So why was Diggs traded, again?

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

LMAO - He is not near Diggs prime level, geezus thats so over the top.  Diggs was a legit top 3 WR for his first few years here.  Waddle is a WR2 not even a WR1.  

 

He would have been by the best WR on this team no doubt right now, and he would have helped this group.  BUT this is just over the top to claim he is better than Diggs was.  Literally no one in the NFL would say that either.  And his value is not as high as Diggs was either.

Diggs was maybe a notch or two above what Waddle is thought of before the trade to Buffalo.  
 

We’ll never know what Waddle could’ve turned into with Allen.  

But I’d agree that Diggs had more of a complete skillset.   Big play ability along with elite route running.  Waddle is more explosive than Diggs ever was but isn’t as polished of a bucket getter. 

 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

LMAO - He is not near Diggs prime level, geezus thats so over the top.  Diggs was a legit top 3 WR for his first few years here.  Waddle is a WR2 not even a WR1.  

 

He would have been by the best WR on this team no doubt right now, and he would have helped this group.  BUT this is just over the top to claim he is better than Diggs was.  Literally no one in the NFL would say that either.  And his value is not as high as Diggs was either.

Waddle is not toxic.  And is much more explosive.  At any rate, if Diggs is the best WR in Beanes tenure, who do you think is second best?  Shakir?  Gabe?  Brown?  Very sad.  And if you don’t think Waddle is a #1- have the Bills had a #1 WR not named Diggs in Beanes 9 years?

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Diggs was maybe a notch or two above what Waddle is thought of before the trade to Buffalo.  
 

We’ll never know what Waddle could’ve turned into with Allen.  

But I’d agree that Diggs had more of a complete skillset.   Big play ability along with elite route running.  Waddle is more explosive than Diggs ever was but isn’t as polished of a bucket getter. 

 

i think the opposite tbh

 

waddle's miami production>diggs minnesota production

[SCBills]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

i think the opposite tbh

 

waddle's miami production>diggs minnesota production

Waddle also plays in an offense that will pass the ball. 
 

Didnt Diggs start wanting out because the Vikings became more run heavy?

 

I don’t think Diggs, pre-trade, is head and shoulders above Waddle.. different players.. but Waddle is also in an Offense that has a competent downfield passing attack. 

[QCity]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

diggs fooled a lot of people tho

 

He sure did.

 

 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Waddle also plays in an offense that will pass the ball. 
 

Didnt Diggs start wanting out because the Vikings became more run heavy?

 

I don’t think Diggs, pre-trade, is head and shoulders above Waddle.. different players.. but Waddle is also in an Offense that has a competent downfield passing attack. 

waddle averages 7 targets/game in miami, diggs was at 7.5 in minnesota

[Einstein's Dog]

19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

he had his goofy mini camp thing while Dorsey was still here, allegedly upset about the season prior. 
 

let’s not re-write history to support a new frustration 

What frustration?

 

And yes, there was a rift between Diggs and his jealousy of Allen prior to J Brady taking over.  Diggs didn't like the FO consulting with Allen.  Diggs wanted to be on the diva level of say D Adams who claimed to be in on the coaching and QB decisions w the Raiders.

 

My theory is the rift grew, not just w Allen but the team, exponentially when Brady took over.  We all saw the lack of effort and Diggs taking himself out.

 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Some would say that was the secret to building a sneaky elite offense

Indeed! Remind me again where we rank in PPG, RYPG, and YPG?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Imo waddle would have had a good chance to put up diggs #s in that offense, maybe more

 

Waddle is much more of a threat after the catch, better speed too

 

Not only is Waddle not as talented as Diggs, but this offensive is nothing like Dabolls, no WR under Brady here is going to dominate touches the way Diggs did during his reign here to the same degree.  So no disrespect, but Waddle wasn't going to put up the same numbers nor more.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not only is Waddle not as talented as Diggs, but this offensive is nothing like Dabolls, no WR under Brady here is going to dominate touches the way Diggs did during his reign here to the same degree.  So no disrespect, but Waddle wasn't going to put up the same numbers nor more.

