Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[4th&long]

There have been gambling Scandals in the NBA and MLB. Are we to think gambling is not happening with NFL players? I would like to know who got paid and how much to "not give a *****"? 

[Success]

22 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I’ll keep arguing this point if I have to scream it. The 2021 Bills were 7-6 at one point and almost missed the playoffs. The 13 seconds was a divisional round game. They still would have had to host Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, and the Bengals in the AFC CG the next week. We would have lost that game, just like the Chiefs lost it. The closest the Bills got to winning a SB was last season, when they were a spot away from taking a lead in the CG. But the best Bills team was the 2020 team, and they blew their best chance at greatness by not being ready for the moment in KC.

 

We were way too banged up by the end in 2020.

 

Beasley was playing on a broken leg.  Diggs had an oblique, Davis & Brown were both injured.  It was amazing that we were even able to hang in that game for awhile.

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Your argument lost its juice when you said this…

Haha I hear you. Nice. Decent. Average at best. Is what I meant.

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

if he needs to tape a pic of her to his play calling wristband to get him to pay attention great. Kubiak is implying based on his missed reads and absolutely garbage play that his head is not on football right now. whether it's on Hailee or rainbows and butterflies or world peace. I'm saying get your head out of your ass Josh because it's not on your job.

That I agree with. Missing tons of easy plays. My original point, I think, was that anyone claiming they know it is due to Hailee is likely fibbing

[Paup 1995MVP]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

Cook didn’t get many carries because he was getting stuffed every time they ran the ball and it was putting them behind the sticks in a game where they trailed from the beginning.  People don’t want to admit it, but Miami has a pretty formidable front seven vs the run.  It’s their DBs that are awful and we couldn’t take advantage.

McDermott as the head coach sets the tone.  And his shtick is bland and uninspiring.  He is not a football savant in the mold of many great coaches such as McVay or Shanahan.  Even Mike McDonald seems to be the new top kid on the block as far as having a ferocious defense.  Or is he a tough guy like a Dan Campbell, Bill
Cowher, or a Mike Ditka who just looks at you, and you get on board.  He is basically a nothing.  Just watching Hard Knocks left me thinking what player is going to be motivated by this milk toasty middle age softie. 

 

The game unraveled against Miami when on 4th and 1 on our first series after Bishop made a great interception, and the Bills crowd screaming at Hard Rock Stadium, McDermott took the safe route and punted from our own 34.  He totally took the air out of the team and the very pro Bills crowd.  We never regained the mojo after that weak call.  And that is what you get with McDermott.  (I was there sitting right where the ball was marked, and was very disappointed that we brought out the punting unit.)

 

Josh has been with the team for 8 years now.  He knows the program.  I am sure he is disillusioned with what McDermott and Beane bring to the team.  (If he isn't, he certainly should be.)  Lets hope he can get his head on straight this week against Tampa.  And then at Houston and Pittsburgh the following weeks.  All three games will not be easy.  And I certainly would rather be 9-3 then 6-6.  Its put up or shut time at One Bills Drive.  

[Steptide]

Yall seem to have a very short memory. People saying this is partly due to josh being married now - give me a break. He was married the week before against kc and had a near perfect game. Most of you forget how absolutely anemic the offense was under Dorsey and daboll at times, with MUCH better receivers. I agree the bills need receiver help, and I've said since Diggs left that we need a true number 1, but Josh just had a terrible game this past week. I'm sure it wasn't ALL him. Let's see how this season plays out. There's not much we can do (player wise) at this point 

Edited 2 hours ago by Steptide

[Livinginthepast]

8 hours ago, dorquemada said:

Any time a team plays as unevenly as the Bills are this season, particularly over the last 5 games, it's coaching.  Better coaches would be managing Allen, not letting him sad sack around on the bench. Letting Brady continue to call plays is professional malpractice and our defense looks like a  matador holding a cape

A transparent shower curtain cape at times!

[DrBob806]

11 hours ago, Casey D said:

 

 

Scathing analysis-- "While this game was difficult to watch, I hadn't anticipated the depth of trouble."

