There’s something different about McD this season…

[Avisan]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think for a lot of McDermott fans, it would take them not making the playoffs for at least one season,  probably 2. (If someone is a big McDermott supporter, correct me if I'm wrong of course)

 

As the argument is always "it could always be worse and the grass isn't always greener".

No, this seems pretty accurate.  I think barring an injury to Josh, missing the playoffs would be a red flag.

 

And the argument is less "it could always be worse", and more "no seriously guys, it's statistically likely to be worse and we're likely to waste multiple years of Allen's career confirming that it's worse".

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

No, this seems pretty accurate.  I think barring an injury to Josh, missing the playoffs would be a red flag.

 

And the argument is less "it could always be worse", and more "no seriously guys, it's statistically likely to be worse and we're likely to waste multiple years of Allen's career confirming that it's worse".

That's fair as the grass isn't always greener , to your point.

 

But at some point you got to make a change if they don't get to at least a Super Bowl.
 

If you keep McDermott- Imagine wondering , "what if", If the bills never win a Super Bowl and you had Josh Allen at quarterback . That's a tough pill to swallow 

[Nihilarian]

14 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂What on earth

 

He definitely drafted Peterman 

He definitely threw rookie Allen into the middle a 47-3 week1 ass kicking 

 

Feel free to not have conversations w me, but get your facts straight first. Your argument is nonsense

That first game of the season against the Ravens, the consensus was that Peterman would get the start and Allen, being so raw, would sit out that season. 

 

The game was in Baltimore, and it was also played in heavy rain. Buffalo didn't even have a first down until the 3rd quarter. Alas, Peterman was so horrible in that first half that they threw Allen to the wolves in the second half. This was also the game that veteran CB Vontae Davis retired at halftime.  LeSean McCoy had 7 rushes for 22 yards, 3 targets in the pass game for 1 reception for -1 yards. 

 

In that first half, Peterman went 5 of 18 for 24 yards, 2 INTs. 3 sacks and had a passer rating of 0.0.

 

Allen went 6 of 15 for 74 yards and 3 sacks. Buffalo was so overmatched in that game, it wasn't funny. That first season for Allen, the O-line was crap, as were their WRs; their leading receiver was Zay Jones, along with WR Robert Foster, and WR Kelvin Benjamin.

 

That 2018 season was funky in that the Bills started four different QBs. This was also Brian Daboll's first season as OC. 

QB Josh Allen went 5 of 6 in those games. Allen was injured in week 6 against Houston.

QB Derek Anderson went 0-for-2.

QB Nathan Peterman went 0 for 2.

QB Matt Barkley went 1 and 0.

 

Buffalo finished 6-10.  Just sayin. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

That first game of the season against the Ravens, the consensus was that Peterman would get the start and Allen, being so raw, would sit out that season. 

 

The game was in Baltimore, and it was also played in heavy rain. Buffalo didn't even have a first down until the 3rd quarter. Alas, Peterman was so horrible in that first half that they threw Allen to the wolves in the second half. This was also the game that veteran CB Vontae Davis retired at halftime.  LeSean McCoy had 7 rushes for 22 yards, 3 targets in the pass game for 1 reception for -1 yards. 

 

In that first half, Peterman went 5 of 18 for 24 yards, 2 INTs. 3 sacks and had a passer rating of 0.0.

 

Allen went 6 of 15 for 74 yards and 3 sacks. Buffalo was so overmatched in that game, it wasn't funny. That first season for Allen, the O-line was crap, as were their WRs; their leading receiver was Zay Jones, along with WR Robert Foster, and WR Kelvin Benjamin.

 

That 2018 season was funky in that the Bills started four different QBs. This was also Brian Daboll's first season as OC. 

QB Josh Allen went 5 of 6 in those games. Allen was injured in week 6 against Houston.

QB Derek Anderson went 0-for-2.

QB Nathan Peterman went 0 for 2.

QB Matt Barkley went 1 and 0.

 

Buffalo finished 6-10.  Just sayin. 

yeah i remember

 

it was in response to the guy saying how well we groomed Allen

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think for a lot of McDermott fans, it would take them not making the playoffs for at least one season,  probably 2. (If someone is a big McDermott supporter, correct me if I'm wrong of course)

 

As the argument is always "it could always be worse and the grass isn't always greener".

 

I have always been very clear:

 

1. Missing the playoffs barring a major Josh Allen injury;

2. Losing a playoff game to a clearly inferior Quarterback..... that might well get tested this offseason given likely makeup of the playoff field;

3. Any repeat of a 13 seconds level coaching blunder. 

 

I have added a 4th to it this season which is:

 

4. Firing Brandon Beane. I don't think Pegula will but depending on how our season ends I would consider it. And at that point I think you clean house. Bringing in another GM to work with McD when they are likely misaligned is a pretty sure fire way to waste another 2 or 3 seasons before inevitably the coach would be fired anyway. If you fire Beane I don't see an argument for retaining McDermott. 

