Passing is better…so, why run?

[Rubes]

This is a video posted a couple weeks ago, so if it was shared here already, my apologies. I did a quick search and didn't find it.

 

Interesting look at why teams still run the ball so much when passing seems to be clearly better. In the end, teams may want to run the ball as much or more than pass it. Is Joe Brady just following game theory? Are we all crazy to think that we run the ball too much, especially with an MVP at QB? Check it out and see what you think.

 

 

[Sojourner]

If we were deploying Ray Davis and had the same effect each time as we have this year it would alarming to keep the run game as focused as it is but with Cook it’s magic at any point. The Jets, Panthers and Chiefs games were moments of wow. That dude’s ability to slip past tackles is special. 
 

Whilst it’s sad to see a guy fresh off an MVP season not be as effective, he’s most dangerous with play action so you have to keep that as a bread and butter. Not to deviate this conversation off course but I’m in firm belief the award Josh received last year was because of the season prior where Lamar won. Should have been Josh in 2023 and Lamar in 2024. 
 

Anyway, you got to run the ball to keep a defense honest, also provides the guaranteed outcome of the clock continuing to tick. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

What week is it? 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Rubes said:

This is a video posted a couple weeks ago, so if it was shared here already, my apologies. I did a quick search and didn't find it.

 

Interesting look at why teams still run the ball so much when passing seems to be clearly better. In the end, teams may want to run the ball as much or more than pass it. Is Joe Brady just following game theory? Are we all crazy to think that we run the ball too much, especially with an MVP at QB? Check it out and see what you think.

 

 

 

Oh Dear God no...

 

We've already done this before with this very video in the downright *hilarious* "Are McBeane secretly creating an elite offense?" thread.

 

We had empirical evidence that the passing game was broken before and after this video came out. I don't know what games you've been watching, but the passing game absolutely is NOT better. 

 

 

[HOUSE]

I say run, why pass?

The Bills give up way to early  imo

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I remember a few years ago one of the morning guys on WGR literally said he did not want the Bills to run because you average more yards per pass therefore you can just pass every play.   The one thing it did not get into was how the defenders have to read pass or run and how that slows you down, I mean he did I guess but he made it sound like you call a play on defense as a pass defense or a run defense, it is never that easy.  You might call a play anticipating a pass more than a run but the players have to read run/pass and it greatly helps the defense when you don't have to make that read.

 

This video was interesting and makes total intuitive sense to me.  The Bills are 32nd is pass percentage, that is too much.  

[BUFFALOBART]

4 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I say run, why pass?

The Bills give up way to early  imo

 

 

Marv Levy: 'Three things can happen, when you pass the ball, and two of them, are bad'. 

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

15 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Marv Levy: 'Three things can happen, when you pass the ball, and two of them, are bad'. 

thought that was Woody Hayes, maybe not

[gobills404]

We run the ball at the second highest rate (49.03%) because we have one of the best rushing attacks in the league and our passing game relies on the threat of the run to create opportunities for our WRs and TEs. When the offense can remain two dimensional the passing game is actually very good. When we fall behind and/or the run game can’t get going the opposing defense can expect more passing plays which is when our poor scheme and poor talent at WR are laid bare (with the exception of the 4th quarter against the Ravens). This offense is just not built to play from behind whatsoever.

[Shortchaz]

23 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Marv Levy: 'Three things can happen, when you pass the ball, and two of them, are bad'. 

 

8 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

thought that was Woody Hayes, maybe not

The original quote is referenced in the video 

[BUFFALOBART]

20 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

thought that was Woody Hayes, maybe not

I heard Marv make this statement. Perhaps, he copped it, from Woody. 

[zow2]

To quote Shady McCoy regarding the Bills receivers, Allen is dealing with the fries at the bottom of the bag.

 

They have to run mainly because they have a good Oline and can’t throw well.  But with the crappy weather starting up, maybe that style of play will pay off big time.

[BuffaloBillyG]

You don't build a bully by passing. 

 

Christian Okoye is rolling over in his grave. I mean, yeah, he's still alive....he just has weird hobbies 

Edited 5 hours ago by BuffaloBillyG

[Don Otreply]

The Bills offense, much like their defense, presently have no plan “B”,  face it, if your offense is not able to pass and run the ball effectively you have a problem in today’s NFL, at this point in our teams season, it will be on the OC’s plate to create a passing game that is effective, on top of maintaining our run game.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, gobills404 said:

We run the ball at the second highest rate (49.03%) because we have one of the best rushing attacks in the league and our passing game relies on the threat of the run to create opportunities for our WRs and TEs. When the offense can remain two dimensional the passing game is actually very good. When we fall behind and/or the run game can’t get going the opposing defense can expect more passing plays which is when our poor scheme and poor talent at WR are laid bare (with the exception of the 4th quarter against the Ravens). This offense is just not built to play from behind whatsoever.

Thats pretty much it. If you stop Cook then you stop the entire offense. 

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Thats pretty much it. If you stop Cook then you stop the entire offense. 

 

Agreed. I had hoped that the return of Palmer and Davis being injected into the Offense would provide a little something extra. But that was with Kincaid in the Offense.

 

Them coming in but losing Kincaid long term is one step forward, one step back.

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Sojourner said:

If we were deploying Ray Davis and had the same effect each time as we have this year it would alarming to keep the run game as focused as it is but with Cook it’s magic at any point. The Jets, Panthers and Chiefs games were moments of wow. That dude’s ability to slip past tackles is special. 
 

Whilst it’s sad to see a guy fresh off an MVP season not be as effective, he’s most dangerous with play action so you have to keep that as a bread and butter. Not to deviate this conversation off course but I’m in firm belief the award Josh received last year was because of the season prior where Lamar won. Should have been Josh in 2023 and Lamar in 2024. 
 

Anyway, you got to run the ball to keep a defense honest, also provides the guaranteed outcome of the clock continuing to tick. 

 

His stats are better this year at the same time as last year.  But I will say his decision making, footwork, pocket presence and vision all seem to be inconsistent this season even though statistically he still produces.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

38 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Agreed. I had hoped that the return of Palmer and Davis being injected into the Offense would provide a little something extra. But that was with Kincaid in the Offense.

 

Them coming in but losing Kincaid long term is one step forward, one step back.

I made a thread about Davis coming back. I truthfully believe he will make a difference. Get some of that early 2020s swagger going again. Hopefully he put his drop issues behind him. 

[gobills404]

57 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Thats pretty much it. If you stop Cook then you stop the entire offense. 

That coupled with the fact that Josh has been worse off script this year

Edited 2 hours ago by gobills404

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Just now, gobills404 said:

That coupled with the fact that Josh has been much worse off script this year

That one play where Josh ran around like Mahomes for 12 seconds and still couldn’t find an open guy should tell you all you need to know.