Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you? 

 

Of course it isn't. Shouldn't be good enough for anyone. It does slightly come back to "why has it not been better?" though. I don't think that answer is quite as simple as others do - but that's the modern sports landscape - coaches get over blamed for everything. Sunday felt like an end of days for this regime. If the rest of the season looks like that there will be a change I think, as much as I suspect Pegula is instinctively cautious to move on. 

[ScottishBills]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course it isn't. Shouldn't be good enough for anyone. It does slightly come back to "why has it not been better?" though. I don't think that answer is quite as simple as others do - but that's the modern sports landscape - coaches get over blamed for everything. Sunday felt like an end of days for this regime. If the rest of the season looks like that there will be a change I think, as much as I suspect Pegula is instinctively cautious to move on. 

Coaches are blamed as that is the easiest lever to pull.

You cant change (all) the players.

You cant dump all the contracts.

You cant just get rid of the nearly man syndrome that has put a downer on a largely excellent 5 years

 

But if we agree it wouldn't be good enough to do the same for the next 5 years - then the coach and GM are the things that can be changed to try and engineer a better result, the ultimate result.

 

As has been repeated thousands of times, those on this side of the fence are not morons as several posters (not you!) like to state - we are perfectly aware that it could end up worse. At the same time as understanding it could end up better. And crucially, worse no longer bothers a lot of us - its not as bad as the lack of access to a higher ceiling.

 

If it goes from AFCE and divisional exit after the defence fails (again!) and the offence comes up short (again!) to 2nd place in the division and a wildcard exit - lots of us are not bothered. If it goes to 3rd place and missing out on the playoffs, again, thats fine. We will get a different coach and try again.

 

What is not fine is ambling along with the exact same !@#$ing plan every year into the exact same !@#$ing result.

 

I mean the WR conversation is so boring to a lot of people because its been the exact same issue for almost 2 years now!! Without being fixed. Its shambolic.

The lack of elite talent is even a longer term issue - Beano's obsession with 6.5/10 players is a massive part of the issue. And its part of the same tired philosophy - it should get us the division and a chance in the post-season (even that is wavering this year, but to be fair, that hasn't been in question for 5 years and fair play to them for that). The same ***** Tomlin spouts every year.

 

Zooming out - I don't really know what to say to people who watch the Texans D or the Cleveland D or the Rams O or the Seahawks O and think "Yep, McBeane is as good as it gets, I feel confident they will get it done, no need to consider changing the plan".

 

I mean the Rams were literally giving away their picks at the side of the street and managed to get it rebuilt inside of a year. Meanwhile we are twiddling our thumbs saying "well when they are all fit, we'll be able to nickel and dime our way to a 3 point victory against the big boys" - its beyond a joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

[davefan66]

On 11/11/2025 at 4:26 PM, mjt328 said:

 

People keep saying this.  But you would be surprised how quickly things can spiral out of control.

 

When the season started, I would say the fire McDermott/Beane crowd was less than 10-20% of Bills fans.  Very much in the minority.  Now after the Dolphins loss, I would say it's at least 50%, if not well above that.  Pretty much everybody I know is done with them.  And as I write this, the team still has a 6-3 record, is still in the driver's seat for a playoff spot, and still (mathematically at least) in contention for both the division title and top seed in the conference.

 

There still seems to be some optimism lingering that Buffalo will turn things around.  But I'm not sure we see a repeat of the 2023 season.  The way this team has been playing on both sides of the ball all year long, I could easily see them dropping another 3-6 games.  The Bucs, Patriots and Eagles should be heavily favored at this point.  The Bengals could very likely have Joe Burrow back.  The Steelers and Texans are toss-ups.  

 

I'm not sure where the idea came from that McDermott and Beane are completely untouchable.  No owner was going to fire their GM or HC with the record they have amassed over the last 5-6 years.  But if they miss the playoffs, 90% of the fans in Buffalo and the voices in the media will be screaming for a change in leadership.  That pressure could be too hard for the Pegulas to ignore.

 

While I may agree that there is a larger percentage of fans wanting change than at the beginning of the season, it is nowhere near 50%.  The percentage you are referencing is most likely what you feel you see on this board. I don’t feel those who are steadfast proponents of the current regime, those who casually think we have the right group or those who are wait and see are adequately represented. Those who want regime change are more vocal and drown out those who feel otherwise.
 