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

That first game of the season against the Ravens, the consensus was that Peterman would get the start and Allen, being so raw, would sit out that season. 

 

The game was in Baltimore, and it was also played in heavy rain. Buffalo didn't even have a first down until the 3rd quarter. Alas, Peterman was so horrible in that first half that they threw Allen to the wolves in the second half. This was also the game that veteran CB Vontae Davis retired at halftime.  LeSean McCoy had 7 rushes for 22 yards, 3 targets in the pass game for 1 reception for -1 yards. 

 

In that first half, Peterman went 5 of 18 for 24 yards, 2 INTs. 3 sacks and had a passer rating of 0.0.

 

Allen went 6 of 15 for 74 yards and 3 sacks. Buffalo was so overmatched in that game, it wasn't funny. That first season for Allen, the O-line was crap, as were their WRs; their leading receiver was Zay Jones, along with WR Robert Foster, and WR Kelvin Benjamin.

 

That 2018 season was funky in that the Bills started four different QBs. This was also Brian Daboll's first season as OC. 

QB Josh Allen went 5 of 6 in those games. Allen was injured in week 6 against Houston.

QB Derek Anderson went 0-for-2.

QB Nathan Peterman went 0 for 2.

QB Matt Barkley went 1 and 0.

 

Buffalo finished 6-10.  Just sayin. 

 

I thought Vontae retired during a home game? 

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have always been very clear:

 

1. Missing the playoffs barring a major Josh Allen injury;

2. Losing a playoff game to a clearly inferior Quarterback..... that might well get tested this offseason given likely makeup of the playoff field;

3. Any repeat of a 13 seconds level coaching blunder. 

 

I have added a 4th to it this season which is:

 

4. Firing Brandon Beane. I don't think Pegula will but depending on how our season ends I would consider it. And at that point I think you clean house. Bringing in another GM to work with McD when they are likely misaligned is a pretty sure fire way to waste another 2 or 3 seasons before inevitably the coach would be fired anyway. If you fire Beane I don't see an argument for retaining McDermott. 

correct

 

i know replacing beane has been en vogue lately but there is zero rationale for keeping mcdermott if it comes to pass

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I thought Vontae retired during a home game? 

 

Yea Vontae retired week 2 not week 1 was it the Chargers at home? Rings a bell.

[KHAN]

On 12/9/2025 at 8:29 AM, SoCal Deek said:

You have to better than ‘good’ to win the Super Bowl. 

Barry Switzer, Doug Pederson, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin have entered the chat.

[T master]

On 12/9/2025 at 2:04 PM, BananaB said:

Yeah sure, that’s why our 3rd and long defense is so bad. That’s why it’s year 9 and we still struggle against the run. That’s why in 4 straight games against Burrow he opened the game with the same D that gave up TD drive after TD drive. McD is as stubborn as they come with his his system, it’s comical at this point. You know he’s struggling to makes stops but continues to do the same stuff. Learning would be fixing obvious mistakes. 

Do you think that the 38 players this season that have been injured MIGHT HAVE something to do with the performance of the team ???

 

Do you think that the starters that won't come back to the team lost for the season like Carter, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, Bass, Carter, could have something to do with it ??

 

Do you think the starters lost for large parts of the season like Oliver , Max, Kincaid, Palmer, Hardman, & many others might have something to do with it ? 

 

This season the Bills have had 38 yes you read it right THIRTY EIGHT PLAYERS hurt 53 - 38 = 15 how are you to keep a tam with a winning record with that many players hurt ?

 

OH WAIT THE BILLS HAVE A WINNING RECORD NOW DON'T THEY !!!! AND THEY ARE STILL IN THE PLAY OFF HUNT BUT IT'S ALL MCD !! WT*E ...

[Urban Achievers]

As far as I can tell he’s still learning and staying humble … no big changes IMO

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

Do you think that the 38 players this season that have been injured MIGHT HAVE something to do with the performance of the team ???

 

Do you think that the starters that won't come back to the team lost for the season like Carter, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, Bass, Carter, could have something to do with it ??

 

Do you think the starters lost for large parts of the season like Oliver , Max, Kincaid, Palmer, Hardman, & many others might have something to do with it ? 

 

This season the Bills have had 38 yes you read it right THIRTY EIGHT PLAYERS hurt 53 - 38 = 15 how are you to keep a tam with a winning record with that many players hurt ?

