Will Josh Allen want to stick around for a rebuild?

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, zow2 said:

He’s going to be ready for this Steelers game.

 

 

That’s our captain and I fully expect him to show us what he means by appreciating the hurt after a loss. 
 

This insufferable bullcrap after losses needs to stop and some need to get a clue about the nature of the NFL. There will be a re-tooling, not a rebuild. Happens to all great teams at some point. KC is another example. 

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's not how any of this works. If he walks into McDermott's office and demands a trade, he's traded.

 

Maybe not but I don't think it works the way you think it works either.

 

Players say they want to be traded and aren't all the time. AJ Brown comes to mind.

 

First off they're not gonna just give him away if he doesn't "want" to be here and demands a trade.  It would take 2 1sts and 2 2nds + to start the conversation.

 

These big QB trades don't happen very often. I can remember the Giants trading for Fran Tarkenton which took 2 1sts and 2 2nds.  Then they traded back a few years  later for a 1st and a 2nd.  The Rams traded Goff + 2 1sts and a 3rd and 6 players for Stafford.

 

Second off, who ya trade him to?  You're not going to trade him within the AFC East and unless someone bowls you to an AFC team.

 

Who is this magical team that is just 1 30 year old QB away from winning multiple Super Bowls?  I suppose maybe Minnesota but they're a jinxed franchise just like us.  Dallas maybe, they have extra picks from the Parsons trade.  But they're on the hook for Dak. Which brings up another issue, salary cap. Josh is  big hit and I don't think Buffalo is going to want to eat his cap just to give Josh what he "wants".

 

 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That’s our captain and I fully expect him to show us what he means by appreciating the hurt after a loss. 
 

This insufferable bullcrap after losses needs to stop and some need to get a clue about the nature of the NFL. There will be a re-tooling, not a rebuild. Happens to all great teams at some point. KC is another example. 

 

 

Anybody who thinks this guy is running out of Buffalo to go home to California has their head in their butt 

 

This guy is Buffalo.. this guy is the face of the NFL 

 

And he's the epitome of a professional football player

 

As I have always said.. Josh Allen is not the guy that everybody says here is just going to quit and throw in the towel and run home 

 

That's ridiculous

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

23 hours ago, Success said:

Josh will probably stay - but the primary adjectives I'd use to describe him this year are "weary" and "frustrated."  Maybe I'd add "exasperated."

 

Beane has to step up and we have to go all in on receiving targets.  Allen needs to have fun again - that's when we win.  If he had legit #1 & #2 receivers, along with Kincaid & Cook, everything would look completely different.

 

next offseason they need to land a WR1 and not thru the draft. We don’t have that time anymore 

[harmonkillebrew]

the number one reason we keep Knox around on that salary is to keep Josh happy.

There are probably a number of moves (like getting rid of Diggs and absorbing a $30M cap hit) that are done to keep Josh happy. 

 

McD and Beane will never go, unless Josh signs off on some proven SB winner they can lure over from another team (like Tomlin)

53 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

next offseason they need to land a WR1 and not thru the draft. We don’t have that time anymore 

we also have no proven ability to draft well in the 1st round. 

FA WRs are not a dime a dozen. But a lot get traded. We missed Metcalf, Deebo, Pickens, Waddle, and others. Not sure what's left for the offseason

[Chicken Boo]

I don't think he finishes his career as a Bill, but we are YEARS away from that point.  

[C.Biscuit97]

Such a defeatist mindset. If I was Pegula, I’d remind Allen of a few things:

 

- he wasn’t 1st or 2nd team All mountain west

- he completed 52% of his passes as a rookie, one of lowest rates of any qb in the last 10 year

- he had the same OC at the start of his career for 4 years, which never happens (Ej for instant has 1st time nfl OC Nate Hackett as his OC and qb coach his rookie year)

- he played on teams with top 5 defenses

- we traded a 1st for a top 10 wr

- he has one of the biggest contracts in nfl history 

- the team spends to the cap

- he is in every other commercial

 

it’s weird how some of you act like we draft prime Brady as rookie. He was as raw as any top 10 qb in a long time. Allen owes Buffalo/ Bills as much as we owe him. This is sit in a corner of hotel room mentality.  

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I don't think he finishes his career as a Bill, but we are YEARS away from that point.  

Why haha? Teams trade franchise qbs because they are completely washed or they are starting to be. And if it ever does happen, you rebuild your franchise like the Lions did with the Stafford trade. 

[milfandcookies]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Anybody who thinks this guy is running out of Buffalo to go home to California has their head in their butt 

 

This guy is Buffalo.. this guy is the face of the NFL 

 

And he's the epitome of a professional football player

 

As I have always said.. Josh Allen is not the guy that everybody says here is just going to quit and throw in the towel and run home 

 

That's ridiculous

It’s not ridiculous at all. People don’t make an arse outta yourself when it happens 

[Casey D]

As Seinfeld said==people, they are the worst.