It is every fans right to feel how they feel. If you want change and you want it now, you have the right to feel that.  So do those who prefer no change.

 

My opinion? I’m tired of getting close and not being able to get the job done. I am fatigued of giving my all caring about this team and not getting to the Super Bowl.  When we win a game, I get energized again.

 

Do I want change? Only if it guarantees we are better and does not waste time.  Will there be change? No, only chance for that is if we lose every game left on the schedule. Beane isn’t going anywhere. Beane isn’t going to toss McD under the bus. McD isn’t tossing Beane under the bus. If taken to the carpet with Pegs, they will cite injuries and whatever to save their jobs. Our record under this regime gives them at least one more season.  Even if we lose every last game, I don’t see them going anywhere.

 

Lastly, feel it’s kinda weird how vocal people are and we are 6-3. Yeah, lost games we expected to win. Pats have taken over the division, but with an easier schedule. Yeah, swung and missed on wide receivers. I will say this, even if we were 8-1, people would still be wanting change.  

[H2o]

On 11/11/2025 at 2:02 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I have little to no interest in a recycled guy. I don’t “need” to see someone that won a long time ago. Bill Cowher was never the answer for the 20 straight years of people screaming for him. Gruden sucks. I also don’t think Shanahan and McVay are realistic so cross them off. Those teams aren’t trading their elite coaches because we want them to. Curt Cignetti was my guy but don’t think that we can afford him at this point. 
 

I think that Lane Kiffin is my guy now. He has just enough ego and edge. The Bills have lacked a swagger and killer mentality. This offense would be explosive. Lane would inject that confidence. Schwartz would be my goal at DC.
 

If Schoen gets fired he would be my GM target. He seems to be the scout. He’s drafted elite talent and the Bills roster was better when he was here. If not Schoen, I’d try to pry Nick Casserio away from the Texans. I don’t know what that looks like either but he’s excellent. 

I like the idea of Lane Kiffin as our HC. I feel like he has grown in a major way at Ole Miss. His offensive mind is exceptional. I think he would do great things here in that regard. The question would be who would he tap on the shoulder to manage the defense? You would hope it would be someone who ran an attacking style defense like his father. 

 

Schoen or Casserio would be quality hires, but there are a couple others I would absolutely consider. I would definitely bring John McKay in for an interview at the least, assistant GM of the LA Rams. He has worked his way up through the scouting and personnel  departments for the last 10 years before being tabbed as Assistant GM this year. I would also give an interview to Nolan Teasley, who is the assistant GM in Seattle and has been there since 2013 working his way up the ranks. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

Coaches are blamed as that is the easiest lever to pull.

You cant change (all) the players.

You cant dump all the contracts.

You cant just get rid of the nearly man syndrome that has put a downer on a largely excellent 5 years

 

But if we agree it wouldn't be good enough to do the same for the next 5 years - then the coach and GM are the things that can be changed to try and engineer a better result, the ultimate result.

 

 

I get that, but it is why fans tend to over index the impact that has. I think this regime has been for a couple of years in year to year territory. I think they overachieved slightly last year, this year it looks like they will underachieve, and that could very well mean time for a change. But I still overall don't think it is really coaching that is holding us back. I do think the team building approach has, and while that is largely on Beane I do believe he and McDermott are broadly aligned on the philosophy (though it doesn't excuse Beane blowing some of the picks). There is some merit in a fresh voice and fresh outlook and I am not a "don't fire people in case it gets worse" person. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I get that, but it is why fans tend to over index the impact that has. I think this regime has been for a couple of years in year to year territory. I think they overachieved slightly last year, this year it looks like they will underachieve, and that could very well mean time for a change. But I still overall don't think it is really coaching that is holding us back. I do think the team building approach has, and while that is largely on Beane I do believe he and McDermott are broadly aligned on the philosophy (though it doesn't excuse Beane blowing some of the picks). There is some merit in a fresh voice and fresh outlook and I am not a "don't fire people in case it gets worse" person. 

