The Bills were high bidders for Waddle, tried acquiring Williams

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed.

 

I also dont understand why Beane is so protective of his early picks. It’s not like he is great at them.

 

I'd understand more if they were top 5-10 picks but they are generally in the late 20s.  

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

 

Definitely can’t blame Beane for that. The only thing I fault Beane on was not addressing the WR1 position this offseason. But I can see why he didnt. I mean Josh did win the MVP with this same group of guys last season. Only difference now Josh isn’t play as well and he's back to turning the ball over. 
 

Every human being, no matter how elite in their field, will exhibit a range in their performance over time.  if Bean/McD/Brady thought Allen would play at an MVP level for two consecutive seasons they were crazy.  

 

As for Allen's play this year and looking at his stats, I would suggest he is playing at an elite but not at an MVP level:

 

Passing:  70.3% completion rate; 2139 yards; 15 TD's & 5 INT's and a QB rating of 105.7

 

Rushing:  311 yards; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

 

Total Offensive Output:  2450 yards; 22 TD's & 7 TO's.  He's on pace here for a season with 4626 total yards; 41 TD's & 13 TO's.

 

So yes, obtaining a true WR1 in the off season should have been a high priority for Bean.  Allen's performance to date supports the idea that adding a WR1 over the summer would have resulted in the Bills being in a much better place then they are now.

 

 

 

 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Every human being, no matter how elite in their field, will exhibit a range in their performance over time.  if Bean/McD/Brady thought Allen would play at an MVP level for two consecutive seasons they were crazy.  

 

As for Allen's play this year and looking at his stats, I would suggest he is playing at an elite but not at an MVP level:

 

Passing:  70.3% completion rate; 2139 yards; 15 TD's & 5 INT's and a QB rating of 105.7

 

Rushing:  311 yards; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

 

Total Offensive Output:  2450 yards; 22 TD's & 7 TO's.  He's on pace here for a season with 4626 total yards; 41 TD's & 13 TO's.

 

So yes, obtaining a true WR1 in the off season should have been a high priority for Bean.  Allen's performance to date supports the idea that adding a WR1 over the summer would have resulted in the Bills being in a much better place then they are now.

 

 

 

 

and what WR1 was moved this past offseason do you suggest we should have acquired? Cuz last I checked the only one you could say was acquired was Diggs that many felt New England over paid based on his injury status and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be signing here. 

[Cuboirs]

13 minutes ago, noacls17 said:

Thank God Miami sd no, they saved Beane from himself. A 1st for waddle would have been a tragedy. 

Waddle is worth 2 1st on our team 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

and what WR1 was moved this past offseason do you suggest we should have acquired? Cuz last I checked the only one you could say was acquired was Diggs that many felt New England over paid based on his injury status and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be signing here. 

Off the top of my head Devante Adams comes to mind as does George Pickens.  While on some teams either guy might not be a true #1 on the Bills they absolutely would have been.

 

And if you couldn't pull that off Bean could have gone after a CB in FA and moved up in the draft to grab a #1 WR.  Egbuka, who Tampa took at #19 would have fit the bill.

 

Sure these moves all would have been crap shoots.  But with Allen at the peak of his career it seems that WR is exactly where you roll the dice.

 

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Off the top of my head Devante Adams comes to mind as does George Pickens.  While on some teams either guy might not be a true #1 on the Bills they absolutely would have been.

 

And if you couldn't pull that off Bean could have gone after a CB in FA and moved up in the draft to grab a #1 WR.  Egbuka, who Tampa took at #19 would have fit the bill.

 

Sure these moves all would have been crap shoots.  But with Allen at the peak of his career it seems that WR is exactly where you roll the dice.

 

 

 

 

Also Metcalf.  But you are arguing with State Media.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Off the top of my head Devante Adams comes to mind as does George Pickens.  While on some teams either guy might not be a true #1 on the Bills they absolutely would have been.

 

And if you couldn't pull that off Bean could have gone after a CB in FA and moved up in the draft to grab a #1 WR.  Egbuka, who Tampa took at #19 would have fit the bill.

 

Sure these moves all would have been crap shoots.  But with Allen at the peak of his career it seems that WR is exactly where you roll the dice.