 

Allen-- "Allen's performance was below anything I've graded in his career."  It was mind boggling.  Terrible reads, passing over open receivers he was looking at, and simply not staying in-system.  On the end zone pic, the play call was perfect against Cover 0, he had three good options but took none of the, and on option 4 he threw a terrible pass to Shavers.  Josh's mind was clearly elsewhere on Sunday.

 

 

 

The curse of doing commercials. It's taken down many a star athlete. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

No. No, it’s not.  It was 13 seconds.  Deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you knew we would never make the Super Bowl after that game with McDermott as HC.

That might be your feelings but most Bills fans I know were still optimistic at that point.

 

Today feels much more pessimistic than then.

 

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I’ll keep arguing this point if I have to scream it. The 2021 Bills were 7-6 at one point and almost missed the playoffs. The 13 seconds was a divisional round game. They still would have had to host Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, and the Bengals in the AFC CG the next week. We would have lost that game, just like the Chiefs lost it. The closest the Bills got to winning a SB was last season, when they were a spot away from taking a lead in the CG. But the best Bills team was the 2020 team, and they blew their best chance at greatness by not being ready for the moment in KC.

 

I remember you posting this before and I understand your argument.

 

My point is that there was an optimism then that no longer exists today.

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, folz said:

 

1. Has Brady become a bit too predictable over the last 6 weeks or so (with the screens, dump offs, not taking a lot of downfield shots, etc.)

it’s not just that. I can’t remember who showed the play breakdowns but I remember watching it….

 

it was pointed out after the Atlanta game. They figured out how we used motion and how it relates to our passing progressions and blocking assignments. This is why our O was so bad in that game. Atlanta D would show a look. We would use motion like we normally do. Allen would set the blocking and Atlanta would flip their defense. 

[Saratoga Fan]

41 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

There have been gambling Scandals in the NBA and MLB. Are we to think gambling is not happening with NFL players? I would like to know who got paid and how much to "not give a *****"? 

You can't tell me, that hasn't crossed many minds. When a team is this good and then this bad, it is not hard to wonder what the hell is going on. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I’ll keep arguing this point if I have to scream it. The 2021 Bills were 7-6 at one point and almost missed the playoffs. The 13 seconds was a divisional round game. They still would have had to host Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, and the Bengals in the AFC CG the next week. We would have lost that game, just like the Chiefs lost it. The closest the Bills got to winning a SB was last season, when they were a spot away from taking a lead in the CG. But the best Bills team was the 2020 team, and they blew their best chance at greatness by not being ready for the moment in KC.

spot on. I’ve said the same thing in another thread. Last season was the closest we’ve gotten. 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

spot on. I’ve said the same thing in another thread. Last season was the closest we’ve gotten. 

That can’t be argued.

 

However this last loss feels like a tipping point in terms of public confidence in the direction of the team.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sierra Foothills

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Only people who have been beaten down syndrome and think that Buffalo Bills fans can't have any nice would believe that 

 

I don't think Josh is leaving before he's 40 if he's even playing at that time

 

Philip Rivers stayed in San Diego and won a lot less for over 15 years

And Andrew Luck up and quit on a probable HOF career … we can’t get inside these guys minds, try as we might 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

That can’t be argued.

 

However this last loss feels like a tipping point in terms of public confidence in the direction of the team.

 

This loss broke something in all of Bills Mafia. That much is true. For the first time since 2018,  I no longer believe that this organization, as constructed, can win a Super Bowl. Terry was at the game in Miami. Hopefully he saw that too. 

[BillsFan130]

57 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

There have been gambling Scandals in the NBA and MLB. Are we to think gambling is not happening with NFL players? I would like to know who got paid and how much to "not give a *****"? 

Bobby Babich definitely has bet the over on Bills games

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFan130

[philholbroo]

If you go back and watch the Ravens game, immediately after the last Henry TD you can see the look on Josh's face of knowing this defense plan will never get us to the end. The offense ended up opening up big time that game and Coleman was great too, but they have not opened up much again since then.

Edited 1 hour ago by philholbroo

[Scott7975]

27 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

That can’t be argued.

 

However this last loss feels like a tipping point in terms of public confidence in the direction of the team.