I could be wrong, but I think Beane goes before McDermott if things continue as current. I also think there have been breadcrumbs dropped that there is a separation between them. McDermott corrected the media and saying I "never said we want to be a running team" with " we want to be 2 dimensional", was a message sent before the trade deadline. Beane failed, and there could be reasons, by he failed never the less on multiple occasions to fix the WR problem with plenty of opportunity to do so. If things continue the ROS the way they have gone he could/should be a casualty.

Edited 4 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Every team has injuries.   It's a lame excuse.  Somehow other coaches still win.  We don't because we don't have offensive or defensive geniuses.  We have a staff that is maybe above average. 

Yea? Is it?

 Tell that so called "lame excuse" to the 3-6 Cincinnati Bengals who are missing QB Joe Burrow who started only two games this years and won both.

Or the 4-5 Baltimore Ravens missing QB Lamar Jackson for several games.

Or the 3-7 Washington Commanders who are missing Jaden Daniels.

Or The 6-4 San Francisco 49ers missing QB Brock Purdy. 

 

Injuries matter! Injuries are not a lame excuse as they matter to all NFL teams. Some teams are better suited to deal with those injuries and some aren't. 

 

Teams with the most players on injury reports in 2025 (as of October 13): 

Rank Team Players on Injury Report

1 San Francisco 49ers 72

2 Dallas Cowboys 58

3 Buffalo Bills 57

4 Detroit Lions 56

5 Philadelphia Eagles 52

6 Washington Commanders 52

 

The Buffalo Bills #1 pick in this years draft was out injured for most of the season, It mattered and it showed when he returned!. #2 pick TJ Sanders has been out. #3 Landon Jackson is now on IR. CB Dorian Strong has a neck injury.

 

 The Buffalo Bills injury list looks like a MASH unit.  The Bills lost starting TE Dalton Kincaid, starting WR Josh Palmer during a game and it mattered!

 

Table - Injury report

PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status

Christian Benford, CBGroin--Terrel Bernard, LBAnkle--Joey Bosa, DEWrist the man is playing one handed and still a beast!--A.J. Epenesa, DEConcussion--Taron Johnson, CBGroin--Dalton Kincaid, TEHamstring--Cam Lewis, DBCalf--Phidarian Mathis, DTShoulderDNP--Josh Palmer, WRKnee/Ankle--Jordan Phillips, DTWrist--T.J. Sanders, DTKnee--Khalil Shakir, WRAnkle/Ribs--Shaq Thompson, OLBHamstring

 

The Buffalo Bills are currently 6-3 because they have a good HC who is now calling the defensive signals and a good GM who keeps finding replacement players to sub in for the many  injured. Some teams aren't as lucky. 

[Kirby Jackson]

29 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Yea? Is it?

 Tell that so called "lame excuse" to the 3-6 Cincinnati Bengals who are missing QB Joe Burrow who started only two games this years and won both.

Or the 4-5 Baltimore Ravens missing QB Lamar Jackson for several games.

Or the 3-7 Washington Commanders who are missing Jaden Daniels.

Or The 6-4 San Francisco 49ers missing QB Brock Purdy. 

 

Injuries matter! Injuries are not a lame excuse as they matter to all NFL teams. Some teams are better suited to deal with those injuries and some aren't. 

 

Teams with the most players on injury reports in 2025 (as of October 13): 

Rank Team Players on Injury Report

1 San Francisco 49ers 72

2 Dallas Cowboys 58

3 Buffalo Bills 57

4 Detroit Lions 56

5 Philadelphia Eagles 52

6 Washington Commanders 52

 

The Buffalo Bills #1 pick in this years draft was out injured for most of the season, It mattered and it showed when he returned!. #2 pick TJ Sanders has been out. #3 Landon Jackson is now on IR. CB Dorian Strong has a neck injury.

 

 The Buffalo Bills injury list looks like a MASH unit.  The Bills lost starting TE Dalton Kincaid, starting WR Josh Palmer during a game and it mattered!

