According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch

[JBI$111]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

If true, what an enormous whiff by Beane. Basically set the offense back a year. 

 

A year? Try most of his first round picks have been whiffs (and many others) and setback this franchise not just a year, but many years!

4 hours ago, Nuncha said:

He stays.  You know why?  He didn't whiff on Josh Allen and many others.  He pulled this team out of the bottom of the abyss.  17 seasons no post season before he got here.

 

Josh Allen was by no means a sure thing and to a large degree, Beane got somewhat lucky. His draft record overall is horrendous along with all his bad free agency picks and contracts. He has wasted so much precious draft capital that we've acquired over the years that he needs to stay far away from picking players.

[BillsFanForever19]

42 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Bean misses and then double downs on it.  Gets Coleman, and then declares are awful WR room somehow good to go this season.  Terrible job by Bean all around. 

 

We're not discussing his appearance on WGR or how he's fumbled the WR Room. That's been covered to death and we all know his failures there.

 

We're discussing him having too many 1st and 2nd Round Busts in his tenure and the fact is that it's not any higher than most teams in the league.

 

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Yea everyone misses on picks to a degree. The GM that draft Phidarian Mathis is no longer a GM. Basically the only GM that has been tenured longer than him that hasn’t at least made a Super Bowl is Chris Ballard with the Colts.
 

Even acknowledging everyone has their whiffs, what picks he has had that have had success have not been significant enough to counteract the misses and get us where we need to go. 

 

Not every 1st and 2nd Round Pick is created equal. We haven't had a Top 10 selection since 2018 and 2019. Since then we've picked in the 23-30 range and twice didn't have a pick in the 1st Round.

 

Most years we're picking outside of the range of how many "1st Round Grade" prospects are available in the Draft, regardless of the rhetoric he likes to give of "we got the last player we had a 1st Round Grade on" rhetoric he likes to give on an almost yearly basis.

 

Most of those players you say that aren't giving enough impact are very good return for where they're selected. AJ Epenesa, for example, is often talked about as a bust. But compare him to other 2nd Round DE's over the past 15 years who were taken in Round 2, let alone at the bottom of Round 2 and he looks pretty damn good.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Perk71]

Coleman was supposedly Allen's guy...🤷‍♀️

 

Go Bills!!

[BeastMaster]

Beane has butchered the WR position possibly worse than probably any GM in history. Add to it that he has a generational QB and it makes it even more of a disaster 

 

Diggs contract extension with him being traded the next offseason

 

Following up with the Samuel contract and Coleman while failing to trade up and secure any of the top guys that are producing

 

Failing to draft anyone meaningful at the position last offseason and then blowing up at radio hosts when they call you out on it

 

Watching Hollins walk and then signing a Chargers cast off with a whopping one TD last season to another big contract 

 

This guy has failed the Bills and Josh Allen massively. With the money we have tied up in these wideouts, we could've paid an actual playmaker and would likely be an offense that could not be stopped 

[LEBills]

38 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We're not discussing his appearance on WGR or how he's fumbled the WR Room. That's been covered to death and we all know his failures there.

 

We're discussing him having too many 1st and 2nd Round Busts in his tenure and the fact is that it's not any higher than most teams in the league.

 

 

Not every 1st and 2nd Round Pick is created equal. We haven't had a Top 10 selection since 2018 and 2019. Since then we've picked in the 23-30 range and twice didn't have a pick in the 1st Round.

 

Most years we're picking outside of the range of how many "1st Round Grade" prospects are available in the Draft, regardless of the rhetoric he likes to give of "we got the last player we had a 1st Round Grade on" rhetoric he likes to give on an almost yearly basis.

 

Most of those players you say that aren't giving enough impact are very good return for where they're selected. AJ Epenesa, for example, is often talked about as a bust. But compare him to other 2nd Round DE's over the past 15 years who were taken in Round 2, let alone at the bottom of Round 2 and he looks pretty damn good.

