story going around-Bills run D this year is worst in the NFL since 1934 (Cincinnati Reds)

[PauleeeWalnuts]

They were getting torn apart of WFAN this morning, including McD 

[Pete]

28 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It’s NOT the players. Theres not 8 entire groups of players that aren’t good. The odds of that being possible are astounding. The only thing that isn’t changing is the scheme. That is the issue 

^IYO

 

YES two things can be true.

 

Every year in Josh’s career, Beane built a weak WR room.  It’s a fireable offense imo

 

Joe Brady is the biggest issue with the offense.  2/3 of TBD agrees

 

Starting Tre was not the plan, but we had to, and that’s part of the reason.  That’s Not the scheme, but the player.

 

Taylor Rapp was the worse plsyer on the field every game.  He was good last year.  Again, that’s the player, not the scheme

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

People will ignore McDermott's resume with the bills and what he is done.. the top rankings he has put out 

 

And they're going to try to run him out of town and he's going to be like Andy Reid and win a super bowl with his next team 

 

FYI Sean McDermott has the best statistical defense in a super bowl with a losing team.. they absolutely with any competent quarterback play because Cam Newton was lost.. should have easily won the super bowl 

 

Sean McDermott's defense was on a different level

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Pretty sure one of  the greatest coaches in NFL history said it's the jimmies and the Joe's not x's and o's 

 

Yeah the X's and O's mean something.. the players you're trotting out mean way way way way more 

 

Look at McDermott's tenure here he has a resume that if you looked at it blind everybody would praise it 

 

8 years he has like 4 top 5 defenses in points allowed

 

8 defenses in the top 10 takeaways including 5 top 5

 

5 top 10 in yards allowed 

 

2 top 10 rushing defenses , 2 top 10 rushing TDs allowed 

 

5 top 10 passing defenses... Including 2 number 1 and number 2

 

7 top  10 passing TDs allowed including a number 1 and 3 number 2

 

If any coach had they resume in a blind test they would be applauded 

 

Atlanta, San Fran, and Indy all have significantly better performing defenses this year than last year. What do you think the common denominator is?

[HOUSE]

McDermott was late buying the glasses

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Atlanta, San Fran, and Indy all have significantly better performing defenses this year than last year. What do you think the common denominator is?

 you tell me Happy Days? The bills don't have much speed or youth right now playing

 

No NFL coach will make gold from bronze.. people expecting McDermott to field an elite defense with this group of people is insane 

 

He has always maximized talent never minimized it

 

He took castaways like Jordan poyer and turned him into an All-Pro... Fifth round pick Matt Milano All pro 

 

Has gotten tons of players paid.. McDermott can only work with what he has

 

He's not holding back a defense with a lot of blue chippers

 

I also do believe this defense will look a lot better in January than it is right now

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[HappyDays]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Better talent on defense than what the bills have right now? 

 

None of those teams added a boatload of new talent from last year to this year. San Fran if anything is less talented especially with their injury situation. What those teams added was Jeff Ullbrich, Robert Saleh, and Lou Anarumo. Experienced defensive minds with a history of proven results including slowing down top offenses. We instead hired a rookie DC because McDermott only feels comfortable with coaches already in the building. That's why we're stuck in neutral (or maybe reverse).

 

You're just not going to convince anybody that the absolute mess we've watched on defense the past two seasons is solely player driven. Are there roster deficiencies, yep, but that alone doesn't explain away the total breakdown of fundamentals and preparation on a week to week basis.

 

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[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

None of those teams added a boatload of new talent from last year to this year. San Fran if anything is less talented especially with their injury situation. What those teams added was Jeff Ullbrich, Robert Saleh, and Lou Anarumo. Experienced defensive minds with a history of proven results including slowing down top offenses. We instead hired a rookie DC because McDermott only feels comfortable with coaches already in the building. That's why we're stuck in neutral (or maybe reverse).

 

You're just not going to convince anybody that the absolute mess we've watched on defense the past two seasons is solely player driven. Are there roster deficiencies, yep, but that alone doesn't explain away the total breakdown of fundamentals and preparation on a week to week basis.

