

I never thought Terry Pegula had the chops to make a leadership change, but he just axed Sabres GM Kevyn Adams. Sounds like he finally had enough. Hopefully, this will put Beane & McDermott on notice that "close enough isn't good enough" anymore.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It makes zero sense that an offense scoring 35 points in a game is very good and a defense allowing 200 yards rushing and 31 points is quite bad?

I mean that’s a pretty big time goalpost move from what I responded to lol my statement was you all are quick to absolve the offense completely of a terrible half of football if they have a great second half but will not do the same for the defense which is something that has come up multiple different times in recent seasons.

 

i think we have one of the worst defenses in the league outside of crunch time in games but its like a lightbulb goes on and they virtually get every necessary stop to get the team back in the game it makes absolutely no sense haha I’m all for dunking on the defense’s overall game stats but that’s not quite the same conversation 

Edited 7 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[mjt328]

4 hours ago, Billsfed1 said:

He said something about how they didn’t have the ability to see the replay in the stadium, they have to get that figured out moving forward.

 

If our coaching staff is waiting on the stadium replay to throw challenge flags... that's just an absolutely terrible plan for something that can be huge in the outcome of games.

 

Visiting stadium crews are probably instructed to wait a few minutes before showing replays.  And smart teams are going to hurry to the line on any questionable play that could be overturned.  There just isn't time for him to be staring up at the jumbotron.

 

There should be a team up in the booth quickly cycling through anything questionable, and immediately alerting him to throw the flag.  If that isn't his process after being an HC this many years.  Yikes.  I just don't know...

[finn]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s actually even worse than that because the average Bills fan that doesn’t watch the league has had their entire perception changed.

 

Josh Allen is 4-1 this season when his defense allows 30+.
 

Mahomes, Lamar, and Joe Burrow are 0-5.

 

It’s not normal to have your QB rip off these miracle wins. The other best QBs in football can’t do it.

I never understand why conversations about which QBs are the best so seldom take into account context, like Stafford throwing to Nacua and Brown, Burrow to Chase and Higgins, Lamar handing off to Henry, and Mahomes having Reid calling plays. Allen had Diggs a few years, and he does have Cook now, but otherwise he's been on an island all his career. I realize it takes an effort of imagination, but the surrounding cast counts, a lot. For example, consider what Marino could have accomplished if he had played with Jerry Rice, or Brady with Tyreek Hill and Kelse in their prime. All things considered, Allen is easily the MVP this year. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I do think McDermott has done a great job with this roster given the injuries.

 

I also think Mcd needs to figure out why this team struggles first half.

 

I am not sure this method of winning is sustainable to a Super Bowl. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

If our coaching staff is waiting on the stadium replay to throw challenge flags... that's just an absolutely terrible plan for something that can be huge in the outcome of games.

 

Visiting stadium crews are probably instructed to wait a few minutes before showing replays.  And smart teams are going to hurry to the line on any questionable play that could be overturned.  There just isn't time for him to be staring up at the jumbotron.

 

There should be a team up in the booth quickly cycling through anything questionable, and immediately alerting him to throw the flag.  If that isn't his process after being an HC this many years.  Yikes.  I just don't know...

If the new Hawkeye replay angles thing malfunctioned or wasn’t happening this game for whatever reason, I’m not sure there’s anything any team’s replay folks couldve done outside of watching the game feed which is on a 10+ second delay

 

All they likely saw if that was the case was the broadcast of the play at game speed which doesn’t even look very close to a drop.  I doubt they even got the one abbreviated replay that was shown on the broadcast because the snap was immediately after 
 

I think there’s a healthy dose of fans not really knowing how unfair this process has been for years going on here lol when a team hurries to the line, you likely never got a slow motion replay on your game feed at all and obviously not the Jumbotron either in an away game..  The broadcast is substantially delayed and the home team isn’t gonna give you the gift of an in-stadium replay.  That was all supposed to change this year but I have a feeling the league messed something up here 

 

In the past in that scenario the challenge by the away coach is pretty much just a shot in the dark based on what they saw on the field 

Edited 7 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[The Wiz]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s ok but is dalton kincaid still skinny?