 

Table - Injury report

PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status

Christian Benford, CBGroin--Terrel Bernard, LBAnkle--Joey Bosa, DEWrist the man is playing one handed and still a beast!--A.J. Epenesa, DEConcussion--Taron Johnson, CBGroin--Dalton Kincaid, TEHamstring--Cam Lewis, DBCalf--Phidarian Mathis, DTShoulderDNP--Josh Palmer, WRKnee/Ankle--Jordan Phillips, DTWrist--T.J. Sanders, DTKnee--Khalil Shakir, WRAnkle/Ribs--Shaq Thompson, OLBHamstring

 

The Buffalo Bills are currently 6-3 because they have a good HC who is now calling the defensive signals and a good GM who keeps finding replacement players to sub in for the many  injured. Some teams aren't as lucky. 

If the Bills were missing Josh Allen for a period of time, injuries would be a valid excuse. That would even be true for Cook to a lesser extent. I think that Allen, Cook, Shakir and the entire OL have combined to miss one game (Spencer Brown). Kincaid has missed a game as well. We aren’t in the situation that Baltimore/Cincinnati were/are in. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Nihilarian]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the Bills were missing Josh Allen for a period of time, injuries would be a valid excuse. That would even be true for Cook to a lesser extent. I think that Allen, Cook, Shakir and the entire have combined to miss one game (Spencer Brown). Kincaid has missed a game. We aren’t INT he situation that Baltimore/Cincinnati were/are in. 

Injuries are a valid reason even if you pot stirrers don't like it. Josh Allen is such a tough guy we really don't know the extent of any of his injuries, fractured left hand, his elbow, concussion, his arm and unless it is super serious he probably wouldn't let on.

 

Anyway, the season is half over and 57 injuries to players isn't a reason? Let's look at that #1 pick In Max Hairston who was more than likely pegged to start and Beane/McD were smart enough to have contingent plans in other veterans to step in if needed. Jordon Poyer was brought in to help the younger players and ends up playing.

 

Nine Buffalo players from the defense on IR right now. Landon Jackson, Ed Oliver, DeWayne Carter, TJ Sanders, Michael Hoecht, Dorian strong, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Wande Owens.

 

Currently, seven players on the roster are questionable and five are starters! And that's just on defense as Shakir and Kincaid are also questionable. 

Injuries matter! 

 

All this talk about changing the HC/GM is just that, talk. This owner isn't changing his HC or GM unless the team tanks badly and even then I highly doubt anything changes unless the Buffalo Bills suddenly turns into the Cleveland Browns or NY Jets. Sok, keep spitballin if it makes you feel better. 

 

This is not a mediocre team as they have been on the verge of a SB the last two seasons and missed out by 3 points each year. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

If we fired McD, kept Beane and hired Gruden, I'd lose all faith in Pegs. 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the Bills were missing Josh Allen for a period of time, injuries would be a valid excuse. That would even be true for Cook to a lesser extent. I think that Allen, Cook, Shakir and the entire OL have combined to miss one game (Spencer Brown). Kincaid has missed a game as well. We aren’t in the situation that Baltimore/Cincinnati were/are in. 

 

People forget that since 2023, their starting OLinemen have missed a grand total of 2 games (both Spencer Brown).  This is incredibly fortunate.  Same goes for Josh.  Cook has missed 5.  7 starting positions across 2 and a half seasons missing 7 games.  

 

It's not all cloudy on the injury front.  

[NoSaint]

23 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Part of the problem here is people have a tough time detaching from the drought. Obviously they hired a bunch of average to bad coaches in that time. Not one of them had Josh Allen though. What would Chan Gailey look like with Josh? The downside risk just isn’t there to keep status quo. We have 5 or so years of prime Josh left. You can’t miss this window IMO or you might not get one. They’ve already let it get too far IMO.

 

yea- it’s practically no risk and who knows, maybe upside 

 

I can only imagine what Chan would do with Josh 

[dave mcbride]

On 11/12/2025 at 6:57 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

That combination is intriguing, but make no mistake that is a Head Coach downgrade that you are hoping outperforms what we have by a bit of freshness of voice and potentially an upgrade at OC. While I agree Saleh wasn't responsible for bringing the entire circus to town in NYC he definitely didn't help himself with his press interactions. 

 

 

This is a good point. Fundamentally it's the same defense. 

 

Yea McDermott was hired by Terry, not Whaley. 