 

Our defense is absolutely devoid of everything that makes a top NFL defense 

 

We have no speed and we have very little youth

 

We are old and slow.. why do you think we are supposed to be wrecking the NFL? We don't have blue chip talent 

 

We have a bunch of guys who can play in the NFL and Sean McDermott is making the most out of them.. not a bunch of guys who are top ten at their position 

 

Again Sean McDermott has never minimized the talent he's been given he is always maximized everybody.. Christian Benford was a sixth round pick from FCS that he developed into somebody that Brandon Bean just gave like 70 million dollars 

 

Sean McDermott developed an FCS corner into someone our GM paid 70 million dollars.. Brandon Bean is way more at question right now

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

None of those teams added a boatload of new talent from last year to this year. San Fran if anything is less talented especially with their injury situation. What those teams added was Jeff Ullbrich, Robert Saleh, and Lou Anarumo. Experienced defensive minds with a history of proven results including slowing down top offenses. We instead hired a rookie DC because McDermott only feels comfortable with coaches already in the building. That's why we're stuck in neutral (or maybe reverse).

 

You're just not going to convince anybody that the absolute mess we've watched on defense the past two seasons is solely player driven. Are there roster deficiencies, yep, but that alone doesn't explain away the total breakdown of fundamentals and preparation on a week to week basis.

 

 

Yea it is not just player driven. Don't get me wrong there are personnel issues. But the DC is over his head, things that have not been issues in the first seven years of this regime are suddenly issues with this DC. I can count on one hand in the Frazier years the number of snaps where the Bills D was not lined up properly or confused pre snap.  It has happened at least once every single game this year. 

 

And before anyone accuses me of it I am not excusing McDermott. He hired Babich as a rookie DC (a pretty sought after one but a rookie DC all the same) and he is a defensive Head Coach who establishes the basis for this scheme and when it is his reputation and possibly job on the line he has to step in and fix it. 

 

But the defense is woeful at the moment. The first half display in Atlanta was pathetic. It was not NFL worthy. That cannot happen. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea it is not just player driven. Don't get me wrong there are personnel issues. But the DC is over his head, things that have not been issues in the first seven years of this regime are suddenly issues with this DC. I can count on one hand in the Frazier years the number of snaps where the Bills D was not lined up properly or confused pre snap.  It has happened at least once every single game this year. 

 

And before anyone accuses me of it I am not excusing McDermott. He hired Babich as a rookie DC (a pretty sought after one but a rookie DC all the same) and he is a defensive Head Coach who establishes the basis for this scheme and when it is his reputation and possibly job on the line he has to step in and fix it. 

 

But the defense is woeful at the moment. The first half display in Atlanta was pathetic. It was not NFL worthy. That cannot happen. 

Didn’t the team bring in other defensive “experts” this year too?  Seems like they’re trying to install different types of defensive packages mixed in with the traditional McD Defense, and nobody knows where they actually need to be.

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Our defense is absolutely devoid of everything that makes a top NFL defense 

 

25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

why do you think we are supposed to be wrecking the NFL?

 

I don't need a "top NFL defense" that "wrecks the NFL." I just want a defense that executes the basics, comes in prepared for the opponent, and has logical situational play calling. All of that falls on coaching.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

I don't need a "top NFL defense" that "wrecks the NFL." I just want a defense that executes the basics, comes in prepared for the opponent, and has logical situational play calling. All of that falls on coaching.

 

Absolutely not looking great.. yet we are getting back players that are going to help improve this defense 

 

Maxwell hairston is going to bring speed to our secondary that we severely lack and hoecht and ogunjobi are going to stiffen up the front 

 

I'm not saying this is going to be a top five defense by January but it should round into form ... This forum doesn't like rapp or Hamlin so now hopefully we insert some speed and they will grow 

 

This defense is severely lacking speed

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[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

People will ignore McDermott's resume with the bills and what he is done.. the top rankings he has put out 

 

And they're going to try to run him out of town and he's going to be like Andy Reid and win a super bowl with his next team 

 

FYI Sean McDermott has the best statistical defense in a super bowl with a losing team.. they absolutely with any competent quarterback play because Cam Newton was lost.. should have easily won the super bowl 

 

Sean McDermott's defense was on a different level

Yeah, and the chick I went to the prom with was a Hottie……

But that was a long time ago and this is now

[NoName]

6 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This defense has never been good at stopping the run, are there exceptions to prove the rule? When isn’t there…, 

 

The defensive scheme since day one of this regime has been one of soft coverages, and a mediocre D-line, stocked with retreads, and under sized draft picks, ( Walker, the exception to prove the rule) 

 

To say frustrating is a massive understatement,

 

Always hoping for the best,  

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

So how was this D number 1 overall a few years ago?

