Joe Marino's 9 point plan for improvement

[Puckman5]

7 hours ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Because Mcdermott and Beane are nice guys who help old ladies cross the street.

No old lady I know would consider taking help from either of them after seeing this defense.  You need a sound strategy to cross a road safely.  

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Replace Rapp with Poyer? man things are bad.

How about trade for a S and bench Rapp. Cole has the range and poor tackling ability that better fits a deep FS.

No safety should have as poor of tackling ability as Bishop has shown in his short NFL career.  Neither Bishop or Rapp should be playing.  They stink..  

 

I agree a trade for a safety if someone decent were available would be nice.  And we do have Jordan Hancock drafted in the 5th round.  Give the kid a chance.  He is better with far more upside than what we have seen on the field so far this season.  Maybe playing with Poyer, he will learn a lot quickly too.

 

And btw your user name cracks me up.  I had one of his baseball cards as a little kid in around 1971.  

[jlatas]

16 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

No safety should have as poor of tackling ability as Bishop has shown in his short NFL career.  Neither Bishop or Rapp should be playing.  They stink..  

 

 

I'll never understand why Cole Bishop simply didnt just shove Bijan Robinson out of bounds on his long run...that tackle would have been tough for most defensive backs!

[nosejob]

I don't know where things stand today, but I'm going after Woolen and Dugger. WR is what ya make it and if you're getting blitzed to death and don't have time for someone to get open, I don't care who you have. I hope they start using the backs more to punish for blitzing and loading the box. Play man if ya want and send pressure but looky ,looky there goes Cooky....or ty...or davis.

 

BTW, I got a bad feeling about our 1st rd. pick. I'll take the under on 3 weeks active. Oft hurt Erkel?

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

Agreed.

 

I don't think the issue with Coleman is that he is getting too many targets -- it is the KIND of targets he is getting.

 

I really do believe that he is best utilized in the bubble and slant game, where he can best utilize his basketball box-out skills and physicality rather than expecting him to win downfield battles, when creating separation isn't a gift of his. If Brady can get get him involved in these situations early in a game, I also think it would help with his confidence, which I believe has been hindered the last couple of games. Maybe getting him involved in a thoughtful, creative manner COULD eventually help him elevate his route running and better develop nuances to ultimately create separation on intermediate and deeper routes?

 

Remember a few seasons back, that ONE game against Tampa when Gabe Davis was used in the way you suggest for Coleman now (slants, screens, etc.)? Davis had 9 for 87 and a TD. THAT's exactly how we should be using Coleman, no doubt. 

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I usually scoff when journalists pretend to know more than coaches.  

But I agree with most of this.

Marino is not a journalist.  He is more of a podcaster. 

[GunnerBill]

20 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You should checkout Joes' podcast it always a great listen and very informative.

 

9 points in concise fashion

1. Get back to mismatches as our big people are our strength on offense. 11-12-22 formations etc. and throw from it more as well.

2. Use Keon Coleman less, he has the most snaps and targets of any receiver.

3. Use Kincaid and Palmer more.

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

5. Get Larry O and Hoecht up to speed and reduce the DL snaps by rookies and practice squad guys. Easy one.

6. Shaq Thompson is our best LB and needs to be treated as such. Try Bernard some at WLB.

7. Get Hairston going soon. Mentions ramping up and platooning and having ready by late season and playoffs.

8. Replace Taylor Rapp with Poyer. Not optimal, but addition by subtraction. 

9. Workout a trade for WR who can stretch and cause some fear, mentions Olave and Shaheed (PR too).

 

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

 

There is nothing here that I disagree with. But even if they can get Hairston going and Poyer can provide some vet know how they still need Benford to round into form and Bishop to play better. The secondary has been trash so far. 

[Coach Tuesday]

13 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I’m not sure if it’s an issue of not having the right receivers or the offensive philosophy but the Bills seem content in just getting a new set of downs. And that’s not more apparent than on 2nd and short situations this season. The Bills have had 35 2nd and 4 or less this season. They’ve run the ball 27 times getting a new set of downs on a little more than half of them. They average 6.1 yards per play on those runs. The 8 times they’ve thrown? 100% success rate, with 10.9 yards per play. 
 

To me, there’s just not a lot of chunk plays when the opportunity is there to attempt them. Is that we don’t have the horses to do them? Or we want to play conservative ball? Or both? 

They have built an offense which prioritizes protecting their defense over scoring points.  The entire architecture of the football operation at OBD is designed around protecting and supporting Sean’s flailing defense.  It’s borderline insane.

[SectionC3]

19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t understand why people are afraid of that. Look how bad we have been on the backend. What’s the worst that can happen? You try him in practice…if he sucks then cut him. He’s on the team. You owe it to yourself to see if he can be of use. He can’t play corner. See if he can be used before you dump him. It’s a low steaks thing. There is zero downside 

I agree there are no steaks involved in that area.  Which is a shame, because I like steaks and meat is very expensive right now.  I can always go for a good steak. 

 

Also, White is a slight, somewhat wiling but ultimately marginal tackler.  And tackling is the biggest issue with the safeties (particularly Rapp) right now.  

27 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They have built an offense which prioritizes protecting their defense over scoring points.  The entire architecture of the football operation at OBD is designed around protecting and supporting Sean’s flailing defense.  It’s borderline insane.

