4th and 17

[PoundingDog]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Sure but if we are calling a TO and then the next play one of their studs is wide open then wtf is going on with the scheme and plan there

Well, I was surprised that the Chiefs were going for it , to be honest. I was not at the stadium but maybe the players were surprised and were getting off the field? In that case, a timeout maybe necessary, just like the timeout call before the half that stopped the Chiefs from scoring a TD, which, had they scored a TD, it would be blamed on McDermott for the timeout. 

 

I don't agree with the strategy of playing coverage, but I would certainly blame on player execution. All-22 probably would tell us more. On Bosa though, I think he should know he made a mistake. It's 4th and 17. Converting that on a screen is a very very low possibility vs Mahome passing downfield. 

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

Well, I was surprised that the Chiefs were going for it , to be honest. I was not at the stadium but maybe the players were surprised and were getting off the field? In that case, a timeout maybe necessary, just like the timeout call before the half that stopped the Chiefs from scoring a TD, which, had they scored a TD, it would be blamed on McDermott for the timeout. 

 

I don't agree with the strategy of playing coverage, but I would certainly blame on player execution. All-22 probably would tell us more. On Bosa though, I think he should know he made a mistake. It's 4th and 17. Converting that on a screen is a very very low possibility vs Mahome passing downfield. 

Bosa definitely knew he made a mistake and appeared frustrated with himself. 

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, todd said:

Can Bills fans be hapthe tiepy for a great win for a few days, or do people need to be terminally miserable?

 

there were a few callers on WGR post game griping about that play.    We just had a huge win as home dogs over the hot streaking Chiefs, own the tiebreaker and dudes are harping on why we gave up a 4th and 17.   Poor bastards, they're cursed to never really feel joy.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

I do not freaking understand how somebody in the organization isn't crawling up his ass about his insistence on bailing teams out of their own chaos over and over and over again. I don't hate him but that single issue means that if I ever sit next to him on a plane, he's going to punch me for sure.

Was that one of the plays where there were alignment/communication issues? It’s all a blur lol. Not that he hasn’t called a timeout to draw something up that didn’t work before though anyway 😂

[PoundingDog]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Bosa definitely knew he made a mistake and appeared frustrated with himself. 

I'm not absolving the coaching entirely. I just don't know who. Mistakes like Bosa made certainly make Bills defensive coaches look bad. Monday thru Saturdays' the coaches should prepare players about all situations. Defending 4th and very long should be on the list, especially for Chiefs. Know the situation, and know what to expect. 

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Was that one of the plays where there were alignment/communication issues? It’s all a blur lol. Not that he hasn’t called a timeout to draw something up that didn’t work before though anyway 😂

 

The preparation issue forced him into 2-3 over the course of both halves, but there's been so many of them that you're 100% correct that it's becoming a blur.

And you can also add in yet another in the 2nd half where he insists on rescuing an opponent from themselves on a crucial down. The man is clearly a true and generous sportsman.

[gobills404]

Could’ve been an easy sack but the pass protection was so bad that Bosa (bottom of the screen) didn’t know what to think of it lol

 

[Buffalo ill]

21 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Poor bastards, they're cursed to never really feel joy

This had the feeling of a lower stakes "13 seconds". 

 

Last afccg broke me, the last straw if you will.  I won't feel "joy" until the Bills beat KC in the playoffs.

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And how did the game end?

 

BTW...Bosa had a good game.... except that play. He was chipped and left unblocked...and promptly forgot how to run. He froze.if he bears down on the rush he plants Mahomes in the turf ...or hurries that throw.

It looked like he was looking for a screen or trick play.

Why aren’t they blocking me ?

[Old Coot]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

As for the 4th and 17, I said it in the game thread. That play was completely on Bernard. The Bills had a great call defensively and Kelce ran a seam route. I think it was Lewis on him but he was in Kelces hip pocket. 
 

Bernard for whatever reason felt he needed help and vacated his area to go double Kelce while Rice slipped right in behind him wide open for the first down. If Bernard stays put and gets more depth than there has to be a hell of a catch and throw there 

I think Bernard let Kelce get away from him on that long completion to Kelce.

[PepeSilvia]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You mean like 40-9 last week?

An Andy dalton led Carolina panthers 40-9 resignates with you?

[Bill51390]

Bosa should have released its 4th and 17 and kept at Mahomes. But that clearly wasn’t the only issue that play. 

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

An Andy dalton led Carolina panthers 40-9 resignates with you?

You asked if we will ever have a win where we weren’t biting our nails.  There was one.  Now we’re going to qualify wins based on specific players?  

[Buffalo Ballin]

6 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

It’s one thing that we couldn’t hold them on 4th and 17. I fully expected that. It’s the fact that McD wasted a timeout to draw up a play and the receiver was still WIDE open in the middle of the field.

McD is still a mental midget for that one and Bernard looks over the hill and over the moon on that play.

Edited 10 hours ago by Buffalo Ballin

[Neo]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I do not freaking understand how somebody in the organization isn't crawling up his ass about his insistence on bailing teams out of their own chaos over and over and over again. I don't hate him but that single issue means that if I ever sit next to him on a plane, he's going to punch me for sure.

 

“bailing them out of their own chaos” is perfect.   He takes time to think.   He correspondingly gives Reid time to think.   Reid thinks better.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Bosa's controller froze there

🤣 I thought maybe he was expecting Mahomes to scramble so he preemptively switched to contain mode. Just took a gamble and it didn't pay off obviously 

[UKBillFan]

It was all on Bosa. He had a great game otherwise but that was an awful play. You have a free run to the QB - take it.

[machine gun kelly]

9 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hairston changed the dynamic of this defense. 
 

Bosa played out of his mind.

 

front 4 were great all day except….

 

4th and 17 and the defense gives up 29 yards….

 

Of course mahommes goes to lead a td drive and why wouldn’t a bills kicker miss a game tying/putting game out of reach fg?

We play that type of game against the past SB appearance, and you throw this up.  Hmmm.  How about Josh looked like Josh, Cook played well, the TEs killed it, the defensive line played fantastic, and as you state Hairston played well.  Milano and Bernard played a solid game.  Benford did well.  I can keep going.  Moore finally caught one downfield for 28 yards.  I guess I’ll just focus on the 100 positive things vs. the one missed assignment.

[Dafan]

I think Bosa was a lil confused lol.  He was totally unblocked.  He could have just totally chased down Kermit and slammed him like Miss Piggy.  Then all of a sudden stops and starts running back.  Totally think he was dumbfounded by not being blocked whatsoever, and thought it was a ***** up and vacated.

[RkFast]

Yeah that play sucked and Bills should have done better on it but Im not losing sleep over the fact that one of the best QBs ever on one of the best teams ever coached by one of the best offensive coaches ever was successful on one big play against the Bills.  
 

Simpler…It’s  the Chiefs.  Sooner or later they were gonna get theirs.  

Edited 7 hours ago by RkFast