Bills Don't have Receiver Problem, they have a perception problem-- Jim Kubiak BN

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Kelce would have recognized it was an all out blitz because he’s a cagey veteran. He probably would have cut his route short and made himself available and no heroic dive would have been necessary. I’ve seen him do it a hundred times.

Along the same line, Mahomes would’ve also recognized it and sent protection that way. It was not just an issue with Kincaid. Allen was fooled as well. 

[harryS]

Here's the article de-paywalled: https://archive.is/apPis

 

Is it worth reading if, according to thread title, the main argument is that we don't have a WR problem?  That's up to you.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Along the same line, Mahomes would’ve also recognized it and sent protection that way. It was not just an issue with Kincaid. Allen was fooled as well. 

Mahomes sack rate was more than double Allen's last yr

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean...this was the plan as far as the offense goes. it doesn't look the way it does by accident

 

but i also don't understand people who think there's some untapped potential there. it's honestly one of the worst pass catching groups i can recall 

It's approaching the 2011 Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones, David Nelson, Naaman Roosevelt, Brad Smith, Ruvell Martin level. 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

2 playoff appearances with 1 AFC Championship= 50% 

 

7 playoff appearances with 0 AFC Championships = 0%

 

Unless just getting to the playoffs is the goal (which it really shouldn't be for an organization). 

Cincy also made it to the AFCCG both times too. I’d definitely take their results over the Bills’ results with 7 playoff appearances and no Super Bowl appearance. 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Mahomes sack rate was more than double Allen's last yr

Of course. They had terrible LT play and virtually no receivers. I’m sure someone that pays attention as much as you do is aware of  that. 
 

They also beat us, again, to get to another Super Bowl. 

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It's fine to be run-first, but outside of one quarter of one game, they haven't even shown that they CAN pass if they HAVE TO.  Whatever, we'll find out in a few days about that.

I hear you but I think the problem is more scheme and the fact that we are missing a piece. Talent wise things are obviously not ideal but I do think that what we have can be serviceable enough if they find a credible downfield threat and Brady opens things up route wise/play design.

For arguments sake if they trade for Shaheen we know where he lines up. Why not move Coleman to the slot and Shakir the Z? 

[Pete]

14 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

It's approaching the 2011 Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones, David Nelson, Naaman Roosevelt, Brad Smith, Ruvell Martin level. 

Stevie would be our #1 WR.  He’d be a WR other teams need to pay attention too.  We are lacking WRs who get the same respect 

[boyst]

https://archive.is/20251030132434/https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/article_efc2cd6d-144e-48fd-91c2-2e1997a5017e.html
for those who wish to read it.

[ngbills]

And maybe, just maybe, you add better WR's not only is the run even more successful but also have a dominant passing attack when needed. Maybe that makes the team a Super Bowl team, not just a playoff team. Or should they not want better WR's because then playoffs are good enough? So tired of the we dont need WR's talk. Its ok to admit we do and just say will there have not been a lot options, but we are trying.

[DapperCam]

36 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Along the same line, Mahomes would’ve also recognized it and sent protection that way. It was not just an issue with Kincaid. Allen was fooled as well. 

Importantly Mahomes doesn't have to face Spags. Everybody after the game said that was a really unusual blitz that went against what they did the entire game, and they had several bluffs beforehand to keep Allen guessing.

[chris heff]

There was a QB, can’t remember his name, mostly threw slants to slot WRs, also threw to TE. Only had one great outside receiver. Played for a long time, won a lot.

[90sBills]

18 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Importantly Mahomes doesn't have to face Spags. Everybody after the game said that was a really unusual blitz that went against what they did the entire game, and they had several bluffs beforehand to keep Allen guessing.

Spags is all time that’s for sure. That was also a great timely blitz. But think about it logically. What did you want our guys to say? They got outsmarted so just tip your hat to the opposition. 

4 minutes ago, chris heff said:

There was a QB, can’t remember his name, mostly threw slants to slot WRs, also threw to TE. Only had one great outside receiver. Played for a long time, won a lot.

That qb also benefited from some all time defenses. Even with that he had to deflate the ball a little so it’d fit his hands. 