 

There not a snowball's chance in hell that Saleh would be a viable candidate to replace McDermott: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SaleRo0.htm. He has had a few good years on the defensive yards-allowed side for both SF and the Jets, but the points given up are a problem, even in SF, where they finished 25th, 28th, 8th, and 17th in point allowed per game. 

 

I know there is the context of the Jets ownership, but I don't see how Pegula could ever successfully sell Saleh to this fanbase given that McDermott's defenses don't give up many points at all. I mean, they are kind of a shitshow this season, but they are STILL 11th in points given up. Since 2019, they have finished 2nd, 16th, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 11th, and 11th. SF's defense this year is 21st in yards allowed and 15th in points. Sure, they have injuries, and that should be taken into account, but so does everyone at this point. 

 

[The Jokeman]

14 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

People forget that since 2023, their starting OLinemen have missed a grand total of 2 games (both Spencer Brown).  This is incredibly fortunate.  Same goes for Josh.  Cook has missed 5.  7 starting positions across 2 and a half seasons missing 7 games.  

 

It's not all cloudy on the injury front.  

The OL staying healthy am sure has helped keep JA17 healthy too but  yeah injuries elsewhere are hurting this team as everyone talks about us beating KC in the regular season but losing to them in the post season, has anyone taken the time to see how close the lineups were on both teams in both matchups? Am willing to guess we'd see we have 2-4 guys that started in the regular season matchup are missing in the playoff matchup and why our defense not been as strong in the latter. 

[ScottishBills]

13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The OL staying healthy am sure has helped keep JA17 healthy too but  yeah injuries elsewhere are hurting this team as everyone talks about us beating KC in the regular season but losing to them in the post season, has anyone taken the time to see how close the lineups were on both teams in both matchups? Am willing to guess we'd see we have 2-4 guys that started in the regular season matchup are missing in the playoff matchup and why our defense not been as strong in the latter. 

 

Out of interest, do you guys who believe only injuries have stopped us from going all the way think that is pure bad luck?

 

I also spent at least up to 2023 saying similar, but at some point it feels to me like the guys in charge have to take some blame when its a constant on the defensive side of the ball.

 

Whether that is a poor S&C team, drafting and signing undersized or injury prone guys, usage, practice habits - whatever - it just keeps happening.

 

Its going to be pretty boring being sat here in 2029 saying "if only Landon Jackson and Deone Walker had been fit...(and obviously Jordan Poyer will still be knocking about).

 

I do sort of agree with your main point - i think we would have won at least 2 of the post season games with a fuller complement of defense - but at some point, we have to move away from dumb bad luck to institutional issue. For what its worth i think the same about Shanahan, it cant just be bad luck forever, they are doing something wrong - and after 7-8 years its clear they dont know how to fix it.

Edited 1 hour ago by ScottishBills

[IsolateThis]

Russ Brandon and/or Doug Whaley.

 

Just kidding - Beane and McDermott were not at all on my radar when they came along, and as frustrated as we are, they did do a good job of taking us from the drought and punchline of the league, to getting the unicorn QB and perennial superbowl contender. I don't think it is possible to look at other candidates and know how they would fare here, simply because the dynamics that they are working within at their current location will be different (different ownership, executive structure, personnel, etc). 

 

I think more importantly - who is going to advising Pegula on this next decision?

[Kirby Jackson]

48 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Injuries are a valid reason even if you pot stirrers don't like it. Josh Allen is such a tough guy we really don't know the extent of any of his injuries, fractured left hand, his elbow, concussion, his arm and unless it is super serious he probably wouldn't let on.

 

Anyway, the season is half over and 57 injuries to players isn't a reason? Let's look at that #1 pick In Max Hairston who was more than likely pegged to start and Beane/McD were smart enough to have contingent plans in other veterans to step in if needed. Jordon Poyer was brought in to help the younger players and ends up playing.

 

Nine Buffalo players from the defense on IR right now. Landon Jackson, Ed Oliver, DeWayne Carter, TJ Sanders, Michael Hoecht, Dorian strong, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Wande Owens.

 

Currently, seven players on the roster are questionable and five are starters! And that's just on defense as Shakir and Kincaid are also questionable. 

Injuries matter! 