Beane hasn’t fumbled every pick, but he hasn’t done well enough. I don’t really care about where we draft, there are good players that go outside the first round every year. The Chiefs dynasty is in part because they found two hall of famers in Kelce and Chris Jones outside of the first round (prior GM but still under Andy). Not to mention Tyreek. 

 

Using AJ as an example really isn’t bolstering your point. Yea he is fine for where he is drafted (0 sacks in 12 playoff games lollll) but in such a competitive league nailing 5 fine players is not getting you over the hump as we have seen. The proof is in the playoff exits.

 

Beane (and the Colts GM) stick out as GMs that have had their job for a long time without the results.

[pigpen65]

Long overdue. He sucks

[Dr.Sack]

The game tomorrow vs TB is being played in 20 mph winds. All this focus on WR seems a bit misplaced given the winner is likely the team who has the most rushing yards.  

[Tanoros]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Beane hasn’t fumbled every pick, but he hasn’t done well enough. I don’t really care about where we draft, there are good players that go outside the first round every year. The Chiefs dynasty is in part because they found two hall of famers in Kelce and Chris Jones outside of the first round (prior GM but still under Andy). Not to mention Tyreek. 

 

Using AJ as an example really isn’t bolstering your point. Yea he is fine for where he is drafted (0 sacks in 12 playoff games lollll) but in such a competitive league nailing 5 fine players is not getting you over the hump as we have seen. The proof is in the playoff exits.

 

Beane (and the Colts GM) stick out as GMs that have had their job for a long time without the results.

I think the main thing missing from this conversation is a realistic understanding of how the draft actually works league wide. The way you are framing it makes it sound like because good players exist in rounds 2 and later, a GM should be able to consistently find them, as if landing strong mid round starters is some kind of yearly expectation. But the league wide numbers do not support that idea at all.

 

The truth is that far more drafted players fail to become meaningful contributors than succeed, even in Round 2. That is not a Beane issue, that is the nature of the NFL draft itself. Treating every non hit as a GM failure ignores how volatile the draft is and how rare consistent mid round success really is.

 

When you look at Beane in that context, his performance is objectively above average. His draft classes have produced an Approximate Value of about 428 compared to an expected value of roughly 362.5. That is around 118 percent of expected value, which means he is getting more real on field production out of his picks than the average NFL GM over the same span.

 

It is also fair to say he has not hit a true home run since Josh Allen. That is a valid criticism and it is something fans understandably want more of. But franchise level players are extremely rare and almost always found in Round 1. Cook might end up being a home run from Round 2, but we still need more time to see how he develops.

 

The larger point is that consistently landing good or solid starters at all is a genuine success. Acting like every GM should routinely find Kelce and Chris Jones level players in rounds 2 or 3 is just not grounded in how the draft actually works. Even great drafting teams miss constantly, including the Chiefs.

 

On AJ Epenesa specifically, he is actually a good example of why expectations need to be realistic. A second round pick who has stayed in the league for five seasons, carved out a real rotational and part time starter role, and continues to contribute is already outperforming the league norm. The average NFL career is about 3.3 years, and many day two picks flame out after two or three seasons and never become starters at all. Epenesa lasting this long and playing real snaps makes him a plus outcome relative to what most teams get from that draft slot.

 

The idea that Beane stands out as a GM who has not produced results also does not match reality. The Bills have won the division four straight years, made multiple deep playoff runs, and maintained one of the league’s most consistently competitive rosters, all while drafting above league expectation in cumulative value.

 

So yes, Beane is not perfect, and he has not hit another Allen level home run. But his draft record is above average, his picks have exceeded league expectation, and expecting any GM to consistently uncover stars outside Round 1 is simply not realistic. Good and plus starters are wins, and Beane has produced those at a rate better than the league baseline.

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-nfl-draft-success-rate/

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/approximate_value.htm

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

The game tomorrow vs TB is being played in 20 mph winds. All this focus on WR seems a bit misplaced given the winner is likely the team who has the most rushing yards.  