That's why I said 'in that offense'

 

And I submit waddles Miami productions vs Diggs w Vikings as evidence 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Waddle is not toxic.  And is much more explosive.  At any rate, if Diggs is the best WR in Beanes tenure, who do you think is second best?  Shakir?  Gabe?  Brown?  Very sad.  And if you don’t think Waddle is a #1- have the Bills had a #1 WR not named Diggs in Beanes 9 years?

 

Diggs wasn't toxic either, until the end.  He was a top 3 WR in the NFL, Waddle will never at any point in his career now, the past, or future be considered a top 5 WR in the NFL.  They are not in the same class.  He is a good WR, and I would have been happy to add him and he would be our best WR on the roster, especially down field.  But he is not, never has been, and never will be better than Diggs in his prime.

 

We had Diggs, he was not only our WR1, but one of the best in the entire NFL.  His tenure ended here EARLIER than it was supposed to, 1 year into a big extension.  We had 2 off seasons to replace him, and what legit WR1 was available during that span in the draft?  None.  What legit WR1 was available in FA?  None.  What legit WR1 was available via trade - DK and Pickens, but DK is not a great WR1 and limited, and he is way way over paid.  Pickens had more drama issues than Diggs and his team dumped him too, and he had never played at the level he is playing at now in Dallas before.  So hindsight is at play there, he was off most teams radars for all the same reasons the Steelers dumped him. 

 

But you want to point to guys who never got traded and say thats the guy.  Waddle wasn't traded, no one was willing to pay even what we were offering for Waddle, but you want to claim he was better than Diggs?  And you want to be mad that we didn't over pay.  

 

The thing that irks me is all this pissing and moaning some of you do on this subject while refusing to look at the facts that this magical Diggs replacement was never at any point really there while also ignoring Beane has tried to get one like he again did this trade deadline yet NONE of the guys he went after ever got traded in the first place (Wilson, BTJ, Olave, and Waddle).  

 

Dont get me wrong - my thought is that the entire staff and FO are fired right now and they have 1 shot to get their jobs back and that is win the SB.  If they don't I am on board we need to try something different.  But that also doesn't mean all this baseless ranting about not having another top 5 WR to replace Diggs yet is because we refused to do it when there has literally not been someone there outside overpaying for a a couple of WR2 guys or gambling on what was a total kncuklehead to replace our own knucklehead, which was never going to happen.

[Billzgobowlin]

11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Because he didn't want to be here and made his situation so untenable that the Bills were willing to eat tens of millions in dead cap rather than keep him in the locker room.

 

Dont let any revisionist history make this guy look like some sort of super try hard leader and winner.  He forced his way out of two different teams because he is a selfish piece of garbage.

Exactly.  First year at a new place he's fine but further in such as Minnesota and Buffalo he was needing the ball more to justify his lack of production.  At the end he gave up.  He did not work his craft and expected everything to be given to him.

[QLBillsFan]

My contribution is he wanted out of Buffalo. 

[K-9]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

No, it does not negate what he did before. And what he did before does not excuse his complete lack of professionalism when he went into full diva mode….again. 

I never implied that it did. And I don’t think I came anywhere near making excuses for Diggs, either. 

Edited 1 hour ago by K-9

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Diggs wasn't toxic either, until the end.  He was a top 3 WR in the NFL, Waddle will never at any point in his career now, the past, or future be considered a top 5 WR in the NFL.  They are not in the same class.  He is a good WR, and I would have been happy to add him and he would be our best WR on the roster, especially down field.  But he is not, never has been, and never will be better than Diggs in his prime.

 

We had Diggs, he was not only our WR1, but one of the best in the entire NFL.  His tenure ended here EARLIER than it was supposed to, 1 year into a big extension.  We had 2 off seasons to replace him, and what legit WR1 was available during that span in the draft?  None.  What legit WR1 was available in FA?  None.  What legit WR1 was available via trade - DK and Pickens, but DK is not a great WR1 and limited, and he is way way over paid.  Pickens had more drama issues than Diggs and his team dumped him too, and he had never played at the level he is playing at now in Dallas before.  So hindsight is at play there, he was off most teams radars for all the same reasons the Steelers dumped him. 

