2025 Edition Trade Deadline Deals

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Why would you want phillips.  He is always hurt, has an expiring contract and was super expensive at the cost of a 3rd round pick.

 

Also that deal was like a sweetheart deal for Phillips.  He had his best year under fangio and can step right in with philly play right away and know the defense.

He’s basically Hoecht. Did you see how active Hoecht was yesterday . I don’t remember our defense looking like that this year. Phillips gets pressure on QBs, is tough against the run and is a physical presence.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Where in the hell do the Iggles find the cap space?

 

Every year they trade for a big name or two. 

 

Staggered void years, and an always increasing salary cap.  They also have a ton of defensive players on rookie deals right now - Carter, Davis, Dejean, Mitchell, Campbell, Blankenship.  The reason they add phillips though?  That super young defense hasn't been very good.  

Just now, HamptonBillsfan said:

He’s basically Hoecht. Did you see how active Hoecht was yesterday . I don’t remember our defense looking like that this year. Phillips gets pressure on QBs, is tough against the run and is a physical presence.

 

I've never seen Phillips line up standing at the 1T and loop.  He's an edge rusher.  They brought in phillips because they aren't getting enough from Uche, and they brought graham back out of retirement because they knew they needed edge pressure.  

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, CirclnWagons said:

My thoughts exactly. I’ve heard Beane go on for years about refusing to mortgage our future and I get the concern but also understand that we have a once in a generation QB who isn’t getting any younger and a divisional foe who might have finally caught if not surpassed us in talent. If Beane can’t swing at least one meaningful addition here, it’ll be another year of depending on Josh to put on the Superman cape and do everything himself and another early exit in an otherwise wide open AFC. 

Pats have not passed us on talent, it’s not even close.  We have the better QB, WR room, RB room, TE Room, and OL.  Literally better at every position on offense and their defense is nothing special either.  They are more desperate for a WR than we are.
 

Yes they beat us, because we beat ourselves.  We will win by double digits next game against them.

 

That being said, team on the rise for sure and Maye is what I said he was in the draft, the best QB on the class and tending towards being a franchise QB for rest of Allen’s career.  So they could over take us in talent at some point, but they haven’t this season.  

Edited 7 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Staggered void years, and an always increasing salary cap.  They also have a ton of defensive players on rookie deals right now - Carter, Davis, Dejean, Mitchell, Campbell, Blankenship.  The reason they add phillips though?  That super young defense hasn't been very good.  

I think the Eagles have like 400+ million in void money spread out from 2026 to 2033. It’s like the Saints situation but more spread out. They are banking on Several things. One is ***** it win now while you have the talent and two the increase in the cap will make it less of a hit. It also unlike the Saints situation is very hard to get out from under in just a year or two (like you can’t take massive dead cap hits over 1-2 years to get out from under void years). So the bill will come due but how much of an impact is unknown?

 

Most teams have about 20-100 million in future void years for reference. So it’s not something teams do the same degree as the Eagles 

[JAMIEBUF12]

I don't get how the Eagles always have the resources to grab all the players they need every season for their playoff/superbowl load up?

i mean they are paying their qb,wr,rb big contracts....

GO BILLS

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

I think the Eagles have like 400+ million in void money spread out from 2026 to 2033. It’s like the Saints situation but more spread out. They are banking on Several things. One is ***** it win now while you have the talent and two the increase in the cap will make it less of a hit. It also unlike the Saints situation is very hard to get out from under in just a year or two (like you can’t take massive dead cap hits over 1-2 years to get out from under void years). So the bill will come due but how much of an impact is unknown?

 

Most teams have about 20-100 million in future void years for reference. So it’s not something teams do the same degree as the Eagles 

 

They've hit on a couple drafts here in a row too so the defense is very young.  The thing with the "option" year format the eagles use though is that when you want to dump a player, there's usually an excess of dead money associated with doing so.  So you kinda have to keep extending the same group, or pay the piper.  

 

The other option they have with tiny base salaries is trades, which when you draft so well can definitely help replenish the roster with young talent.  