Allen can throw thru that with ease. That's nothing 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Tanoros]

I think Bills fans can recognize that Brandon Beane drafts above league average overall while still having legitimate concerns about how he has handled the wide receiver position. Those two things don’t conflict.

 

The main issue is that in a historically deep WR draft class, the Bills only took one swing with Keon Coleman. And now, with Coleman a healthy scratch and questions about his work ethic popping up, that decision looks even riskier. This was the exact kind of class where you either double dip or move up for premium, blue chip talent to support a franchise quarterback in his prime.

 

To be fair, Beane did sign Curtis Samuel, and that deserves acknowledgment. But Samuel has yet to become a consistent focal point in the offense, and relying on one veteran plus a single rookie from a loaded class still left the WR room without the kind of depth and long-term investment this team needed.

 

The frustration many fans have isn’t about Beane’s overall ability as a GM. It’s that wide receiver has been a recurring blind spot during an era where the Bills needed to be proactive, not reactive. Losing both Diggs and Davis in the same offseason should have been the moment to flood the position with young talent, especially given the board.

 

Beane drafts well overall, but the criticism around wide receiver prioritization is completely valid. You can be a successful GM and still mismanage a key position group. And with Josh Allen at the center of everything this team does, wide receiver is not the place to take minimal swings.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Beane hasn’t fumbled every pick, but he hasn’t done well enough. I don’t really care about where we draft, there are good players that go outside the first round every year. The Chiefs dynasty is in part because they found two hall of famers in Kelce and Chris Jones outside of the first round (prior GM but still under Andy). Not to mention Tyreek. 

 

Using AJ as an example really isn’t bolstering your point. Yea he is fine for where he is drafted (0 sacks in 12 playoff games lollll) but in such a competitive league nailing 5 fine players is not getting you over the hump as we have seen. The proof is in the playoff exits.

 

Beane (and the Colts GM) stick out as GMs that have had their job for a long time without the results.

 

Yeah, it really goes without saying that if you land on two future Hall of Famers in Round 2 and Round 3 within 2 or 3 years of each other - you're going to be in really good shape...

 

But that takes *incredible* luck. 9 times out of 10, in Round 2 or Round 3 you're way more likely than not getting something with a ceiling of a low to mid level starter, a role player, and the floor of a flat out bust. Especially if you're picking premium positions like WR, CB, DE, or OT.

[90sBills]

7 hours ago, Success said:

 

It makes no sense to me.  This is a young player's chance to prove himself in the NFL - the decisions he makes could mean millions, or even 10's of millions.  

 

 

He’s set for life on Macy’s jackets with his rookie deal. Anything more is just gravy. 

[Mikie2times]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yeah, it really goes without saying that if you land on two future Hall of Famers in Round 2 and Round 3 within 2 or 3 years of each other - you're going to be in really good shape...

 

But that takes *incredible* luck. 9 times out of 10, in Round 2 or Round 3 you're way more likely than not getting something with a ceiling of a low to mid level starter, a role player, and the floor of a flat out bust. Especially if you're picking premium positions like WR, CB, DE, or OT.

His bigger hits have been at low value positions, like RB, TE, or OL or they have been starter level and not elite talent. Hes done well in value in later rounds, but just very few difference makers. 

 

I mean, what Ed Oliver? And that was 9th pick in the draft. Next best 1at rounder is Groot. Maybe he finally gets an early round hit at a difference making position in Max. 

3 hours ago, notpolian said:

The thing I keep coming back to is Beane was the money guy at Carolina.  He doesn't have the football background.  That helps to explain the uneven early round drafting and his insecurity.  His philosophy of paying home grown guys is ok - he just keeps handling out pretty big contracts to decent but not excellent players.  Eventually that puts you in a bad place, and here we are.

His roots are in administration and cap management. He’s certainly not a scout and didn’t play the game (not even sure if he ever played). Not past high school though for sure.