 

All this talk about changing the HC/GM is just that, talk. This owner isn't changing his HC or GM unless the team tanks badly and even then I highly doubt anything changes unless the Buffalo Bills suddenly turns into the Cleveland Browns or NY Jets. Sok, keep spitballin if it makes you feel better. 

 

This is not a mediocre team as they have been on the verge of a SB the last two seasons and missed out by 3 points each year. 

Every team has injuries. Total injuries mean nothing. The only thing that matters is WHO is injured. If you asked the Ravens would you rather lose 6 starters on defense or Lamar, they pick 6 starters on defense. Oliver is the only impact player to miss time. Benford is a good player but isn’t having a great year. He matters too. The Bills injury issues are WAY overblown because their best players are playing every week. Oliver is the only guy on the team that matters that has missed more than 1 game!!

[BillsVet]

11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The OL staying healthy am sure has helped keep JA17 healthy too but  yeah injuries elsewhere are hurting this team as everyone talks about us beating KC in the regular season but losing to them in the post season, has anyone taken the time to see how close the lineups were on both teams in both matchups? Am willing to guess we'd see we have 2-4 guys that started in the regular season matchup are missing in the playoff matchup and why our defense not been as strong in the latter. 

 

The question is why does this happen every year on defense?  And, are they, specifically the HC, doing a deep enough dive to understand why almost every season they have so many defensive injuries?  Is the scheme, which features smaller players functionally appropriate for the league?  Is it a strength and conditioning issue?   

 

They need to stop going into the off-season with...let's just get different and more defensive players to address the injury issue.  Probably time to explore playing defense differently in personnel if they can't hold up for 17 games and the playoffs.    

[ScottishBills]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Every team has injuries. Total injuries mean nothing. The only thing that matters is WHO is injured. If you asked the Ravens would you rather lose 6 starters on defense or Lamar, they pick 6 starters on defense. Oliver is the only impact player to miss time. Benford is a good player but isn’t having a great year. He matters too. The Bills injury issues are WAY overblown because their best players are playing every week. Oliver is the only guy on the team that matters that has missed more than 1 game!!

 

Slight aside, he is not the only one.

I was reasonably happy in the summer with the new contracts handed out - i wouldn't have done Bernard at that price, but the others seemed ok

 

But some of those guys - Benford, Bernard, Shakir - plus a bunch of other guys - Taron, Milano, Rapp - all played well below the level we know they can play

 

In Rapp's case it seems like we found out that there was an injury behind that (or they are lying i suppose)

Possible some of the others are also?

 

I only say this because in the absence of a bunch of new players appearing from heaven to fix it - we are stuck with these guys. And that would actually be just about fine if they played at 8/10 rather than 6/10 every week.

 

Also, i dont rate games missed as the measure (though it is the easiest measure) - Kincaid has only missed one game this season, and a couple last year maybe - but he has barely been fit through that stretch - you don't have the real player, even though it shows as "not injured"

 

[GerstAusGosheim]

14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Leslie Frazier was the DC and responsible for the 13 second debacle and he was replaced.

 

This is false. Sean took over play calling. Confused the kick and called the D. It's 100% on him. And the D has declined since Leslie's #1 ranked defenses.

 

14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

When he left ken Dorsey attempted to follow suit. It wasn't good enough so he was fired and replaced mid season.

Sean handed a Rookie OC in Dorsey the reigns of Josh/Diggs in their prime and scored a whole 10 points against the Bengals in the playoffs. Instead of firing him then, Sean waited another half season. So yes, midseason, but 1.5 years into it. We are now 1.5 years into a Rookie DC and people are calling for his head, too. 

 

14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The Buffalo Bills currently have a great head coach and GM!

 

I think we have a good coach and good GM. Will always be thankful to this regime for breaking the drought. But they have failed to reach the Super Bowl now 4 years in a row with an MVP level QB. If they don't make the Super Bowl this year, 5 years straight, what evidence is there that Sean can elevate this team to the next level?

 

14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

With this owner searching for a new HC/GM...no thank you. 

This is a very fair criticism. But to your point, you're trusting this owner to hold onto a head coach who cannot get an MVP level QB to the Super Bowl. Goes both ways.

 

 

If the Bills make it to the Super Bowl this year, I will happily eat all of these words. If they don't, it's time to move on.