[LABILLBACKER]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Our defense is absolutely devoid of everything that makes a top NFL defense 

 

We have no speed and we have very little youth

 

We are old and slow.. why do you think we are supposed to be wrecking the NFL? We don't have blue chip talent 

 

We have a bunch of guys who can play in the NFL and Sean McDermott is making the most out of them.. not a bunch of guys who are top ten at their position 

 

Again Sean McDermott has never minimized the talent he's been given he is always maximized everybody.. Christian Benford was a sixth round pick from FCS that he developed into somebody that Brandon Bean just gave like 70 million dollars 

 

Sean McDermott developed an FCS corner into someone our GM paid 70 million dollars.. Brandon Bean is way more at question right now

Im sorry but this tired narrative that Sean has little or no responsibility in the selection of these defensive players is absurd.  If Beane is so terrible in acquiring "blue chip talent", than you have to ask yourself who made the conscious decision to bring him to Buffalo?  Sean McDermott hand picked BB to be his GM. 

 

Their philosophy together has always been consistent.  They even termed it "the process".  These guys are a package deal.  They always have and always will be. The odds of Beane being fired and Sean surviving just seem very long to me. They're both so equally to blame.

[NoSaint]

Im not saying our defense is good. In fact I’ve been shredding this team… but 

 

Lamar/henry

achane

Kamara

bijan
 

then the jets/pats aren’t slouches with decent backs and mobile QBs. 
 

the problem being several of those teams don’t rank well in rushing as they are usually playing out of negative scripts and are forced to pass. 
 

instead we invited them all to run on us all game long by letting them hang. Targeting our weakest link with their strongest assets. 
 

it’s just not complimentary football to limit drives and shorten the games with this roster. We need to win 38-27 and have a bad scoring defense that can create a turnover or stop by harassing the passer one dimensionally 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Im sorry but this tired narrative that Sean has little or no responsibility in the selection of these defensive players is absurd.  If Beane is so terrible in acquiring "blue chip talent", than you have to ask yourself who made the conscious decision to bring him to Buffalo?  Sean McDermott hand picked BB to be his GM. 

 

Their philosophy together has always been consistent.  They even termed it "the process".  These guys are a package deal.  They always have and always will be. The odds of Beane being fired and Sean surviving just seem very long to me. They're both so equally to blame.

You think they're a package deal because they get along in front of the camera 

 

Sean McDermott would absolutely say get rid of beane to save himself another year or two .. beane is competent but has been lacking recently

 

And if you had to make me pick Brandon Bean or Sean McDermott.. it's Sean McDermott 

 

McDermott had a hand in our first draft which gave us plenty of studs that beane was not a part of.. Bean did not sign poyer and hyde that was McDermott and his pro-personnel department

 

McDermott's first draft brought in Dion Dawkins and Tre white and Matt Milano

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[NoSaint]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Absolutely not looking great.. yet we are getting back players that are going to help improve this defense 

 

Maxwell hairston is going to bring speed to our secondary that we severely lack and hoecht and ogunjobi are going to stiffen up the front 

 

I'm not saying this is going to be a top five defense by January but it should round into form ... This forum doesn't like rapp or Hamlin so now hopefully we insert some speed and they will grow 

 

This defense is severely lacking speed

Poyer will really bring the flash 

[hondo in seattle]

My take is similar to @SCBills.    

My guess is that years ago Beane and McD agreed the NFL was a passing league.  And they're not wrong: about 2/3rds of the yards gained in the NFL come through the air. 

 

They also decided that it's impossible, under the salary cap, to be good at every position group and every facet of the game.  So they logically focused on pass offense and pass offense.   

 

This philosophy dictated who Beane drafted (e.g. Josh) and who he signed to big FA contracts (e.g. Diggs, Von).  Beane has a preference for rangy LBs who can cover, DEs who are sack artists, OL who are better at passpro than road-graders who can push a DL back, and so on.  Until Cook opened some eyes and proved his worth, I think Beane would have been happy using cheap RBs on first contracts.  

 

This think-pass-first philosophy certainly dictated McD's defensive behavior as well.  He runs the nickel more than anyone in the NFL.  But on offense, he's a little torn.  He likes the chunk plays a passing offense delivers, but he dislikes turnovers.  So he's settled on balance, rather than committing primarily to the pass, to help keep defenses guessing and TOs low.     

 

But there are a number of problems cropping up.  Some teams are complementing their offense with a power running attack that we're not equipped to stop.  On offense, our OC is not a passing game whiz.  To make matters worse, many of Beane's draft picks and FA acquisitions - on both O and D - haven't panned out which means we're not elite at the two areas we should be philosophically: Pass O and Pass D.  Injuries and suspensions haven't helped either.

 

Not only is the think-pass-first philosophy somewhat problematic, its execution has been flawed.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Yeah? Well… everyone knows the ball travels faster through the air versus on the ground, so…