 

OH WAIT THE BILLS HAVE A WINNING RECORD NOW DON'T THEY !!!! AND THEY ARE STILL IN THE PLAY OFF HUNT BUT IT'S ALL MCD !! WT*E ...

With Allen, and this roster/injuries, what do you think is a fair record? 

[Nihilarian]

51 minutes ago, T master said:

Do you think that the 38 players this season that have been injured MIGHT HAVE something to do with the performance of the team ???

 

Do you think that the starters that won't come back to the team lost for the season like Carter, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, Bass, Carter, could have something to do with it ??

 

Do you think the starters lost for large parts of the season like Oliver , Max, Kincaid, Palmer, Hardman, & many others might have something to do with it ? 

 

This season the Bills have had 38 yes you read it right THIRTY EIGHT PLAYERS hurt 53 - 38 = 15 how are you to keep a tam with a winning record with that many players hurt ?

 

OH WAIT THE BILLS HAVE A WINNING RECORD NOW DON'T THEY !!!! AND THEY ARE STILL IN THE PLAY OFF HUNT BUT IT'S ALL MCD !! WT*E ...

Naa, what some fans say is that "all" teams have injuries!  What those fans don't get is that this team keeps winning! Even at 9-4 and after a huge win, some fans are still talking about replacing this HC or GM. Get a clue, fellas, as this owner isn't about to fire the best thing that has happened to this team in decades.

 

He looks at his other team and says YIKES!

 

For the life of me, I can't figure out why some fans talk like this.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, T master said:

Do you think that the 38 players this season that have been injured MIGHT HAVE something to do with the performance of the team ???

 

Do you think that the starters that won't come back to the team lost for the season like Carter, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, Bass, Carter, could have something to do with it ??

 

Do you think the starters lost for large parts of the season like Oliver , Max, Kincaid, Palmer, Hardman, & many others might have something to do with it ? 

 

This season the Bills have had 38 yes you read it right THIRTY EIGHT PLAYERS hurt 53 - 38 = 15 how are you to keep a tam with a winning record with that many players hurt ?

 

OH WAIT THE BILLS HAVE A WINNING RECORD NOW DON'T THEY !!!! AND THEY ARE STILL IN THE PLAY OFF HUNT BUT IT'S ALL MCD !! WT*E ...

How many times we gonna use injuries as an excuse. It was the excuse two years ago, it was the excuse last year and now it’s the excuse again… His D, his gameplan. It has failed us with and without injuries. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

How many times we gonna use injuries as an excuse. It was the excuse two years ago, it was the excuse last year and now it’s the excuse again… His D, his gameplan. It has failed us with and without injuries. 

His gameplans really haven't failed while healthy.  Name one bad healthy game?  Maybe "13 Secs?"

[FireChans]

13 hours ago, Avisan said:

I don't think he's shown he isn't capable.  We got absolutely hosed on ball spotting last year in the AFCCG, and there are some pretty interesting statistical analyses demonstrating that the Chiefs get favorable penalty calls specifically in the postseason.  I think last year would have been the Bills getting seal clubbed by the Eagles were it not for the ball spotting shenanigans.

 

If we get bounced out of the wild card round due to coaching blunders I'll sing a different tune.

If not for the refs, the bills could’ve been blown out by the eagles in the Super Bowl is quite the defense of McD’s chances of winning a ring with Allen.

[T.E.]

13 hours ago, Avisan said:

And the argument is less "it could always be worse", and more "no seriously guys, it's statistically likely to be worse and we're likely to waste multiple years of Allen's career confirming that it's worse".

Allen on his own is a guaranteed 10 wins. There is not some hypothetical GM/coach combo out there that would take this team to 6-11.

 

If McDermott can't get to the Super Bowl in a playoff field that may not include Mahomes, Burrows, and Jackson, he is never going to do it. Zero reason to keep him or a front office around so that they can continue to not build around their best player.

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

His gameplans really haven't failed while healthy.  Name one bad healthy game?  Maybe "13 Secs?"

Name the games against +QB’s where it did well? Baltimore in a wind storm. Past that I don’t have any. 

[BananaB]

47 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

His gameplans really haven't failed while healthy.  Name one bad healthy game?  Maybe "13 Secs?"

How about Texans playoff game? What about the first playoff game against the Chiefs?  When we faced Bengals in the playoffs their whole oline was second and third string

Every other one you want to make excuses for injuries but I’m not buying it

 

If you want I can list some of the regular season games our D was worked over the years, or had some hilarious bad moments in key situations like when McCorkle drove the Pats down the field in the last 2 minutes. 

 

Edited 32 minutes ago by BananaB

[eball]

Such petty and entitled fans. Shameful. 
 

Go Bills!