 

 

 

 

and yet Adams and Pickens are playing #2 on their respective teams. Maybe they're producing so well cuz they aren't drawing team's number 1 CB. Egubka's numbers look great but remember Mike Evans and Chris Godwin have been hurt most of this season. Also what picks/players you giving up to get in position to get Egbuka? 

 

We rolled the dice on Palmer and just when it looked like we were going to use him he goes down with an injury. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

and yet Adams and Pickens are playing #2 on their respective teams. Maybe they're producing so well cuz they aren't drawing team's number 1 CB. Egubka's numbers look great but remember Mike Evans and Chris Godwin have been hurt most of this season. Also what picks/players you giving up to get in position to get Egbuka? 

 

We rolled the dice on Palmer and just when it looked like we were going to use him he goes down with an injury. 

Fair enough.  But on the Bills they would have been number ones and at minimum would have exerted a Cooper effect but with the benefit of an entire off season to acclimate to Brady & Allen.  It's hard not to believe that any one of these3 guys would have significantly improved the Bills WR situation.

 

I like the Palmer signing and think it should have still happened even if they made other moves to land the WR's I mentioned. 

 

 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

I don't think he was sitting around waiting for a phone call, I think he called around about all of those WR but he clearly focused on Waddle and Williams or at least that's what he put out to the media because several of the big name anylysts/reporters have reported it so maybe I'm wording something wrong I'm not sure because I never said he never talked to any other team I just think his main focus was on those 2 and in focusing on them lost out on the others maybe that is better wording? 

Yes. That wording is better. Personally I think he missed out because he values his precious draft picks too much. Especially the first and second rounders that he misses on far more than he should.

Edited 2 hours ago by Rousseauisnoschmo

[dave mcbride]

43 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed.

 

I also dont understand why Beane is so protective of his early picks. It’s not like he is great at them.

His best first round pick outside of Allen (admittedly, a historically great pick) is Stefon Diggs.  The others: Terrell Edmunds, Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau, Kair Elam, Dalton Kincaid, and Maxwell Hairston. I'd include Keon Coleman here too even though he wasn't technically a first rounder. Waddle is better than all of them, although Kincaid and Oliver are very good players (when healthy). Rousseau is good too. Too early to tell on Hairston. 

[Goin Breakdown]

All I'm saying is that whoever the Bills pick with their 1st this year better be more valuable than waddle could have been. That picks goes to a WR or I'm calling a bluff that they even made this offer. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

All I'm saying is that whoever the Bills pick with their 1st this year better be more valuable than waddle could have been. That picks goes to a WR or I'm calling a bluff that they even made this offer. 

Don't underestimate the value of another D lineman for the rotation or an undersized LB who is a tacking machine from the ACC or Big 12.

 

 

[BillMafia716ix]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Every human being, no matter how elite in their field, will exhibit a range in their performance over time.  if Bean/McD/Brady thought Allen would play at an MVP level for two consecutive seasons they were crazy.  

 

As for Allen's play this year and looking at his stats, I would suggest he is playing at an elite but not at an MVP level:

 

Passing:  70.3% completion rate; 2139 yards; 15 TD's & 5 INT's and a QB rating of 105.7

 

Rushing:  311 yards; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles

 

Total Offensive Output:  2450 yards; 22 TD's & 7 TO's.  He's on pace here for a season with 4626 total yards; 41 TD's & 13 TO's.

 

So yes, obtaining a true WR1 in the off season should have been a high priority for Bean.  Allen's performance to date supports the idea that adding a WR1 over the summer would have resulted in the Bills being in a much better place then they are now.

 

 

 

 

Josh not throwing the ball down the field so the completion percentage and rating numbers are a bit skewed. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Don't underestimate the value of another D lineman for the rotation or an undersized LB who is a tacking machine from the ACC or Big 12.

 

 

Expect both to end up on IR…

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, noacls17 said:

Thank God Miami sd no, they saved Beane from himself. A 1st for waddle would have been a tragedy. 

 

There isn't a single 1st round pick Beane has made, other than his first one, that I wouldn't trade for Waddle right now. The position is THAT important and it's not like he's found any superstars with those picks.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Josh not throwing the ball down the field so the completion percentage and rating numbers are a bit skewed. 

wrong

 

17th aka dead league average in intented air yards/attempt