 

But you want to point to guys who never got traded and say thats the guy.  Waddle wasn't traded, no one was willing to pay even what we were offering for Waddle, but you want to claim he was better than Diggs?  And you want to be mad that we didn't over pay.  

 

The thing that irks me is all this pissing and moaning some of you do on this subject while refusing to look at the facts that this magical Diggs replacement was never at any point really there while also ignoring Beane has tried to get one like he again did this trade deadline yet NONE of the guys he went after ever got traded in the first place (Wilson, BTJ, Olave, and Waddle).  

 

Dont get me wrong - my thought is that the entire staff and FO are fired right now and they have 1 shot to get their jobs back and that is win the SB.  If they don't I am on board we need to try something different.  But that also doesn't mean all this baseless ranting about not having another top 5 WR to replace Diggs yet is because we refused to do it when there has literally not been someone there outside overpaying for a a couple of WR2 guys or gambling on what was a total kncuklehead to replace our own knucklehead, which was never going to happen.

It never had to be a top 5 WR.  The Bills just need a few WRs who can separate quickly.  They need a WR to take the top off, to open up everything underneath, and to get Safety’s and CBs to back the ***** up.  Bills easily could have gotten Jacobi and Shaheed this season.  They could have easily drafted Kyle Williams last draft.  You watch any other team, and their WRs get open.  We see it every week against the Bills.  WRs are an afterthought, it’s all about TEs and Cook.

[mjt328]

Neither side has told the complete story, but we do have lots of pieces that give us strong clues.

 

Diggs was a model player for his first couple seasons on the team.  No matter how much Vikings fans warned us, we wouldn't listen.  We believed that Diggs had turned over a new leaf and matured.  But something broke after the Bengals playoff loss in January 2023 (our third straight postseason exit with him on the team), and he threw a fit on the sideline.  That was when the weird behavior started.  Strange cryptic tweets and comments that seemed to poke jabs at the team and Josh Allen.  Missing mandatory minicamp and creating a huge distraction.  

 

Money wasn't the problem.  Usage wasn't the problem.  He was at the top of the NFL in both when everything started falling apart.  That's why I've always believed his frustrations just reached a boiling point, with the team unable to advance to the Super Bowl.  In many ways, it's hard to blame Diggs for getting upset like that (I know that I have felt exactly the same after those playoff losses).  But considering how pathetic his own production was in those games... maybe he should have done more looking in the mirror.  

 

On the Bills side, I think they decided after Joe Brady took the reigns at OC that Diggs wasn't really needed anymore... and wasn't worth the distractions.  They were shifting to a more run-balanced, check-down/safe offense that refused to force the ball to a WR1.  If Beane hadn't traded Diggs when he did, last year probably would have looked like the Eagles/AJ Brown situation this season.  

 

As I've said before... the problem wasn't trading away Diggs.  His immature nonsense had run it's course.  The problem was that we have tried replacing Diggs with players like Curtis Samuel, Keon Coleman and Josh Palmer.  The closest we actually came was Amari Cooper, and I'm crossing my fingers that Brandin Cooks can turn out better than anyone is anticipating.

Edited 1 hour ago by mjt328

[BillsShredder83]

Having this thread bumped at same time as the new Hailees pregnant started made my heart sink a little lol

 

Every pregnant girl I see, I assume coin flip odds its Stef's 🤣🤣🤣

 

Dude been giving Ghengis Khan a run for his $$$

[Jared]

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Jared said:

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

i wouldnt think too hard about it lol

 

moss>>>>>diggs

[dayman]

4 minutes ago, Jared said:

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

Moss is a true tippy top end all time great and fairly likable. Diggs wants to be a HoFer but won’t be and is unlikable.