[billsfan89]

3 minutes ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

I don't get how the Eagles always have the resources to grab all the players they need every season for their playoff/superbowl load up?

i mean they are paying their qb,wr,rb big contracts....

GO BILLS

They have 400 million in void years from 2026-2033. They have borrowed from Peter to pay Paul so to speak. And they keep adding to it too. It’s counting on future cap increases to ease that burden 

[Low Positive]

Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

They've hit on a couple drafts here in a row too so the defense is very young.  The thing with the "option" year format the eagles use though is that when you want to dump a player, there's usually an excess of dead money associated with doing so.  So you kinda have to keep extending the same group, or pay the piper.  

 

The other option they have with tiny base salaries is trades, which when you draft so well can definitely help replenish the roster with young talent.  

It also takes an owner willing to pay MASSIVE upfront signing bonuses. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

I don't get how the Eagles always have the resources to grab all the players they need every season for their playoff/superbowl load up?

i mean they are paying their qb,wr,rb big contracts....

GO BILLS

 

They are not paying big contracts to 

 

Carter

Davis

Campbell

Smith

Hunt

Mitchell

Dejean

Blankenship

Mukuba

Just now, Low Positive said:

It also takes an owner willing to pay MASSIVE upfront signing bonuses. 

 

Kinda...? Theres usually a big bonus up front, then they stagger "option" bonuses which stack void years every year.  So your 5 year deal is spread over 10.  The challenge comes if you aren't on the roster in year 6 - then all the staggered money you paid out hits the cap at once.  

[BCAS Baritone]

Anybody on the Commandoes worth pursuing?  Their season is basically over with after losing Daniels.  Scary Terry not a realistic option with the new contract he just signed.

[SCBills]

I’m pretty much fine if we trade away both Day 2 picks as long as a WR is a long term investment.

 

Beane seems to be solid in Round 1 and is very good on Day 3.  Day 2, meh. 
 

If we don’t trade for a WR, we’re likely drafting one.  So if a pick brings back a guy we plan on extending.  I’m good with it. 
 

Then offer a 3rd for a DE rental. 
 

With Bishop, Hancock, Walker.. we’ll see about Sanders, Hairston looking like hits.. OL, LB, DL & WR are the needs for next year depending on extension and WR could be taken care of right now. 

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’m pretty much fine if we trade away both Day 2 picks as long as a WR is a long term investment.

 

Beane seems to be solid in Round 1 and is very good on Day 3.  Day 2, meh. 
 

If we don’t trade for a WR, we’re likely drafting one.  So if a pick brings back a guy we plan on extending.  I’m good with it. 
 

Then offer a 3rd for a DE rental. 
 

With Bishop, Hancock, Walker.. we’ll see about Sanders, Hairston looking like hits.. OL, LB, DL & WR are the needs for next year depending on extension and WR could be taken care of right now. 

We took a MASSIVE hit losing Hoecht yesterday. Gone for the season. beane will have to make a move.

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, BCAS Baritone said:

Anybody on the Commandoes worth pursuing?  Their season is basically over with after losing Daniels.  Scary Terry not a realistic option with the new contract he just signed.

 

Bobby Wagner?   Anyone in their DL rotation? 

[Dillenger4]

26 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

He’s basically Hoecht. Did you see how active Hoecht was yesterday . I don’t remember our defense looking like that this year. Phillips gets pressure on QBs, is tough against the run and is a physical presence.

Hoecht WAS our defense yesterday. He was the reason Bosa and groot had any pressure. They doubled Hoecht a lot and he still made a corruption impact! Losing him yesterday is massive. It wrecked the win for me.

I hope Beane makes a deal today somehow.

My spidy phone is telling me to watch out for a trade with the Giants and Bills. Sexy Dex? hmmmm

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

34 minutes ago, boyst said:

Congratulations guys. No one posted one of the stupid tweets that says "interested," or "taking calls," or "making calls." 

 

It's amazing how some dbag wants attention and posts something.