[Blank Stare]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Greg Roman has now designed two consecutive very good pass offenses in Baltimore and LAC

I’d be willing to listen on this iteration of the chargers, but this has been the bugaboo with Roman for years. Got him fired in Buffalo and Baltimore. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Who said Allen sucked in the 1st half and was great in the 2nd half?  No one that I know of.  I said he sucked in the 1st half but played quite a bit better in the 2nd half.  It's just shocking to me the number of people who fail to admit Allen IS currently part of the problem.  Regardless of the surrounding circumstances, he isn't playing good football right now and I'm quite sure he'd admit that behind closed doors as well.  

 

 

Again, what does "suck"mean to you? Because the way you throw the term around it means something very different to me.  Here's what a QB whose performance sucks looks like to me:

 

Fields:  9 - 17 - 45 yrds

Taylor:  10 - 22 - 126 yards - 2 INT

Ward:  10 - 26 - 108 yards - 1 INT

Young: 18 - 35 - 154 yards - 1 lost fumble

McCarthy: 11 - 21 - 158 yards - 2 INT - 1 lost fumble

Flaco: 16 - 34 - 184 yards - 2 INT - 1 lost fumble.

 

Show the Allen game this season where he has even come close to these games? And this is just a sample of the sucky QB play of 2025.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by CincyBillsFan

[abranovi]

I only read 3 pages but when the refs decide to start calling holding on those outside toss plays then the offense is going to be in deep doo doo 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

 

To answer your question, It's become comical that almost no one has the stones to ever say a bad thing about Allen.  No way can the all mighty Josh Allen play poorly without it having to do with other circumstances.  It's just crazy to me.  I've talked to fans of other teams who have noticed that it's almost an unspoken rule, you aren't allowed to criticize Allen in the media or in public.  He hasn't played good football this season. He IS NOT the biggest part of the problem but he IS a part of it.  He isn't seeing the field well, he's bailing clean pockets far too quickly, and he has regressed with this footwork.  Again, I'm sure he would admit that behind closed doors as well.  He has proven that he is good enough to bounce back from this type of funk as he has done so many times in the past.  I expect him to show up and play better Sunday.  

Frankly this sounds like you have a personal beef with Allen. Who refers to him as the "all mighty Allen"?  And Allen receives way more then his fair care of criticism on 2BD so what the hell are you talking about?

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

I’d be willing to listen on this iteration of the chargers, but this has been the bugaboo with Roman for years. Got him fired in Buffalo and Baltimore. 

Ravens pass offense was extremely efficient, they 'fired' him for productivity imo

 

Buffalo he was saddled w tyrod iirc

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

No, Jim. We indeed have a receiver problem. No one can get open, which also forces us to turn to the run. I fear that soon that will lead to a RB problem  because Cook is taking a lot of hits and we have no capable RB behind him to take some of the early season wear and tear off.

 

We are one dimensional with the most gifted QB on Earth. It's like taking the tires off a Ferrari and replacing them with sandbags.

Cook is not taking a lot of hits especially as a running back 

 

I don't think I've seen him get hit hard once in 3 years he knows how to avoid hard contact where he's the nail

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Mahomes sack rate was more than double Allen's last yr

His offensive line was a million times worse.  It was a jailbreak from opposing defensive ends the majority of the season.

 

Allen hasn’t been handling the blitz (mentally) as well this year.  It’s not JUST the WRs not getting open.  It’s also that Josh doesn’t trust any of his WRs…. But some blame goes to Josh.  It’s ok to admit it.  He needs to be better deciphering the blitz and adjust accordingly 

[GoBills808]

Just now, NewEra said:

His offensive line was a million times worse.  It was a jailbreak from opposing defensive ends the majority of the season.

 

Allen hasn’t been handling the blitz (mentally) as well this year.  It’s not JUST the WRs not getting open.  It’s also that Josh doesn’t trust any of his WRs…. But some blame goes to Josh.  It’s ok to admit it.  He needs to be better deciphering the blitz and adjust accordingly 

So when Mahomes gets sacked it's because his oline is bad and when Allen does it's because he didn't adjust protection?