[JohnNord]

On 11/21/2025 at 5:55 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

Most of this season and especially after last night, people have been calling for the firing of Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane. 

 

It's pretty clear that the coaching and the systems aren't working anymore. And that the roster is in terrible shape with no easy fixes. Both have had a number of fireable offenses.

 

While I understand fans frustration and wanting a new regime, the question I keep coming back to is would Josh want to stick around for that?

 

He'll be 30 years old next season. We've already wasted much of his prime. A new Coach and/or a new GM will surely want to rebuild the roster, the staff, and the systems in place in their image.

 

This is likely to take time and the odds that they'll come in and get back to where they were immediately while rebuilding is unlikely. It will probably take a couple off seasons. And there's no guarantee whomever we bring in will actually improve things. 

 

My concern is that at Josh's age and with the clock ticking on his prime that he would rather ask for a Trade to a team that has a roster in place and a good coach and GM in place than waste time and roll the dice on a rebuild under unknowns. 

 

There's no easy answer as it's pretty clear that Sean isn't the answer and Brandon has mismanaged the cap and roster. So a lot of things are going to have to be done after this season. But I worry Josh won't want to stick around for a total blow up.

This thread is drunk…go home

[stuvian]

We shouldn't need a full rebuild. Look at the Rams and Seahawks. 

If Clappys scheme has us undersized on D then he or it must go. Beanes scouting system is failing. No impact defenders in 8 seasons. Philly brings in vets like Zach Baun. Other playoff teams are improving while we regress.

[SirAndrew]

29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Such a defeatist mindset. If I was Pegula, I’d remind Allen of a few things:

 

- he wasn’t 1st or 2nd team All mountain west

- he completed 52% of his passes as a rookie, one of lowest rates of any qb in the last 10 year

- he had the same OC at the start of his career for 4 years, which never happens (Ej for instant has 1st time nfl OC Nate Hackett as his OC and qb coach his rookie year)

- he played on teams with top 5 defenses

- we traded a 1st for a top 10 wr

- he has one of the biggest contracts in nfl history 

- the team spends to the cap

- he is in every other commercial

 

it’s weird how some of you act like we draft prime Brady as rookie. He was as raw as any top 10 qb in a long time. Allen owes Buffalo/ Bills as much as we owe him. This is sit in a corner of hotel room mentality.  

Why haha? Teams trade franchise qbs because they are completely washed or they are starting to be. And if it ever does happen, you rebuild your franchise like the Lions did with the Stafford trade. 

I agree, and I don’t think Allen is going anywhere so it’s a moot point. However, in a hypothetical situation, I don’t think an owner pointing these things out makes a guy stay. It’s human nature to give ourselves credit for success. If a player was truly disgruntled, the godfather like “we made you” isn’t going to work. It’s not about the past, it’s about the present. It’s like reminding your partner in a failing marriage that you once “saved “ them. It might be true, but that doesn’t matter when the here and now is a failure. We aren’t necessarily indebted to those who “made us”, we must seek out the best opportunities. 

[Dick_Cheney]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Anybody who thinks this guy is running out of Buffalo to go home to California has their head in their butt 

 

This guy is Buffalo.. this guy is the face of the NFL 

 

And he's the epitome of a professional football player

 

As I have always said.. Josh Allen is not the guy that everybody says here is just going to quit and throw in the towel and run home 

 

That's ridiculous

 

Posts like this are so funny. You are basing this off of a well crafted public image with access to more resources than you and I can fathom. Yes I think he's a great dude especially compared to a lot of other players, but come on.

 

If, and I'm hoping obviously this isn't how it plays out, things don't get better in Buffalo within 2 years, yeah, I think there's a greater than 50% chance at that point he gets out. If things are still ass in 2 years it likely means the offense hasn't been fixed, the defense has let us down, the coaching mess has gotten messier, Allen has spent 2 years getting hit more than he ever has, and most importantly, we aren't winning like we once were and we are no longer Super Bowl contenders. 

 

Unfortunately, if this season doesn't magically come together, and then if this offseason doesn't somehow fix this team, I think we're kinda screwed. At that point it will essentially be obvious we are in more of a rebuild situation than just a "patch things up here and there situation" and personally I don't expect Allen to endure that. And I'm not sure I trust this GM and this coaching staff to get things resolved on that short a time frame. Yes we all hope and pray the Bills win and right the ship, and yes I am not trying to be doom and gloom, but I think people should be a bit more honest with themselves at how precarious this situation is and the reality of the business. 