 

Examples:

BarfBooger420 on Twitter:

"Bills interested in WR's, would like to acquire Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Jerry Rice, or Da'Rick Rodgers." 

 

Splooge6969 NFL Insider:

" Multiple teams calling around asking for price of Justin Simmons, Rasheed Shaheed. Teams needing help: Bills, Patriots, Steelers."

 

It's annoying as *****. 

The NFL trade clickbait articles this year have been at an all-time high. Been really annoying to me, as well.

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Bobby Wagner?   Anyone in their DL rotation? 

I think Franki Luvu could fit into the Hoecht role tomorrow.  Little less power than Hoecht but brings the juice.  29 so not a core piece for the future for them.  

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

I don't get how the Eagles always have the resources to grab all the players they need every season for their playoff/superbowl load up?

i mean they are paying their qb,wr,rb big contracts....

GO BILLS

They’re mortgaging more of their future to win now.  I wish Beane would do that.  Just sucks that whoever we get will probably just get hurt, like most of our key signings.  

18 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Hoecht WAS our defense yesterday. He was the reason Bosa and groot had any pressure. They doubled Hoecht a lot and he still made a corruption impact! Losing him yesterday is massive. It wrecked the win for me.

 

 

He was very good and I’m crushed by his loss, but this statement couldn’t be further from the truth.  He was great….but Bosa was a monster.  Rousseau was winning, bishop was a demon, cam Lewis played very solid, Hairston had the clamps on, epenesa created pressure.  The dl as a whole, dominated.  They stayed disciplined and stayed in their rush lanes and overwhelmed Mahomes. He had nowhere to go most of the night
 

as good as he was, he wasn’t the only reason those guys were winning.  He helped 💯 

[HamptonBillsfan]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Pats have not passed us on talent, it’s not even close.  We have the better QB, WR room, RB room, TE Room, and OL.  Literally better at every position on offense and their defense is nothing special either.  They are more desperate for a WR than we are.
 

Yes they beat us, because we beat ourselves.  We will win by double digits next game against them.

 

That being said, team on the rise for sure and Maye is what I said he was in the draft, the best QB on the class and tending towards being a franchise QB for rest of Allen’s career.  So they could over take us in talent at some point, but they haven’t this season.  

I agree with some of what you referenced but it’s a little unsettling how many productive players NE brought in with their draft and in FAs. Their WR room has been excellent( clearly more productive than ours)and their TEs(Hooper and Henry) are as good as any. The question you need to concern yourself with is not the talent level comparison this year but are you confident we will be able to supplement the elite skill position players going forward. I’m not, Beane has been a disappointment with personnel for the last 3years. Now, at a time when additional talent needs to be added( vertical receiver, secondary(safety and cornerback) and Defensive tackle) it’s coming down to 24 hours before the deadline and our tongues are hanging out waiting for something to happen.

[Dillenger4]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They’re mortgaging more of their future to win now.  I wish Beane would do that.  Just sucks that whoever we get will probably just get hurt, like most of our key signings.  

He was very good and I’m crushed by his loss, but this statement couldn’t be further from the truth.  He was great….but Bosa was a monster.  Rousseau was winning, bishop was a demon, cam Lewis played very solid, Hairston had the clamps on, epenesa created pressure.  The dl as a whole, dominated.  They stayed disciplined and stayed in their rush lanes and overwhelmed Mahomes. He had nowhere to go most of the night
 

as good as he was, he wasn’t the only reason those guys were winning.  He helped 💯 

True - but look at what happened right after Hoecht went out. Our D was back giving us heart attacks. They said it on the broadcast - Hoecht was the doubled man, his loss was significant. This is a massive loss. beane will make a move because now we know what it could be.....

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

True - but look at what happened right after Hoecht went out. Our D was back giving us heart attacks. They said it on the broadcast - Hoecht was the doubled man, his loss was significant. This is a massive loss. beane will make a move because now we know what it could be.....

 

Unless whatever is out there isn't going to replace Hoecht.