What's wrong with Josh?

[jaybeezee]

2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Well I will say this after my rewatch of the first half of Panthers game: 

 

-Allen left some obvious options on the table. He continues to bail early from the pocket and doesn’t seem to be working through entire progressions.

 

-Brady’s scheme is questionable, in that often times we’re running two man concepts with a max protect into 7 defenders…or we’re running a two man concept both within 3 yards of the LOS. 
 

- Guys were open, or had a chance at times to get the ball, and Josh is opting to look elsewhere or scramble. 
 

- Zones seem to be giving this team the most trouble, despite what everyone has to say about our issues with man coverage. We are not finding holes in the zone (Brady, Allen, and WRs aren’t in synch). 
 

- The average depth of completion in that half had to be a career low for Allen. The only downfield throw was the 22 yarder to Kincaid in man, 

 

My take away from that half reaffirmed what I’ve thought: Allen’s mentality has shifted in large part to many factors: limited opportunity due to scheme knowing game flow dictate he play it safe, not trusting WRs to win and is looking for clearly open players (or Kincaid who he trusts).

 

I don’t think adding any WR at this point is going to fix what the issue is: to me it has to be a combined effort to revamp the effort to push the ball down the field, trusting his guys, and drawing up some better route combinations against zones. 

I can agree with your statement.  I also put blame on Josh as well. I saw plenty of opportunities with guys ppen on slant routes several times and if he hit them, they would have gained another 5-10 yards 

Just now, jaybeezee said:

I can agree with your statement.  I also put blame on Josh as well. I saw plenty of opportunities with guys ppen on slant routes several times and if he hit them, they would have gained another 5-10 yards 

My problem with Josh right now is he's gotta know this, as this is been happening now for the last 4 games.  Why can't he fix this problem? 

2 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I can agree with your statement.  I also put blame on Josh as well. I saw plenty of opportunities with guys ppen on slant routes several times and if he hit them, they would have gained another 5-10 yards 

My problem with Josh right now is he's gotta know this, as this is been happening now for the last 4 games.  Why can't he fix this problem? It's all on the tape. He's also not reading blitzing either.  

 

[Scott7975]

Beane didn't give him anything to work with and McD broke the dog in him. Other than Shakir, this team is full of #4s. You can see the dog broken by how hesitant he is to run with the football. I started seeing and commenting on this last year. You can also hear it when he has said 3 times now that its no longer superbowl or bust and that they have no expectations this season other than just play football.

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Pete said:

Keon has been reprimanded a couple times.  Keon is the least professional Bills DNA player in the locker room imo.  He’s young, so there’s time for maturity to kick in.   But with all of the love and support and experience and success in the locker room I’m surprised that Keon hasn’t grown up by now.

 

I thought playing time was earned.  Landon will tell you that.  Why does McD reward Keon with playing time when he’s not doing well on or off the field?  And to give Keon the most minutes is confounding.  It has to be for his blocking.

 

who else is there..Shavers has been pretty bad..and I don't think we have any other reasonable WR on practice squad.

[DrPJax]

       Not sure if it was mentioned but Orlovsky did his weekly appearance w tasker and brown where they asked him about Josh. Orlovsky was very honest and stated Josh has not played well approximately the last 4 games.  He is missing easy throws , missing open receivers,  his scrambling looks off where he is usually dangerous in that way.  It was a very frank , honest assessment coming from an analyst that could get dropped if he offends the regime, but he didn’t hold back. He did say the WRs are not threatening really to anyone. But he was firm he expected better play from last years mvp.  
     On the other hand he remarked how good Mahomes is playing and looks to be in SB OR prior good form. Our O does  not have a defining personality outside running cook , and that was almost exclusively toss pitch runs the last game.  KC once again is coming up with innovative plays , and they have a multitude of receivers who bring different threats the bills will have to find ways to cope with.  They have speed, speed plus strength ( rice) , thorton stretching the field , Hollywood brown with speed and experience, and of course Kelce.   Hunt will still be able to run with pichecko out.   Basically , bills will have to score over 32 to beat the chiefs , or teams like the colts , bronchos , and KC come playoff time according to Orlovsky.  He and tasker both ended saying we have to score on most possessions to keep up with KC and have a chance to win this week.  Neither sounded enthusiastic, but the main point is Josh is not playing well despite what he says regarding certain passes. The wr corp is poor at getting open but Josh looks out of sync.  
     Cower stated the same while on the SHOUT podcast but of course believes in Mcd etc. Matt bove along w Howard Simon and Joe buscaglia all feel the wr corp needs an addition, w. Howard being especially critical. They feel KC is a critical game for the season. Beane obviously didn’t make any moves in time for KC regarding the WRs , so I wouldn’t see the point trading if we lose. Pats just have such an easy schedule.  Hard to feel positive playing KC as right now Josh and Mahomes look to be playing at different levels; if Palmer doesn’t play ( Orlovsky thinks he is important) and spags neutralizes cook , it’s could be season changing for the Bills. 

[Pete]

39 minutes ago, ganesh said:

who else is there..Shavers has been pretty bad..and I don't think we have any other reasonable WR on practice squad.

That’s why we are years late from adding a quality WR.  WR seems like Beanes least priority out every position, besides kicker, imo

[BananaB]

26 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

       Not sure if it was mentioned but Orlovsky did his weekly appearance w tasker and brown where they asked him about Josh. Orlovsky was very honest and stated Josh has not played well approximately the last 4 games.  He is missing easy throws , missing open receivers,  his scrambling looks off where he is usually dangerous in that way.  It was a very frank , honest assessment coming from an analyst that could get dropped if he offends the regime, but he didn’t hold back. He did say the WRs are not threatening really to anyone. But he was firm he expected better play from last years mvp.  
     On the other hand he remarked how good Mahomes is playing and looks to be in SB OR prior good form. Our O does  not have a defining personality outside running cook , and that was almost exclusively toss pitch runs the last game.  KC once again is coming up with innovative plays , and they have a multitude of receivers who bring different threats the bills will have to find ways to cope with.  They have speed, speed plus strength ( rice) , thorton stretching the field , Hollywood brown with speed and experience, and of course Kelce.   Hunt will still be able to run with pichecko out.   Basically , bills will have to score over 32 to beat the chiefs , or teams like the colts , bronchos , and KC come playoff time according to Orlovsky.  He and tasker both ended saying we have to score on most possessions to keep up with KC and have a chance to win this week.  Neither sounded enthusiastic, but the main point is Josh is not playing well despite what he says regarding certain passes. The wr corp is poor at getting open but Josh looks out of sync.  
     Cower stated the same while on the SHOUT podcast but of course believes in Mcd etc. Matt bove along w Howard Simon and Joe buscaglia all feel the wr corp needs an addition, w. Howard being especially critical. They feel KC is a critical game for the season. Beane obviously didn’t make any moves in time for KC regarding the WRs , so I wouldn’t see the point trading if we lose. Pats just have such an easy schedule.  Hard to feel positive playing KC as right now Josh and Mahomes look to be playing at different levels; if Palmer doesn’t play ( Orlovsky thinks he is important) and spags neutralizes cook , it’s could be season changing for the Bills. 

Not trusting the players around you will do that