[BillsFanForever19]

23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

His bigger hits have been at low value positions, like RB, TE, or OL or they have been starter level and not elite talent. Hes done well in value in later rounds, but just very few difference makers. 

 

I mean, what Ed Oliver? And that was 9th pick in the draft. Next best 1at rounder is Groot. Maybe he finally gets an early round hit at a difference making position in Max. 

 

Well that's just it. If you're picking at the bottom of Round 1 at the highest and especially if you're picking one in Round 2 or 3 - you're not getting someone who's considered a difference making, stud prospect at premium positions. 

 

Positions like RB (James Cook), OG (O'Cyrus Torrence), TE (Dalton Kincaid), MLB (Terrel Bernard, Tremaine Edmunds) you're going to get more bang for your buck because they aren't a premium position. 

 

Just like any pick anywhere, you could get lucky and they exceed the expectations of their scouting report. But 'lucky' is the keyword there.

[Ray Stonada]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

If he’s scrubbing the Bills from his socials already he’s a bigger headcase than we thought.

 

Keon, people liked the Macy’s jacket because you knew the price and got it on sale, so we thought you were grounded and that’s cool. Not because you’re a fashion icon.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Ray Stonada said:

If he’s scrubbing the Bills from his socials already he’s a bigger headcase than we thought.

 

Keon, people liked the Macy’s jacket because you knew the price and got it on sale, so we thought you were grounded and that’s cool. Not because you’re a fashion icon.

 

Actually, nothing to see here. I deleted the post bc looking into it more, he blacked out his profile pic a while back. Dudes just clickbaiting.

[Bill from NYC]

11 hours ago, Captain_Quint said:

If Beane whiffed this bad on Elam and Coleman, he needs to be shown the door too. That's a long track record if you throw in Cody Ford, Boogie, etc. 

Do you absolve McDermott and throw all the blame om Beane?

[nuklz2594]

beane made a fubar with keon. sit em down and see what happens. 

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

His bigger hits have been at low value positions, like RB, TE, or OL or they have been starter level and not elite talent. Hes done well in value in later rounds, but just very few difference makers. 

 

I mean, what Ed Oliver? And that was 9th pick in the draft. Next best 1at rounder is Groot. Maybe he finally gets an early round hit at a difference making position in Max. 

His roots are in administration and cap management. He’s certainly not a scout and didn’t play the game (not even sure if he ever played). Not past high school though for sure.

 

Oline, specifically tackle is not a low value position.  Neither is CB1.   Yes, RB may be "low value" but he didnt just draft a good RB, he drafted one of the 5 best in the league.  The Bills roster outside of WR has been solid for awhile now.   Its aging out at some positions, severly injured at others.   They need a bit of a reset.  Which I think you'll see in the offseason.

 

On the point about not playing football, which he did in high school, its just a nonsense argument.   Hes been in football, learning from scouts and general managers for close to 30 years.   Not sure what sitting the bench in D3 college football would have taught him about the game that he doesnt already know.  

 

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

 

If true, thank god!  Admit it Beane you royally f#$&+d up on this pick along with the Elam pick.  You shouldve just been direct and taken Worthy.  I’m reasonable that not every pick will be a hit and in 2022, we acquired several starters.  This was an epic screw up to neglect WRs for the past 5 years.

 

So admit to yourself Mr. Beane you messed up,  not publicly, but this healthy scratch gesture tells he knows he messed up.

 

We have to all hope Palmer, Davis, and Shakir along with Knox in a much larger role will finally create a downfield passing game.  I agree with a couple of analysts that for Cook to be effective, he’ll need to run outside the hashes so as to stay away from Vida.  The man is a mountain and is the definition of an immovable object.  Coming straight ahead at them up the gut in 13 personnel will result in abject failure.  Tampa’s three losses were to only very good teams, vs. our predictable offense was mainly with either inured or just plain bad teams.  Sure, we beat the Ravens and Chiefs, but this last loss to the Fish was the worst loss minus the jags debacle with Meyer.