 

Beane proved at the trade deadline that he is not willing to do what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Either Allen has played Mr. Nice Guy for too long, or Beane truly doesn't give a ***** about what Josh wants and needs, but we were/are clearly in a situation to go all out to make a championship push. Beane being such a tool that he wouldn't even accommodate Miami for which 1st round pick they wanted tells you all you need to know. Let alone the other players outside the division he could have added if he had sweetened the pot just a little bit more. It's not like we're gonna hit with those picks anyways. If Beane had done his job better, McD and even Brady (who is clearly out of his depth and has been from the get go) would not be facing the scheme issues they are facing. We would have enough players of a high enough caliber to compensate. But we don't. And here we are. That is the reality whether or not we want to tell ourselves Josh is too good a soul to leave Buffalo. Respectfully, get real. 

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

 

Posts like this are so funny. You are basing this off of a well crafted public image with access to more resources than you and I can fathom. Yes I think he's a great dude especially compared to a lot of other players, but come on.

 

If, and I'm hoping obviously this isn't how it plays out, things don't get better in Buffalo within 2 years, yeah, I think there's a greater than 50% chance at that point he gets out. If things are still ass in 2 years it likely means the offense hasn't been fixed, the defense has let us down, the coaching mess has gotten messier, Allen has spent 2 years getting hit more than he ever has, and most importantly, we aren't winning like we once were and we are no longer Super Bowl contenders. 

 

Unfortunately, if this season doesn't magically come together, and then if this offseason doesn't somehow fix this team, I think we're kinda screwed. At that point it will essentially be obvious we are in more of a rebuild situation than just a "patch things up here and there situation" and personally I don't expect Allen to endure that. And I'm not sure I trust this GM and this coaching staff to get things resolved on that short a time frame. Yes we all hope and pray the Bills win and right the ship, and yes I am not trying to be doom and gloom, but I think people should be a bit more honest with themselves at how precarious this situation is and the reality of the business. 

 

Beane proved at the trade deadline that he is not willing to do what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Either Allen has played Mr. Nice Guy for too long, or Beane truly doesn't give a ***** about what Josh wants and needs, but we were/are clearly in a situation to go all out to make a championship push. Beane being such a tool that he wouldn't even accommodate Miami for which 1st round pick they wanted tells you all you need to know. Let alone the other players outside the division he could have added if he had sweetened the pot just a little bit more. It's not like we're gonna hit with those picks anyways. If Beane had done his job better, McD and even Brady (who is clearly out of his depth and has been from the get go) would not be facing the scheme issues they are facing. We would have enough players of a high enough caliber to compensate. But we don't. And here we are. That is the reality whether or not we want to tell ourselves Josh is too good a soul to leave Buffalo. Respectfully, get real. 

Matthew Stafford seems like a pretty good dude, and I’m not usually one to compliment random players. He fully embraced Detroit, but eventually did what’s best for his legacy. If Stafford did it, I think anyone would. 

[Dick_Cheney]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

Matthew Stafford seems like a pretty good dude, and I’m not usually one to compliment random players. He fully embraced Detroit, but eventually did what’s best for his legacy. If Stafford did it, I think anyone would. 

 

Good comparison, I agree. 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

 

Posts like this are so funny. You are basing this off of a well crafted public image with access to more resources than you and I can fathom. Yes I think he's a great dude especially compared to a lot of other players, but come on.

 

If, and I'm hoping obviously this isn't how it plays out, things don't get better in Buffalo within 2 years, yeah, I think there's a greater than 50% chance at that point he gets out. If things are still ass in 2 years it likely means the offense hasn't been fixed, the defense has let us down, the coaching mess has gotten messier, Allen has spent 2 years getting hit more than he ever has, and most importantly, we aren't winning like we once were and we are no longer Super Bowl contenders. 

 

Unfortunately, if this season doesn't magically come together, and then if this offseason doesn't somehow fix this team, I think we're kinda screwed. At that point it will essentially be obvious we are in more of a rebuild situation than just a "patch things up here and there situation" and personally I don't expect Allen to endure that. And I'm not sure I trust this GM and this coaching staff to get things resolved on that short a time frame. Yes we all hope and pray the Bills win and right the ship, and yes I am not trying to be doom and gloom, but I think people should be a bit more honest with themselves at how precarious this situation is and the reality of the business. 

 

Beane proved at the trade deadline that he is not willing to do what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Either Allen has played Mr. Nice Guy for too long, or Beane truly doesn't give a ***** about what Josh wants and needs, but we were/are clearly in a situation to go all out to make a championship push. Beane being such a tool that he wouldn't even accommodate Miami for which 1st round pick they wanted tells you all you need to know. Let alone the other players outside the division he could have added if he had sweetened the pot just a little bit more. It's not like we're gonna hit with those picks anyways. If Beane had done his job better, McD and even Brady (who is clearly out of his depth and has been from the get go) would not be facing the scheme issues they are facing. We would have enough players of a high enough caliber to compensate. But we don't. And here we are. That is the reality whether or not we want to tell ourselves Josh is too good a soul to leave Buffalo. Respectfully, get real. 