Yeah I'm with you.  The offense moves too slowly and the vibe is reminiscent of what happened before Dorsey was canned.  Run more freaking plays with the MVP at the helm is my big complaint with these guys.  Get to the line faster to allow Josh (and Brady) to diagnose pre-snap.  And let the defense get back to doing what it was doing, which is giving up some yards, trying to win in the redzone, and winning the game with a couple stops and a turnover or two.  

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is nothing here that I disagree with. But even if they can get Hairston going and Poyer can provide some vet know how they still need Benford to round into form and Bishop to play better. The secondary has been trash so far. 

They need a backside safety to make a tackle now and again.  It's maddening. 

11 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

No safety should have as poor of tackling ability as Bishop has shown in his short NFL career.  Neither Bishop or Rapp should be playing.  They stink..  

 

I agree a trade for a safety if someone decent were available would be nice.  And we do have Jordan Hancock drafted in the 5th round.  Give the kid a chance.  He is better with far more upside than what we have seen on the field so far this season.  Maybe playing with Poyer, he will learn a lot quickly too.

 

And btw your user name cracks me up.  I had one of his baseball cards as a little kid in around 1971.  

They know, and they have been working on it.  Trust me on that.  I just don't know if it's going to happen.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is nothing here that I disagree with. But even if they can get Hairston going and Poyer can provide some vet know how they still need Benford to round into form and Bishop to play better. The secondary has been trash so far. 

The only thing I thought of that Marino left out was replacing Babich as the in game play caller. I remain unconvinced he is not out over his skis too far as DC right now.

[Kirby Jackson]

42 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They have built an offense which prioritizes protecting their defense over scoring points.  The entire architecture of the football operation at OBD is designed around protecting and supporting Sean’s flailing defense.  It’s borderline insane.

Really well said!! That’s perfectly articulated. The irony is that if they stacked points and limited a team’s ability to run, the defense would be better (not good but better). Instead they try to limit the number of possesssions in a game and the defense’s time on the field. Every game is close for that reason.

Edited 8 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

56 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They have built an offense which prioritizes protecting their defense over scoring points.  The entire architecture of the football operation at OBD is designed around protecting and supporting Sean’s flailing defense.  It’s borderline insane.

When I listen to McD talk about the offense, I many times feel like his view of offense is, they need to score one more point than the defense. If the D gives up 40 we need to score 41. That's complimentary football to him.

Edited 8 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Wayne Cubed]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They have built an offense which prioritizes protecting their defense over scoring points.  The entire architecture of the football operation at OBD is designed around protecting and supporting Sean’s flailing defense.  It’s borderline insane.

Imagine having Josh Allen as your QB and playing keep away ball, limiting the numer of chunk plays and just playing to score 1 more point than your opponent. I don't even think it's borderline insane, it's just insane.

[Dillenger4]

11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Remember a few seasons back, that ONE game against Tampa when Gabe Davis was used in the way you suggest for Coleman now (slants, screens, etc.)? Davis had 9 for 87 and a TD. THAT's exactly how we should be using Coleman, no doubt. 

I sure do. And guess what - we have him on our roster and he is getting healthy.

I wonder if we see him play soon.

[SectionC3]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Really well said!! That’s perfectly articulated. The irony is that if they stacked points and limited a team’s ability to run, the defense would be better (not good but better). Instead they try to limit the number of possesssions in a game and the defense’s time on the field. Every game is close for that reason.

This.  We built this D to try to rush the passer and generate enough rezone wins, stops, and turnovers to win games.  By that I mean three stops/turnovers, and three wins in the redzone.  We're built to hold teams to 23.  But now we're getting absolutely run over, which is disheartening.  So you have the right idea.  Let's open it up and score some points.  

3 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

I sure do. And guess what - we have him on our roster and he is getting healthy.

I wonder if we see him play soon.

Oh yeah.  I don't think Josh trusts these guys outside of Shakir.  Coleman offers absolutely nothing right now. It's just a question of whether Shavers or Moore gets canned. 

[KentuckyBillsFan]

 

You can probably tell where we're at in the McDermott cycle

[warrior9]

I truly don't understand why we leave Coleman just sitting out wide and allow him to get pressed. He is a monster and a great athlete. I can not remember (if it's ever happened) the last time we snapped the ball while he was in motion. Why not use him in the slot? Why not pick him open? We literally just sit and run slants and go's to him. We have to be creative because he is fantastic with the ball in his hands after catch. 

[BuffaloMatt]

Damn . . . I was just about done with fashioning my noose, but this may make more sense. Hmmmm . . . If I got it right, Bills need to use better players, use different players, call different plays and hope to trade for somone who can stretch the field because that has worked in the past. Nope, back to the noose!

[Blackbeard]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Imagine having Josh Allen as your QB and playing keep away ball, limiting the numer of chunk plays and just playing to score 1 more point than your opponent. I don't even think it's borderline insane, it's just insane.

I think there is a lot of merit to not just using up the playbook this early.

The Chiefs employ this same philosophy most of the time.  

[Pete]

8 hours ago, ganesh said:

Marino is not a journalist.  He is more of a podcaster. 

He puts out better output than any “journalist” and it’s not even close.

 

is your definition of a journalist is someone who works for a corporation?