 

im not arguing about public confidence. Honestly I’ve had that same confidence since week 1. Im not a believer in this offense because it’s been obvious most of the season that if you shut down Cook, you shut down the offense. Been arguing with the advance stats people about this for weeks. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Beane AND McDermott have been here long enough, with the game samples, to determine their weaknesses and strengths. We can still disagree, but we here can MOSTLY agree:

 

Strengths

- Can identify quality QB

- Can identify quality RB

- Can build a quality OL

 

Weaknesses

- Terrible scouting for defense. Cannot build defense with terrible scouting, brahs.

- Terrible scouting for WR. It's nonexistent. However, Beane can identify good WR examining other NFL teams (LOL).

 

Kryptonite

- McDermott cannot coach defense. When the playoffs arrive, he becomes a mental midget.

 

What these old men pundits all over Youtube don't realize (and didn't mention) that Beane and McDermott wasted Josh Allen's years after 13 Seconds. Also, we're not reaching AFC Title game this season. Firing McDermott is a bit extreme? LOL don't make us laugh. Coaches are fired all the time. McD is no exception. What makes him so special to have a lifetime contract?

 

- McDermott should be fired first, before Beane, once this season ends.

- Open up our minds to welcoming back Daboll as OC. If he doesn't come back, we're not gonna cry about this.

 

Devil's Advocate:

If we get rid of Beane, we're probably doomed at o-line building. Please observe what happened with Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow. When a team doesn't have a good o-line then that's the result.

Edited 45 minutes ago by Buffalo Ballin

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I’ll keep arguing this point if I have to scream it. The 2021 Bills were 7-6 at one point and almost missed the playoffs. The 13 seconds was a divisional round game. They still would have had to host Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, and the Bengals in the AFC CG the next week. We would have lost that game, just like the Chiefs lost it. The closest the Bills got to winning a SB was last season, when they were a spot away from taking a lead in the CG. But the best Bills team was the 2020 team, and they blew their best chance at greatness by not being ready for the moment in KC.

The Bills would likely have ANNIHILATED the Bengals at home in the 2021 season. The Bengals barely beat a bad Raiders team, somehow beat the Titans despite being outplayed, and were on their way to being utterly blown out by the Chiefs until Patrick Mahomes had the worst half and OT of his career — yips-like, even. The Bengals’ o-line was awful, their D was worse in 2021 than 2022, and the Bills’ offense at that point was unstoppable. I truly believe they would have won by 20 or so points and then beaten a decent Rams team in the SB (and bear in mind that the Bills blew out the Rams in LA in their very next game after the SB - the 2022 season opener). That Bills offense in the postseason that year was playing probably the best stretch of offense in franchise history.

Edited 39 minutes ago by dave mcbride

[DrBob806]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Beane AND McDermott have been here long enough, with the game samples, to determine their weaknesses and strengths. We can still disagree, but we here can MOSTLY agree:

 

Strengths

- Can identify quality QB

- Can identify quality RB

- Can build a quality OL

 

Weaknesses

- Terrible scouting for defense. Cannot build defense with terrible scouting, brahs.

- Terrible scouting for WR. It's nonexistent. However, Beane can identify good WR examining other NFL teams (LOL).

 

Kryptonite

- McDermott cannot coach defense. When the playoffs arrive, he becomes a mental midget.

 

What these old men pundits all over Youtube don't realize (and didn't mention) that Beane and McDermott wasted Josh Allen's years after 13 Seconds. Also, we're not reaching AFC Title game this season. Firing McDermott is a bit extreme? LOL don't make us laugh. Coaches are fired all the time. McD is no exception. What makes him so special to have a lifetime contract?

 

- McDermott should be fired first, before Beane, once this season ends.

- Open up our minds to welcoming back Daboll as OC. If he doesn't come back, we're not gonna cry about this.

 

Devil's Advocate:

If we get rid of Beane, we're probably doomed at o-line building. Please observe what happened with Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow. When a team doesn't have a good o-line then that's the result.

Spot on.

 

Can I add that Beane has been trying to build this team to take down KC, which is somewhat smart.

 

The problem with that is other AFC teams who were afterthoughts passed the Bills by with their roster building. 

 

Anything is possible if the Bills make the playoffs, but I'm prepared for 1 and done.