As I have always said plenty of Bills fans literally are always looking at the Doom side 

 

There's Bills fans who call up wgr just to complain.. but they'll never call up when we're doing good 

 

I have friends who have been watching the bills for 60 years but they only call me to trash them.. never after a good game either 

 

That's a lot of the fan base always on the negative side 

 

We could agree to disagree no I do not think there's a greater than 50% chance lol

 

John elway didn't win his first Super bowl till he was 37 and he didn't leave Denver.. Jim Kelly consistently beat him

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Matthew Stafford seems like a pretty good dude, and I’m not usually one to compliment random players. He fully embraced Detroit, but eventually did what’s best for his legacy. If Stafford did it, I think anyone would. 

Matt Stafford was in Detroit for 12 years and didn't win one playoff game..  did not win One NFC North title 

 

Lost by an average of 15 in the playoffs 

 

.460 win percentage 

 

They failed Matt Stafford way more than Buffalo has ever failed Josh Allen they're not even comparable 

 

Josh is way closer to Peyton Manning comparable who didn't win his first Super bowl till he was 30 didn't go to one till he was 30

 

And they only released him because his neck surgery lucked them into getting Andrew

Edited 32 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[PauleeeWalnuts]

On 11/21/2025 at 6:02 PM, Buffalo03 said:

We don't need to rebuild. We need to make some tweaks. Not tear it all down 

Disagree, this thing needs to be torn down to the studs and rebuilt by someone that’s not McBeane. The ineptitude goes too deep, the “process” is too broken 

[Dick_Cheney]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I have always said plenty of Bills fans literally are always looking at the Doom side 

 

There's Bills fans who call up wgr just to complain.. but they'll never call up when we're doing good 

 

I have friends who have been watching the bills for 60 years but they only call me to trash them.. never after a good game either 

 

That's a lot of the fan base always on the negative side 

 

We could agree to disagree no I do not think there's a greater than 50% chance lol

 

John elway didn't win his first Super bowl till he was 37 and he didn't leave Denver.. Jim Kelly consistently beat him

 

Well, when things are going good, I'd like to hope that those people are enjoying themselves and their life and talking to the people they have around them about what the Bills are doing. And I think this fan base obviously has various amounts of PTSD for an unfortunately extensive list of reasons. I think it's valid to want to have your criticisms and complaints be heard regarding something you care about. But yeah, if those people are never expressing joy at the amazing moments we've been gifted with these past however many seasons now, then they've got more going on in their head that needs to be dealt with than just their opinions of Bills football. 

 

And you're right about Elway, but that was a different era and I feel the game has changed in a ton of ways, especially on the business side since then.

 

I think Elway had Shanahan, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Romanowski, and multiple Pro Bowlers on both sides of the ball. We uh....yeah I don't think we meet that bar right now. 

 

And if I had to put money on it, I don't think Josh plays until he's 37.

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I have always said plenty of Bills fans literally are always looking at the Doom side 

 

There's Bills fans who call up wgr just to complain.. but they'll never call up when we're doing good 

 

I have friends who have been watching the bills for 60 years but they only call me to trash them.. never after a good game either 

 

That's a lot of the fan base always on the negative side 

 

We could agree to disagree no I do not think there's a greater than 50% chance lol

 

John elway didn't win his first Super bowl till he was 37 and he didn't leave Denver.. Jim Kelly consistently beat him

Matt Stafford was in Detroit for 12 years and didn't win one playoff game..  did not win One NFC North title 

 

Lost by an average of 15 in the playoffs 

 

.460 win percentage 

 

They failed Matt Stafford way more than Buffalo has ever failed Josh Allen they're not even comparable 

 

Josh is way closer to Peyton Manning comparable who didn't win his first Super bowl till he was 30 didn't go to one till he was 30

That’s fair, the situation in Detroit was far worse, but I do think modern sports has a culture of chasing the ring in free agency. I’m not convinced any player is above it. Elway belonged to a different era. Brady chased more rings by going to Tampa. I realize Belichick chased him out, but he certainly put himself instantly in a better position. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s fair, the situation in Detroit was far worse, but I do think modern sports has a culture of chasing the ring in free agency. I’m not convinced any player is above it. Elway belonged to a different era. Brady chased more rings by going to Tampa. I realize Belichick chased him out, but he certainly put himself instantly in a better position. 

Tom Brady left at 40 to chase one more Super bowl victory 

 

He didn't leave at 30